Posted on 07/26/2005 2:08:42 PM PDT by BenLurkin
It's pretty strange for a guy of 22 to want to be hanging around 13 years olds. Shouldn't he be in college, hanging out with his buddies at bars and drinking? What do they talk about? The new Raven Simone video on Disney channel or the latest Lizzie Mcguire episode?
Anyway I'm sure the guy has many other disturbing problems all involved will have to deal with for many years to come. The girl's family definately has mental issues. I'm sure they knew she was hanging around with men and this man. Getting knocked up young and going on welfare is a rite of passage in many backward communities. They actually look forward to it. It's no big deal to them, at least they can benefit from the welfare checks to help pay the household bills, cigarettes or alcohol.
Latourneau did marry the 13 year old boy, but only after she went to jail for 6 years or something like that.
Nice try dumdum.
Who said anything about rape? We're talking about underage sex which is still illegal. Consent is not an issue.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
Very interesting discussion on the thread. One side says "lock him up and throw away the key" and the other side says "people used to marry at those ages; the deed is done and let them live their lives".
Here's my take on it:
People did indeed marry at young ages in the not so recent past, and often such marriages were just as solid, if not more so, than marriages today. Many young people do benefit from an early marriage (of course, 13 is the outer fringe edge of young), but today actual maturity is put off later and later. For instance, young people are expected to spend 4 years at a university partying, drinking, being promiscuous and irresponsible as though that is their birthright. A very few generations ago, kids were expected to be mature and responsible by the mid teens.
Theoretically, I see nothing wrong with young teenage girls getting married - IF - (a big, big IF) the man they are marrying is responsible, the parents are responsible people and vet the husband, and there is a solid foundation of respect and mature behavior. AND no drug use. If young teenage girls are going to practice fornication, it certainly would be better for them and society if they waited, found a responsible man and got married.
In this case, it sounds like a lose-lose situation, but not knowing all the facts it might be better than it sounds. If there is no drug use involved, and the "happy couple" actually care about each other and are prepared to make a life long commitment, marriage is certainly better than one man in jail and a very young single mother on welfare.
I hope they don't put him away. At least he's trying to do the right thing at this point.
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That's pretty much my take on all of this, but you said it so much better. I do believe there is room for redemption here if the people involved are willing to take the responsibility in this.
Justice requires consistency in the law.
I agree. The 18-year-olds shouldn't be having sex with their 16-year-old girlfriends, but there HAS to be a better alternative than jail & the "sex offender" label. Our society practically dares the kids to "do it" out of wedlock & than it punishes them for giving in.
This is the same system that "rapes" men in divorce/custody cases. Something is wrong with this picture.
And yes this can be blamed completely on the left.
Actually I don't see this being blamed on the left. The blame is firmly on cheap politicians who want to score points with the local busybodies.
Situations of this kind should entirely up to the judgment of the respective families. The only time the law should be involved is when the father refuses to do the right thing, whatever that may be. Otherwise the busybodies and the law have no business being involved.
When self serving cheap politicians become involved the children are the ones who end up paying the price.
That is an absolute lower limit on this arranged marriage (although six is better), which was chaste until the consumation. Back then, puberty was the cultural point at which a woman could marry, even in Judaism. They married sooner for political reasons, but did not consumate until she had reached the puberty. Puberty is also the legal age of responsibility in Islam.
Personally, I think it's sick. But that's what they did back then, and the acceptable age has been steadily going up. Several hundred yars ago in Christian Europe, most women married before they were out of their teens, and a 20+ year-old woman was considered an old maid.
No, it's always been six. Read your Hadith.
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A 20+ yr old guy got a 13 yr old girl pregnant. Child rape. Hang him!
If a reasonably nice guy comes around, I'll pop the question myself. I want my girls to get married, I don't want them to waste any time with all the guys who will never love them. So far, I've got three lovely girls and four rambunctious boys. It may not be easy, but we'll see how it goes. My strategy will not be "rules" based, it will be provocative. I'll lay the objective right out on the table, there will be no deception. Many punks may be scared off (I'm a 6'2 250 judoka) but if my daughters are even half as hot as their mom (they're trending that way), it won't take long to find keepers.
Congrats on your new grandchild! I'm looking forward to that (part of the provocation)!
Ditto that. Sometimes it's best to let things go.
Girl, 14, tells of sex abuseJust askin ...
Waco Leader/July 21, 1995
By Hugh Davies in WashingtonA FOURTEEN-YEAR OLD girl has helped to demolish the myth that the dead Branch Davidian cult leader David Koresh was a martyr destroyed by a ruthless FBI operation at Waco, Texas, in April 1995.
In evidence to Congress, which is investigating the episode, Kiri Jewel described how the self-proclaimed messiah used the sect as a cover for rape.
Koresh has become a legend in some quarters of America among people who are anxious to portray his death as a government conspiracy. His burnt-out compound, where he apparently shot himself, is a mecca for militias and other groups.
I think you misunderstood, as a father of a 13 year old daughter it would be my mission in life to see that guy did hard time for doing that to my or any other little girl. To reward him for what he did by allowing him to marry that girl is ludicrous, he should marry his 400 lb cell mate while his face is being shoved into a pillow, the hard way.
The thing is, if she was pregnant before they got married, and they were residents of Nebraska, then a crime was committed in Nebraska, and they have jurisdiction over the case. Getting married afterward will not "undo" the crime of having sex with an underage child.
I've got very mixed feelings about this too. The thought of having sex with a 13 year old girl is something that makes me go "Ewwwwwww," but then, I'm 43. This guy was 21, and I've done some work in junior high schools, and the girls running around there look nothing like the girls that were in Jr High when I was in school.
Still, 13 and 21 is a huge age difference, but then my best friend and his wife begain dating when she was 15 and he was 22. Thank goodness that her parents liked him even more than her, otherwise he could have spent some time in jail! That's still the case today, and they've been divorced for 15 years! lol
This is a tough one, and married or not, he could very well be convicted.
Mark
That was then, this is now... Remember, we've got a "living, breathing Constitution." Which means knowing that the Constitution is going to mean at any given moment has the consistancy of reading chicken entrails!
Mark
I think the Mohammedan calendar is shorter than ours.
I see you are still beating that dead horse, _Jim.
Those allegations have been proven false, yet you continue to post lies about Koresh in your zeal to defend the FBI and BATF incinerating the men, women and children at Mount Carmel.
Robert Healy, writing in the Boston Globe, alludes to a point that should have been cleared up long ago. He mentions "the Davidian child" who testified at the congressional hearings that David Koresh molested her when she was 10 years old.
He is obviously referring to a girl named Kiri Jewell, whose testimony was shown by the London Telegraph to be false. According to an article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, published on July 23, 1995:
"A few telephone calls would have told them that Kiri had not been a resident in the compound - despite press reports to the contrary. She was living with her mother and grandmother in California for most of the years in question.
Her father, David Jewell, has been promoting her allegations on the TV talk show circuit.
"He is a man of questionable character. He abandoned Kiri in Jamaica when she was an infant, has had a series of unstable marriages, and was arrested in 1988 for failure to pay child support."
It is ridiculous and disgraceful for the mainstream press to keep using this story without bothering to check it out.
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