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Salty dogma: Bono gives an explicit confession of being saved by Grace, not Karma
WORLD ^ | August 6, 2005 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 07/29/2005 5:11:57 AM PDT by rhema

Is Bono, the lead singer and songwriter for the rock group U2, a Christian? He says he is and writes about Christianity in his lyrics. Yet many people question whether Bono is "really" a Christian, due to his notoriously bad language, liberal politics, and rock star antics (though he has been faithfully married for 23 years). But in a new book of interviews, Bono in Conversation by Michka Assayas, Bono, though using some salty language, makes an explicit confession of faith.

The interviewer, Mr. Assayas, begins by asking Bono, Doesn't he think "appalling things" happen when people become religious? Bono counters, "It's a mind-blowing concept that the God who created the Universe might be looking for company, a real relationship with people, but the thing that keeps me on my knees is the difference between Grace and Karma."

The interviewer asks, What's that? "At the center of all religions is the idea of Karma. You know, what you put out comes back to you: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, or in physics—in physical laws—every action is met by an equal or an opposite one," explains Bono. "And yet, along comes this idea called Grace to upend all that. . . . Love interrupts, if you like, the consequences of your actions, which in my case is very good news indeed, because I've done a lot of stupid stuff."

The interviewer asks, Like what? "That's between me and God. But I'd be in big trouble if Karma was going to finally be my judge," says Bono. "It doesn't excuse my mistakes, but I'm holding out for Grace. I'm holding out that Jesus took my sins onto the Cross, because I know who I am, and I hope I don't have to depend on my own religiosity."

Then the interviewer marvels, "The Son of God who takes away the sins of the world. I wish I could believe in that."

"The point of the death of Christ is that Christ took on the sins of the world, so that what we put out did not come back to us, and that our sinful nature does not reap the obvious death," replies Bono. "It's not our own good works that get us through the gates of Heaven."

The interviewer marvels some more: "That's a great idea, no denying it. Such great hope is wonderful, even though it's close to lunacy, in my view. Christ has His rank among the world's great thinkers. But Son of God, isn't that farfetched?"

Bono comes back, "Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: He was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius. But actually Christ doesn't allow you that. He doesn't let you off that hook. Christ says, No. I'm not saying I'm a teacher, don't call me teacher. I'm not saying I'm a prophet. I'm saying: 'I'm the Messiah.' I'm saying: 'I am God incarnate.' . . . So what you're left with is either Christ was who He said He was—the Messiah—or a complete nutcase. . . . The idea that the entire course of civilization for over half of the globe could have its fate changed and turned upside-down by a nutcase, for me that's farfetched."

What is most interesting in this exchange is the reaction of the interviewer, to whom Bono is, in effect, witnessing. This hip rock journalist starts by scorning what he thinks is Christianity. But it is as if he had never heard of grace, the atonement, the deity of Christ, the gospel. And he probably hadn't. But when he hears what Christianity is actually all about, he is amazed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bono; bornagain; christians; music; u2; witnessing
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1 posted on 07/29/2005 5:11:58 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Wow!

Bono seems to have done his homework.

There might be hope for this guy yet!
2 posted on 07/29/2005 5:14:58 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: rhema

To many of us in the Christian faith community, this is not new news about Bono.


3 posted on 07/29/2005 5:15:27 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: rhema

I like the "Grace vs Karma" line. I'm going to use that.


4 posted on 07/29/2005 5:21:22 AM PDT by keats5
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To: dagoofyfoot
You know say what you want about Bono. They way this is written it is a very good confession of Faith. This is thought out.
5 posted on 07/29/2005 5:22:57 AM PDT by citadel84 (Reformed Rocket Scientist)
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To: dagoofyfoot

What Bono said was a very condensed version of what C. S. Lewis wrote in his book, "Mere Christianity".


6 posted on 07/29/2005 5:24:30 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: rhema

The Good News!


7 posted on 07/29/2005 5:25:18 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's code and found a terrorist message.)
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To: rhema

Nice


8 posted on 07/29/2005 5:28:19 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: rhema

BUMP


9 posted on 07/29/2005 5:28:50 AM PDT by bubman
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To: rhema
So what you're left with is either Christ was who He said He was—the Messiah—or a complete nutcase. . . .

That's actually very well stated.

10 posted on 07/29/2005 5:29:35 AM PDT by Dolphan (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Nightshift

ping


11 posted on 07/29/2005 5:30:58 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: rhema

"I'm holding out that Jesus took my sins onto the Cross, because I know who I am, and I hope I don't have to depend on my own religiosity."

bttt


12 posted on 07/29/2005 5:32:26 AM PDT by Liberty Valance ( Howdy!)
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To: rhema
Bono comes back, "Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: He was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius. But actually Christ doesn't allow you that. He doesn't let you off that hook. Christ says, No. I'm not saying I'm a teacher, don't call me teacher. I'm not saying I'm a prophet. I'm saying: 'I'm the Messiah.' I'm saying: 'I am God incarnate.' . . . So what you're left with is either Christ was who He said He was—the Messiah—or a complete nutcase. . .

Exactly. Jesus was a liar, lunatic or Lord. None of this "great moral teacher" crap.

13 posted on 07/29/2005 5:33:10 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I enjoyed reading this. BTW, on my bookshelf I have a very special place for Mr. Lewis. He helped me clear a lot of junk out of my closet. IMO it is second only to the bible.


14 posted on 07/29/2005 5:34:25 AM PDT by Paulus
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To: rhema

How many posts will it take before the self-righteous start bashing?

Bono has it just about right.


15 posted on 07/29/2005 5:35:22 AM PDT by norge
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To: rhema

I must confess...I was looking for this to be a joke or exaggeration.


16 posted on 07/29/2005 5:35:32 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: dagoofyfoot
Sounds like it was a lot more than homework. Sounds to me like he experienced God's forgiveness in a way he can neither deny or forget. He found, recognized, and acknowledges the Truth.

Only God can make that happen.

17 posted on 07/29/2005 5:38:07 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: rhema

Bono's obviously read CS Lewis's Mere Christianity. His defense of the divinity of Christ is almost word-for-word from the book.


18 posted on 07/29/2005 5:41:17 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: 17th Miss Regt
What Bono said was a very condensed version of what C. S. Lewis wrote in his book, "Mere Christianity".

I was gonna say just that. Bono's been reading C.S. Lewis.

19 posted on 07/29/2005 5:41:27 AM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: keats5

Then you would love a certain presentation by Frank Peretti. He about spits when he talks about karma. The name of the presentation escapes me, I'll have to find it.


20 posted on 07/29/2005 5:41:57 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Ladysmith
Sounds to me like he experienced God's forgiveness in a way he can neither deny or forget.

sounds like that to me, too.....i love this line:

"That's between me and God. But I'd be in big trouble if Karma was going to finally be my judge,"

21 posted on 07/29/2005 5:42:13 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: rhema

I met a biker once, a rowdy, tattooed, foul-mouthed biker, who had the most powerful saved-by-grace testimony you've ever heard. Sometimes people get so distracted by the profanity that they can't hear the message. I think swearing must be like smoking -- when it's been a lifelong habit, it's hard to break.


22 posted on 07/29/2005 5:42:19 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: rhema
Yet many people question whether Bono is "really" a Christian, due to his notoriously bad language, liberal politics, and rock star antics

"My former pastor put it this way: Who are we to tell God in what order He must fix the problems in someone else's life?" In my own life, God took away my near-murderous rage before He dealt with my own rather salty tongue. Come to think of it, He's *still* dealing with my salty tongue. Bottom line, though, is that His priorities are correct.

Good on you, Bono.

23 posted on 07/29/2005 5:44:07 AM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: rhema
Bonos politics and language have always disappointed me greatly, but I have to hand it to him here and count him as a brother. God bless him.
Always liked the music.
24 posted on 07/29/2005 5:46:12 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: rhema
Bono: "Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: He was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius.

But actually Christ doesn't allow you that. He doesn't let you off that hook. Christ says, No. I'm not saying I'm a teacher, don't call me teacher. I'm not saying I'm a prophet. I'm saying: 'I'm the Messiah.' I'm saying: 'I am God incarnate.' . . . So what you're left with is either Christ was who He said He was—the Messiah—or a complete nutcase. . . .

George W Bush: “Jesus is my favorite philosopher”

25 posted on 07/29/2005 5:46:20 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Ladysmith
He found, recognized, and acknowledges the Truth


"For my Father, in heaven has revealed this to you"

Jesus Christ

26 posted on 07/29/2005 5:47:29 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: shezza
#22..Well said.

The Holy Spirit will work within the individual to alter..the after effects of their previous life ....before Christ.

It's not up to us to do this....

..Christians are called to gently guide a new believer, but not condemn....

..they can exhort, but in a loving, guiding way....

27 posted on 07/29/2005 5:49:10 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: rhema
When I was living in Lincoln NE, Bono showed up one day and did a sermon at a local church.

From what I heard, it was pretty theologically orthodox. I might not agree with all of his politics, but Bono is a brother in the Lord.
28 posted on 07/29/2005 5:51:24 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: dagoofyfoot

:o)


29 posted on 07/29/2005 5:51:28 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: rhema

"The interviewer marvels some more: "That's a great idea, no denying it. Such great hope is wonderful, even though it's close to lunacy, in my view. Christ has His rank among the world's great thinkers. But Son of God, isn't that farfetched?"

The interviewer; Societies typical secular pinko biased PESSIMIST. tear down everything, debunk anything good and positive, condescending, pseudo intellect, negative monger, whiner, party pooper, problem maker, solution avoidance, anarchist, chaos advocate, antagonist. Basically the walking dead feeding off the living.


30 posted on 07/29/2005 5:51:39 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Bosco

Correct. And I know several Christians who swear, including myself. ;)


31 posted on 07/29/2005 5:52:17 AM PDT by rintense
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To: dd5339

There's hope yet for the world...Bono gets it right! Read it.


32 posted on 07/29/2005 5:52:40 AM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: ZinGirl

It's so refreshing to hear from others, isn't it?


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To: Vic3O3
Yes he does, and it illustrates a very interesting thing.

Bono's politics have placed him at times with the "left", but he is a Christian. We may not see eye to eye on every issue, but on the big ones he is pretty socially conservative.
35 posted on 07/29/2005 5:54:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: shezza
I think swearing must be like smoking -- when it's been a lifelong habit, it's hard to break.

Speaking from experience, I can tell you there's alot that doesn't go away unless your passion's been neutered.

36 posted on 07/29/2005 5:54:52 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: rhema
A good book for people trying to discover their spirituality:

I read it along with CS Lewis "Mere Christianity" and "Screwtape Letters" and it made me see things in a whole new way...

37 posted on 07/29/2005 5:55:03 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: dagoofyfoot

Yes indeed. I've known many lifelong Christians who could not have articulated their own beliefs/salvation any better.


38 posted on 07/29/2005 5:55:25 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: redgolum; All

Does anyone know how long Bono has been a Christian?


39 posted on 07/29/2005 5:56:00 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: RepublicanMensan

"Bono's obviously read CS Lewis's Mere Christianity. His defense of the divinity of Christ is almost word-for-word from the book."

More proof they're unable to have an original thought.

Should Christ be flattered by Bonehead? I'm sure Christ is looking for sincerity not useful idiots.


40 posted on 07/29/2005 5:56:03 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: rhema

Thanks for posting.


41 posted on 07/29/2005 5:56:19 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Guenevere

Bono is anything but a new believer.


42 posted on 07/29/2005 5:56:40 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: shezza

"I think swearing must be like smoking -- when it's been a lifelong habit, it's hard to break."

Yep. Mostly when I'm seething mad.


43 posted on 07/29/2005 5:58:22 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: rhema
3 of the 4 band members converted in the early 80's (was it the drummer who was the holdout??). Regardless, their faith has been ever present in their work, subtly and overtly. Bono is a gifted poet. Unfortunately his political antics overshadow that fact.
44 posted on 07/29/2005 5:59:17 AM PDT by Lil'freeper ("If you want to get happy, birthday cake is the way to go." -- Stephanie Plum)
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To: rhema

bttt


45 posted on 07/29/2005 5:59:26 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: rhema

He was an Irish Catholic before fame smacked him in the head...


46 posted on 07/29/2005 5:59:32 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: SunnySide
I'm sure Christ is looking for sincerity not useful idiots.


"And God gave his only begotten son so that no man should perish, but that all should have everlasting life"


Grace, my good man, Grace!
47 posted on 07/29/2005 6:00:53 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: rhema

Wow!


48 posted on 07/29/2005 6:04:35 AM PDT by hope ( For this is the will of God, by well-doing you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish men)
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To: dagoofyfoot

"And God gave his only begotten son so that no man should perish, but that all should have everlasting life"


"Grace, my good man, Grace!"


You think Hitler and the ruthless Nazi concentration camp doctor Dr. Josef Mengele got ever lasting life?


49 posted on 07/29/2005 6:07:23 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: shezza

The only language I detest and won't tolerate either from myself or from others is the taking of the Lord's name in vain. As for the "salty" language others have mentioned, I figure that Jesus made disciples of working men - fishermen, especially - and I can't imagine that there wasn't an occasional cuss word among them.

As to the comments about how Bono has drawn directly from C.S. Lewis, well, the great thing about Lewis' work is that he has made great truths simple, understandable and able to be passed on to others who may or may not have extensive intellect. When I've used these same explanations, I make it a point to ask if the person I'm talking to likes to read. If they do I refer them to "Mere Christianity"; if not, I just share the ideas. I'm sure Lewis doesn't care whether he's given credit - and, yes, I know he's passed on, but he's part of the "communion of saints", and present tense is perfectly appropriate.


50 posted on 07/29/2005 6:09:22 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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