[PatrickHenry]

I know we've had a lot of threads on this issue lately, but this is from the teachers, who have a special stake in the matter.

[PatrickHenry]

EvolutionPing

A pro-evolution science list with over 290 names. See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

[Amelia]

What do we expect from someone who can't even pronounce "nuclear" correctly?

[bobdsmith]

Yet another article that wrongly claims President Bush advocates teaching Intelligent Design in science classes.

President Bush simply said contrasting ideas should be taught in schools, not that Intelligent Design should be taught in the science class. The only people who want to misinterpret what he said are liberals and creationists for their own agendas.

[Clintonfatigued]

What's notable is that this union is the less militant of the teachers' unions. The National Education Association (NEA) is more out there than the AFT.

[balrog666]

President Bush’s misinformed comments on "intelligent design" signal a huge step backward for science education in the United States.

You're damn right. The more the ignorant yahoos of religious fundamentalism are emboldened to push their mythology on the rest of us, the worse off we will all be.

[k2blader]

Ah, yes, "the teachers". Such a credible source on this issue..

[ml1954]

Bush stepped in a pile and he needs to clean his shoes off.

[microgood]

The president’s endorsement of such a discredited, nonscientific view is akin to suggesting that students be taught the "alternative theory" that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.

Not even close.

We know for a fact that the earth is not flat and that the sun revolves around the earth.

On the other hand, we do not know with any kind of certainty whether we got from a single celled organisms to our current state via mutation and natural selection.

These are completely different levels of evidence. One is proven in the current time frame and the other is based on limited fossil records and the past and the notion that since we have similar genes with other animals we have a common ancestor(logical fallacy).

One can certainly believe the former without buying into the latter.

[Skooz]

Hilarious.

You'd think these bozos would be interested in teaching kids math and how to read. But, they have time for this nonsense.

I wonder how many algebra lesson plans could have been completed in the time it took to compose this self-serving press release.

[Pittsburg Phil]

More propaganda from the leftwing, godless teachers' union. Those dummies would know design if it bit 'em on their fat butts.

[Jim_Curtis]

akin to suggesting that students be taught the "alternative theory" that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.

The sun does revolve around the earth. I watch it happen from my fixed position on earth every day.

[elkfersupper]

Dang! It's been a rough few weeks for me. First I find myself agreeing with the ACLU, now the AFT.

Oh well, I'm not alone. Bradley Ralko joined the ACLU.

[Hank Rearden]

Fundies using "intelligent design" instead of "creationism" is exactly like the lefties using "choice" instead of "abortion".

It's sleazy and deceptive.

If plastic-haired snakefondlers want to promote their 6-days-of-construction-4,000-years-ago oooga-booga, they can do it in church.

[jwalsh07]

Wonderful Patrick will we be hearing from the Communist Party on President Bus's dreaded creationism any time soon?

And for the record, the first sentence is a lie, just like the first sentence in all the other left wing garbage you posted. Bush never said "that ’Intelligent Design’ should be taught in the nation’s science classrooms:".

But what the hell, if the teachers union says it, it must be true right Patrick?

[Diva Betsy Ross]

I am so thankful that my children's education is not guided by public school employees and union members.

[SteveMcKing]

Ideally, we ought not even talk about this since education should be only a local matter.

But since I do, in fact, pay for schools nationwide to replace textbooks with names like "Bob" with new books containing presumably non-white names (a racist goal in itself, brought to you by Political Correctness), then I suppose this discussion is valid.

[Fester Chugabrew]

President Bush’s misinformed comments on "intelligent design" signal a huge step backward for science education in the United States.

Sounds like a statement from NOW or NARAL to me. Evolutionism has been a huge step backward for science education in the United States for over a century.

[Lumper20]

And teachers are not union members either.

[unlearner]

Which just goes to prove that evolution in the classroom is more about politics than education or science. The left sees it as a wedge tool that can be used to denigrate and undermine the faith of the student's parents.

Most of evolutionary theory is scientific. Most of what is contained in the mountains of data, observations and assumptions is simply biology.

The problem comes when trying to distinguish different types of science and the relevance and accuracy of each. I regard mathematics as the purest of sciences, while some do not regard math as a science. On the other hand I do not consider natural history to be a science, while others (evolutionists particularly) appear to elevate this "science" to the highest place of honor.

Historical facts are unlike scientific facts. Evolutionists cannot tell them apart. It is a historical fact that Booth shot Lincoln. Science may be able to assist in corroborating historical facts, but history CANNOT be duplicated in a laboratory.

The idea that ID or creationism should not be discussed in a "science" class is ludicrous. Should we prohibit other non-science disciplines from their utility in learning science? How about grammar? Shall we throw that out of the science class? How about history? I seem to recall a lot of historical asides in most of my science courses. But they should go too, right? Some evolutionists think math is not a science. Should we eliminate math from the science classes?

Students should be told that evolution is a theory about how species came to exist. They should be told that whether they believe it or not will not affect their grades, only whether they can accurately demonstrate an understanding of the essential facts presented in the course. They should be told that the purpose of teaching evolution is to enhance an understanding of biology. They should be told that as a theory, evolution is accepted as true only until proven otherwise. It could be true but is not sacrosanct. They should be told that some people object to evolution because they cannot reconcile their religious beliefs to the theory. They should be encouraged to put forth alternative theories that follow sound scientific principles. They should not be discouraged from exploring the possibility that religious ideas could POTENTIALLY be expressed in a scientific manner.

[Tribune7]

OK, you're saying Dubya is wrong but the teachers union is right? Well, you had your chance last November to vote your choice. LOL.