A man is stopped and searched at London's St Pancras station (JACK HILL)
Posted on 08/06/2005 7:30:21 PM PDT by aculeus
AS SENIOR officers and civil rights groups continued to argue about the controversial new stop-and-search policy, based on racial profiling, police put it into practice yesterday at stations across London.
Officers working to the guidelines, confirmed on Sunday by Ian Johnston, Chief Constable of the British Transport Police, targeted men of Asian appearance aged 18 to 30. Mr Johnston, who was supported yesterday by Hazel Blears, the Home Office Minister, said that police should not waste time searching “old white ladies”.
“Intelligence-led stop and searches has got to be the way,” he said. “We should not bottle out over this . . . there is every sign that the Muslim community understand the predicament we face.”
Police officers said that they had stopped and searched a disproportionately large number of young Asian men in Liverpool Street and King’s Cross stations. One of the those stopped at Liverpool Street was Arif Mahmud, 22, a waiter of Bangladeshi origin. A community support officer spent ten minutes checking his rucksack and suitcase and had also asked for identification. “He was polite and I can sort of understand why it has to be done, but there were lots of white men with rucksacks walking by as he questioned me,” Mr Mahmud said. “I’m pretty scared . . . everybody is staring at me because of my luggage.”
The guidelines, which will also target black men and those of East African appearance, were attacked by civil rights groups and Muslim organisations. Shami Chakrabarti, director of the civil rights group Liberty, said: “If you search people of a particular race or description, it does not take long for terrorists to learn ways of placing their lethal cargo with those who do not meet the profile.”
The Muslim Council of Britain said: “While it is understandable that the police need to undertake every step to thwart would-be bombers, it is crucial that they do not unnecessarily alienate and stigmatise an entire segment of society.”
Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.
A man is stopped and searched at London's St Pancras station (JACK HILL)
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Nice way of these Islam-sympathisers to refer to Muslims as 'Asians', thus deviously bracketing them under Hindus and Sikhs.
Unfortunately Hindus & Sikhs look very similar to Muslims and the only way to distinguish the would be to look into their pants !! This is what the Pak Army did in Bangladesh in 1971 to identify & liquidate Hindus.
Well, this has been SOP in England for years. Unfortunately, Hindus and Sikhs are probably going to get extra scrutiny, too.
One reason I always condemn folks who use the term "raghead" is because it could easily apply to Sikhs. Sikhs are the good guys, who know what a bitch it is to live under Muslim rule.
Which is why racial profiling is stupid at best and foolish at worst. Frankly I don't trust any idiot white people to figure one group from another or know anybody's race. "look at their pants". Fool. Have you never seen a Sikh in a business suit?
"Which is why racial profiling is stupid at best and foolish at worst."
Nice condemnation.....Now what is YOUR solution?
Most police have almost preternatural instincts to detect that a person is up to no good. Let them use that instinct, but don't try to codify it. Those who want to codify it are just holding on to their "job". Hire only the best and brightest to enforce the law. And train them very well. Narrow the focus. We know little old ladies (black, white, brown,..) are not bombers. But neither are all non-white men. All racial profiling does is instill anger in people who are otherwise model citizens. We've been through this in the US, and it did nothing except strip people of liberty and their constitutional rights. And if it happens to the least of us, it WILL bubble up to average white citizen. Do you want to live in that world? I don't.
"preternatural instincts"
I can just see that in an officers testimony at the court proceeding when the dept is sued.....you know, the part just before the person who was selected using this criteria wins. As to you your last line "Do you want to live in that world?" No....not really....But I would like to continue living. And if that means ALL males between certain ages and perhaps of a certain ethnic appeareance are more likely to selected for scrutiny I really can live with it.
"Nice condemnation.....Now what is YOUR solution?"
I guess he wants to keep searching the "idiot white people". Especially the idiot white grandmothers.
"I guess he wants to keep searching the "idiot white people". Especially the idiot white grandmothers."
When i read the guys response i had to laugh. Preternatural instincts....the brightest and the best...etc. I suppose we can set up a psychic hotline to screen potential police officers for this talent. LOL
But the funniest suggestion of his was "Narrow The Focus". Which seems to me to be saying...PROFILE MORE! LOL
What ethnicity would that be? You think Islam consists of only non-whites? Think again.
In places like the UK and US I am sure there are some white muslims. But if you think they constitute anything more than a miniscule portion of the group......Think again Einstein. And I am sure that many are like the Richard Reid (the shoe bomber), white converts to islam are usually nutty looking enough to be noticed. Profiling....as much as you will hate to admit it, will work. But hey, if you think EVERYBODY should be searched....fine. Just don't whine if you have to leave for your trip 12 hours early so you can get thru the lines.
I have a very telling pic showing a Paki soldier checking out a bangladeshi man to see if he was a Hindu or a Muslim - unfortunately I still have to figure out how to post pics here !!
That was not "look at their pants" but "look INTO their pants" - to check if they were circumcised !!
I am not opposed to racial profiling, but then again, those two in the picture weren't American or European converts to Islam, they were hard-core Muslim Palestinians. A large percentage of fanatic Muslims have very European-esque features, and a lot of them DO take part in suicide missions. And they were in a Hamas procession (look at the picture again, they were not in an animal rights protest, they were dressed like suicide bombers). Now if you can't single them out from the rest of the crowd, how in the world are you going to tell me all would be safe if you only checked a couple of brown-skinned people?
Well, if you really think your plan will work well, let me warn you the safety is worthlessly fragile. Islam has more tricks up its sleeves than you think. It is the most virulent, most diversely penetrative parasitic, demonic cult that this world has ever seen. And yes, it has crossed almost all racial and cultural barriers.
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