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(Green Bay) Area police stand against concealed carry
Green Bay Press-Gazette | 08/09/2005 | Lee Reinsch

Posted on 08/09/2005 10:30:03 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Green Bay police is against concealed-carry. Figures.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_22121330.shtml


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; crime; donutwatch; govwatch; greenbay; gunowners; guns; madison; wisconsin

1 posted on 08/09/2005 10:30:06 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"More aggressive style of policing..." Officer, are you threatening the citizenry of Wisconsin?


2 posted on 08/09/2005 10:32:48 AM PDT by PAMadMax (Islam is the enemy of all mankind...AlJazeera is its PR Firm)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I haven't met a police officer yet, including my brother and the one that taught my handgun class that are for them. Tough.


3 posted on 08/09/2005 10:33:15 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"“Arming more people with more guns is not going to make us safer,” Bonavia said."

Yes it will, read John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime".


4 posted on 08/09/2005 10:34:41 AM PDT by garyhope (Islamofascism wants the death of Western civilization. Simple as that.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think it's a Union thing. Since more guns = less crime and less crime = less cops...


5 posted on 08/09/2005 10:35:05 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: CindyDawg

It might get in the way of their "seat belt enforcement" adjenda.


6 posted on 08/09/2005 10:35:12 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: CindyDawg

When I worked the road, myself and many of my fellow officers expected everyone was carrying. If you were a law-abiding citizen and I was not arresting you or searching for drugs etc... ( with your consent, a warrant, or probable cause ) I did not care.

FUrthermore, I told every womam I knew I'd carry one if I were you, but that is in Texas.


7 posted on 08/09/2005 10:37:55 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
“We are not anti-gun, anti-hunter or anti-NRA,” Green Bay Police Chief Craig Van Schyndle said at a press event held by WAVE at the Brown County Courthouse in Green Bay. “This is an officer-safety issue and a community-safety issue. Green Bay, Appleton and Brown County are very safe communities, and concealed carry is a very dangerous proposition.”

He then went on to say that, while citizens of other localities were by and large intelligent, his citizens were so stupid that they would shoot themselves loading their guns, or, if threatened, would empty their guns at the slightest provocation, killing both police and innocent bystanders in huge numbers. "Our streets will be clogged with funerals if this law passes!!" (/sarcasm)

8 posted on 08/09/2005 10:38:13 AM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined.
Patrick Henry, Virginia's US constitution ratification.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Ben Franklin

Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense
John Adams

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans posses over almost every other nation…where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
James Mason

The Constitution shall be never construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
Samuel Adams
9 posted on 08/09/2005 10:39:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlein).)
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To: hadaclueonce

In a way I can understand. I would feel safer knowing the guy I just pulled over for no seat belt didn't have a gun but in reality though we aren't the ones they should be concerned about. The bad guys are always going to get weapons and they aren't going to care about breaking any laws.


10 posted on 08/09/2005 10:39:42 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

not having a seat belt. another deterioration of our rights.


11 posted on 08/09/2005 10:44:11 AM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlein).)
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To: CindyDawg
I haven't met a police officer yet, including my brother and the one that taught my handgun class that are for them. Tough

The more people are able to take care of themselves, the less we need police. Bad for the union.

12 posted on 08/09/2005 10:44:33 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I'll support no conceal carry if off-duty police officers, judges, parole officers, corrections officers, etc. can't carry either. They, like us, will then have to call 911 and wait for help to arrive. Think they'd go for it?

Of course, they'll whine that they're "trained" to carry guns and we're not. I know plenty of civilians, however, that spend far more time on a range than any cops.

13 posted on 08/09/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by rockprof
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To: PAMadMax
Someone should ask his boss, the Mayor, why his Chief of Police isn't doing EVERYTHING he can do now, within the bounds of the Consititution, to be aggresively pursuing crime and criminals. His statement of "more aggresive style of policing" implies that he either isn't doing everything he possibly can today, or that he intends to go beyond what the Consititution currently allows if CCW passes in Wisconsin.
14 posted on 08/09/2005 10:45:36 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: One Proud Dad

One guy reported in my hand gun class that he was told to open his trunk and instructed not to take the gun out until the officer drove away. He said the officer told him there was no way he was going to hand him a loaded gun, right after he gave him a ticket:') In answer to your post we do the same thing in health care. We approach all treatments as if everyone might be "carrying" (standard precautions).


15 posted on 08/09/2005 10:47:28 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: PAMadMax

Yes he is. He is a brute, a bully, and a democrat. He does not care about you nor does he care about your family. He cares about his job and his career. He cares most of all, about his power over you.


16 posted on 08/09/2005 10:47:56 AM PDT by Sinner6 (http://www.digital-misfits.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The usual anti-gun rights crowd has a new name and chapter in Wisconsin: Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort.

They have the usual bogus solutions to violence too.


17 posted on 08/09/2005 10:50:04 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Vaquero

Yes, I know. My husband is the one that is the activist on this issue though. I really am getting tired of paying those tickets. How in the world do they see him, going 65-70 miles an hour?


18 posted on 08/09/2005 10:50:59 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Hat-Trick

The thing we always hated was the Chief, Sheriff, ( in our case the Director ) speaking out against guns on any topic really and saying they spoke for all their officers. BS, very rarely did I side with administrations views of the public right for self-defense. All that take precautions crap, take a self-defense course, and leave the policing to us garbage, I hated it. The police cannot be everywhere and guys on the road know that fact. It is the local DA and administrator ( usually a guy with minimal street experience that rose through the ranks or politically appointed ) that makes the blanket statement about lock your doors and call 911 etc...


19 posted on 08/09/2005 10:54:46 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: kerryusama04
Bingo, we have a winner. If more people are able to take care of them selves, them we don't need as many police. Of course the police should realize that armed citizens have help many downed police in there time of need.
20 posted on 08/09/2005 10:57:45 AM PDT by 2001convSVT
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To: One Proud Dad
Back in the 60's I had a friend who was a cop and also worked part time security at a resort.

One day at a bus stop in a small town, he grabbed a kid and pulled a .25 automatic out of the kids back pocket.

In North Carolina the gun laws were really strict. I later asked him what he did with the kid. He said he was a college student on his way home. He unloaded the gun and gave it back to him and told him to put it in his bags.

There are plenty of cops tho who would have tried to ruin the kids life permanently for exercising his constitutional rights.

21 posted on 08/09/2005 10:57:53 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mack the knife
This is an officer-safety issue

And, how many police officers have been injured by CCW holders...ever?

If you want a safe job....DON'T BE A POLICE OFFICER!!

22 posted on 08/09/2005 11:00:23 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Puppage

There is many instances however of CCW, illegal carrying, and unarmed citizens coming to the aid of officers who are fighting suspect(s) or in trouble of sorts. Don't take this seriously, most officer are not against carrying.


23 posted on 08/09/2005 11:05:11 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad
Don't take this seriously, most officer are not against carrying

That's true. My neighbor is a PO. He would like to see a little more training on the part of people who legally carry. If you've chosen to carry, like myself, it's a huge responsibility and one should get all the training you can.

24 posted on 08/09/2005 11:16:29 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Green Bay Police in general, or a loud mouthed few union boyz on the force put up to spouting leftist propaganda by the thugs?


25 posted on 08/09/2005 11:27:18 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You mean, this guy?
26 posted on 08/09/2005 11:32:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: garyhope

actually I think you have hit upon it.

If crime goes down, as it has in every jurisdiction with CCW, then the police have a harder time justifying their actions and demands for more and more money and exotic police toys.


27 posted on 08/09/2005 11:36:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Vaquero
The Constitution shall be never construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.

Samuel Adams

Unfortunately, it has.

28 posted on 08/09/2005 11:40:01 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Crime will go down, so LEO's livelihood is at stake. They have a vested, conflicted intrest and their opinion is compromised and invalidated.
29 posted on 08/09/2005 11:49:16 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
30 posted on 08/09/2005 11:51:23 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: elbucko

NO...not the constitution..perhaps activist judges have, but not the constitution. we must take it back.....


31 posted on 08/09/2005 12:07:01 PM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlein).)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Green Bay Police Chief Craig Van Schyndle

“Arming more people with more guns is not going to make us safer,”

These people agree.Keep the citizens unarmed especially the petite pretty women.

32 posted on 08/09/2005 12:08:44 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: freepatriot32

Who is the gay-looking fat dude on the left? He creeps me out.


33 posted on 08/09/2005 12:10:57 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: freepatriot32
Thank you. Gives me a face to see while I write and try to educate him...


34 posted on 08/09/2005 12:41:14 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Junior_G
Who is the gay-looking fat dude on the left? He creeps me out. Thats Bobby Joe Long A distant cousin of Henry Lee Lucas, he raped 50 women in florida before he moved up to murder he strangled 10 women to death and then posed thier bodys in obscene sexual positions for the police to find as a sidenote all of the women that he raped or murdered where unarmed at the time of thier attack wich according to this dipsh*t chief of police in greenbay is a good thing
35 posted on 08/09/2005 1:01:33 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

ping


36 posted on 08/09/2005 1:03:08 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: 2001convSVT
Of course the police should realize that armed citizens have help many downed police in there time of need.

Precisely - like that good soul who gave his life stopping the madman at that courthouse in Texas earlier this year.

37 posted on 08/09/2005 1:32:56 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: Vaquero

I'm with you and the forefathers. Excellent post IMHO


38 posted on 08/09/2005 1:35:09 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What, did the Green Bay Police Department start hiring moonbats? Somebody needs to inform them that the Second Amendment is part of the Constitution.


39 posted on 08/09/2005 1:38:24 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: CindyDawg

My dad (a lieutenant of POlice in Milwaukee) and most of the cops he knows (like, street level officers, not the brass), support concealed carry, and would rather show up at robberies where the victim is walking around and the perp is lyin in a pool of blood.


40 posted on 08/09/2005 1:41:28 PM PDT by DTwistedSisterS
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To: freepatriot32
Yeah, average citizens are much safer when only trained law enforcement officers and the military have guns.


41 posted on 08/09/2005 1:55:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

thanks for posting the pic i was goingot post the series of them i have but didnt get them transfered to my new computer yet


42 posted on 08/09/2005 2:21:20 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
“We are not anti-gun, anti-hunter or anti-NRA,” Green Bay Police Chief Craig Van Schyndle said at a press event held by WAVE at the Brown County Courthouse in Green Bay. “This is an officer-safety issue and a community-safety issue. Green Bay, Appleton and Brown County are very safe communities, and concealed carry is a very dangerous proposition.”

On what study or experience of shall issue CCW states does this nitwit base his opinion? Shall issue CCW invariably produces a DROP in violent crime. It looks like he wants to keep the criminals in business.

43 posted on 08/09/2005 2:26:24 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: CindyDawg
In a way I can understand. I would feel safer knowing the guy I just pulled over for no seat belt didn't have a gun but in reality though we aren't the ones they should be concerned about. The bad guys are always going to get weapons and they aren't going to care about breaking any laws.

I can see that. However, the flip side to that is the safety that having the permit usually shows. In Texas, a CHL basically tells the officer that you've never committed a felony, haven't committed a misdemeanor in at least 10 years, have all your state taxes, etc. paid. Basically that you're a decent, law-abiding person. And the way the CHL class is structured here, it makes one thing long and hard about the consequences of using your weapon. Even if your completely justified. Like you say, the bad guys will always carry 'em. The good guys are generally willing to undergo a little extra scrutiny to legally level the playing field, so to speak.
44 posted on 08/09/2005 2:29:13 PM PDT by faloi
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

From Robert Heinlein's "Beyond This Horizon, and exchange between Mordan Claude and Hamilton Felix. Felix is expressing his doubts about the custom of going armed, and Mordan explains why it is a good one:

“Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. For me, politeness is a sine qua non of civilization. That’s a personal evaluation only. But gunfighting has a strong biological use. We do not have enough things to kill off the weak and stupid these days. But to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with wits or with his hands, preferably both. It’s a good thing.”

“Maybe so,” Felix answered slowly, “but it does seem like there ought to be a better way to do it. This way is pretty sloppy. Sometimes the bystanders get burned.”

“The alert ones don’t,” Mordan pointed out. “But don’t expect human institutions to be efficient. They never have been; it is a mistake to think they can be made so…[b]ecause we are sloppy, individually—and therefore collectively.”

So what's not to like there?


45 posted on 08/09/2005 2:51:26 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Not surprising. It's been decades since I've know an LEA who was in favor of civilians being armed.


46 posted on 08/09/2005 2:54:06 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: DTwistedSisterS

That's good because I don't hear it around this area. Even my instructor was negative (why he teaches I have no idea).


47 posted on 08/09/2005 3:33:14 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: faloi
However, the flip side to that is the safety that having the permit usually shows. In Texas, a CHL basically tells the officer that you've never committed a felony, haven't committed a misdemeanor in at least 10 years, have all your state taxes, etc. paid. Basically that you're a decent, law-abiding person.

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You should mention that Texas law requires CHL holders to show the traffic officer their CHL -- along with the driver's license.

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Last Thanksgiving, I was stopped by an officer in a rural Texas town. When I showed him my CHL, he asked, "Sir, do you have your sidearm with you?" I replied, "Yes, Officer, I do."

To which he replied, "Great! It don't do you any good if you don't have it with you!"

...just one of the many things I love about being back home in God's Country!...

48 posted on 08/10/2005 7:20:32 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: CindyDawg

"I haven't met a police officer yet, including my brother and the one that taught my handgun class that are for them. Tough."

What do they say about reduced crime after states approve of conceal carry laws?


49 posted on 08/12/2005 9:52:00 PM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (Stop crime with a bullet, not a call to 911)
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