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Posted on 08/10/2005 5:17:56 AM PDT by conservativecorner
NUCLEAR WAR-FEAR Author says prepare for nuclear terror Former official: Not trying to cause panic, but prevent it
U.S. officials should get serious about nuclear terrorism by urging Americans to prepare for disaster by stockpiling food, water, building shelters and planning evacuation routes, says an author and former member of the Indiana House of Representatives.
In response to reports al-Qaida is planning an "American Hiroshima" nuclear attack on the U.S. using weapons and operative already smuggled into the country, Don Boys, author of Islam: America's Trojan Horse, says he is not trying to panic the public.
"In a few days or weeks, everyone who has not prepared for disaster will panic," he says. "I would like for you to realize that you may have already waited too long to properly prepare, and if you wait much longer, it will be too late to buy gold, guns, and groceries. ... The name of the game will be survival, only survival. Forget the job since it will be gone. Your Social Security or pension check? Don't count on it. Protection from local authorities? Probably not. You will be on your own."
Boys bases his advice on the words of U.S. officials from President Bush to Vice President Dick Cheney to the directors of the FBI and Homeland Security who have said nuclear terrorism is the greatest threat facing the nation and a virtual inevitability at some point.
"If U.S. officials are wrong and there is no danger from terrorists ... then breathe a sigh of relief, thank God for His mercy and continue with your life," he says. "However, if you are wrong (and U.S. officials are right), you and your family will be cold, hungry, and dependent on others to provide for your basic needs. Is it wise to take such an unnecessary risk?"
Boys suggests Americans purchase non-electric tools, guns, ammunition, food and toilet paper. He says it would be wise to set aside small bills as well as quarters.
"A few boxes of No-Rad (potassium iodide anti-radiation tablets) will be more valuable than gold if you are in a contaminated area," he says. "Get a supply today."
WND has reported that captured al-Qaida leaders and documents outline plans for a devastating terrorist nuclear attack on the U.S. plans that have been under way for more than a decade. The reports are confirmed by author Paul Williams in his upcoming book, "The Al Qaeda Connection."
Intelligence analysts and sources disagree on the details of the way bin Laden's "American Hiroshima" plan unfolds. Some G2 Bulletin sources emphasize bin Laden's commitment to re-enacting the 1945 attack on Japan with one nuclear detonation, followed by another days later.
Williams, however, sees a much more devastating, coordinated, all-out, surprise attack coming.
"The next attack, according to al-Qaida defectors and informants, will take place simultaneously at various sites throughout the country," he writes. "Designated targets include New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Miami, Chicago, Washington, D.C., Houston, Las Vegas, and Valdez, Alaska, where the tankers are filled with oil from the Trans-Alaska pipeline. To orchestrate such an incredible event requires not only the shipment of the nukes into the United States but also the establishment of cells, the training of sleeper agents, the selection of sites, and the preparation of the weapons without detection from federal, state or local law enforcement officials. Unlike 9-11, that cost less than $350,000, this event already has cost a king's ransom, and bin Laden will not waste the billions in expenditures, the years of planning and his coveted 'crown jewels' on an attack that is ill-planned, poorly timed and carelessly coordinated."
Other sources interpret some of the same information, based on captured al-Qaida operatives and documents as well as defectors, differently. They project an escalating series of attacks, each followed by blackmail demands upon the U.S. government and the American people.
Yep, my city's just been nuked and darn, I've run out of toilet paper...that will certainly be at the forefront of people's worries. (end/sarcasm)
Here's to praying that it's all a figment of his imagination, but even if there is a small chance of a coordinated nuclear attack, the folks who haven't at least done the bare minimum for preparedness will be kicking themselves squarely in the ass.
Reminds me of all the hype before Y2K
Wanna buy some freeze-dried chili that's only slightly past the "best by" date? :)
I think i'll just be well armed and ready to meet my maker
In truth, a lot of hard work went into preventing problems with Y2K. It was the preparation ahead of time that reduced the event to a few small glitches in the system.
If they try anything like this, the US should immediately nuke Mecca, Medina, the West Bank, Gaza, Damascus, Tehran, and Quom (or however you spell that sh*thole).
Makes sense that the author is a former legislator. Politicians have no clue what a good policy is, they only know politics. Stockpiling food is not the way to deal with nuclear terror. The way to deal with nuclear terror is surveillance, border control, and detection.
He forgot to mention beer,Jim Beam and smokes...he doesn't know what he's talkin aboot.
He must have stock in Charmin.
I can see it now: the remake of the old Twilight Zone episode where all the neighbors are trying to break in to this guy's bomb shelter: "Can't you at least spare some TP?"
The towel heads are just too incompetent to pull it off. Getting a nuke, maintaining a nuke, smuggling and maintaing the nuke into the US, concealing the nuke and maintenancing the nuke in concealment, hiding the nuke from US NEST is too much for the IBM crew to deal with. It isn't going to happen, ever.
Agreed, I actually called my county water supplier and spoke to the engineer. They had spent a LOT of money upgrading their system for Y2K.
It's just that there was also a lot of hype as well.
I was considering saving the Sears web site to disc for multiple use...
Hump Day blues?
For those that are taking this B/S seriously, a tip. Learn which leaves and grasses are non-toxic to the rectum and forget about toilet paper.
It will be hard, if not impossible, to tote large boxes of toilet paper on your trek through the nuclear wilderness, and taking a dump will be the last concern on your mind.
If I told you in 1994 that terrorists would eventually bring down both Twin Towers, I can imagaine your response then as well.
Our family is prepared. We have a three month supply of toilet paper, but more important than that, we have a three month supply of WATER. Our family built a bomb shelter in our basement last week, and we have all of the food, supplies, and resources prepared to live out a nuclear or WMD incident in our own home for three months.
It has taken TIME, effort, money, and some basic know how to do these preparations. Time may not be available if we are attacked, and those who have prepared will be in a much better position psychologically to make it through an event.
Some good links to check out:
This past week I was interviewed by a woman for her web site on what families can do to prepare for nuclear terror, here is the link:
What a mind picture. That made my day! THNAK YOU!!
If it happens it happens. What will be the real test is what country or counties join in the confusion caused by the "bombers" and how much of a chicken sh*t our own government will be in doing something about it.
the fact is , everyone should have some backup. Localized disaster happens every day, someday something big could happen.
Counting on the government or some aid agency to bail you out is pretty lame.
I live out in the sticks. After a LARGE ice storm knocked out our power for about a month once, we just naturally keep a keep a well stocked supply of essentials...
The more serious thought is that several countries, such as N. Korea, China, Iran, and Russia, might be enabling Al Qaeda with agents, weapons, etc., to use, to that they can knock off the USA without seeming to make war on us.
(So, it's not the terrorist capabilities we have to fear, but the capabilities of the secret services of China, N. Korea, Russia, etc.)
I live out in the sticks. After a LARGE ice storm knocked out our power for about a month once, we just naturally keep a well stocked supply of essentials...
If I told you the terrorists could destroy the United States in one day I could imagine your response as well.
"The towel heads are just too incompetent to pull it off. Getting a nuke, maintaining a nuke, smuggling and maintaing the nuke into the US, concealing the nuke and maintenancing the nuke in concealment, hiding the nuke from US NEST is too much for the IBM crew to deal with. It isn't going to happen, ever."
Wow, a good candidate for stupidest post of the day. Keep whistling past the graveyard if it makes you feel better. Just about anything can be had for a price and these lunatics have billions. Nukes dont have to be maintained if they are going to be used short term. They don't have to be hidden in a city if they are on a cargo ship just off shore. They are hard to detect if they are encased in lead and surrounded by thousands of shipping containers. The islamonazis are fanatical psychopaths, but they aren't stupid.
He also swears he's not trying to sell a book because, as we all know, it's a law that if you have information critical to the survival of the republic, it can only be disseminated through Barnes and Noble.
Ditto. We learned the same lesson the hard way back in the winter of 2000. Next time, we'll be better prepared.
'We have to be ready for everything' - a reorganization of the Department of Homeland Security
Michael Chertoff is overseeing a sweeping reorganization of the Department of Homeland Security. Among his many challenges: Improving airport screening, protecting the borders, guarding "soft targets" such as subways. Chertoff discussed these and other issues Tuesday with USA TODAY editors and reporters. His comments were edited for length and clarity.
Question: We now have at least two models for al-Qaeda attacks on the West - a large-scale hit intent on killing thousands and a smaller version, as represented by London. How do you see the al-Qaeda threat today?
Answer: Al-Qaeda always had a core base of people who pledged allegiance directly to Osama bin Laden and who always took directions from him. And then there were always groups who were affiliated and associated but didn't take direct discipline from al-Qaeda. I think that bin Laden, even if you go back to the late '90s, supported a broad range of like-minded organizations where you didn't have the same command and control. One of the challenges is to identify not only the large-scale terrorist plot, which will tend to have a bigger signature - meaning we have a better opportunity to pick it up using intelligence methods - but the smaller-scale thing, conducted by an affiliate or an associate, or even a like-minded group, that has a low signature that may not be at the scale of a 9/11. That being the case, smaller attacks take a shorter time horizon to plan and fewer resources, and are, therefore, difficult to detect.
Q:So how do you protect against both?
A: The short answer is that we have to be ready for everything. We have to look for the small-scale attack and address those issues with sleeper cells. But it doesn't mean we can move our eye away from the danger of a large-scale attack. Historically, al-Qaeda has wanted to cause mass casualties. And obviously, they were interested in things like biological, chemical attacks. They did work in those areas. We would be foolish if we averted our eyes from that as a potential threat, even if the likelihood of something like that in the near term is comparatively small. (Related item: Chertoff on airport security)
Q:Is there enough intelligence information to suggest which is the likelier form of attack?
A: I don't know that there is.
Q:Why do you think there has not been another major attack on American soil since 9/11, and what does that tell us about the nature of the threat?
A: We have disrupted a lot. We've disrupted overseas by taking out a significant percentage of the top leadership. We've disrupted at home by addressing sleeper cells and bringing cases against people, and sometimes they are not cases labeled "terrorist" cases. Sometimes the charges are much more garden-variety charges involving document fraud or removing people using the immigration process. We have increased our degree of surveillance at the borders. And our intelligence sharing has gotten much better. Our resolution and our determination to go forward without being intimidated have also sent a very strong signal to terrorists. But I would be the last person to say we can rest easy or that we have eliminated the threat. These terrorists operate on a very, very long time horizon. And that's why the state we are trying to get into is one that is not complacency, but not one of hyper-anxiety. Rather, one where we are mindful of the fact that there is a threat, we incorporate reasonable security measures and balance security measures into our daily life, but don't operate in a state of clenched teeth all of the time.
Q: We have a poll coming out that says three-quarters of the people believe that bin Laden is planning a new attack. Half believe he will succeed. What are your thoughts on those numbers, and what can you tell the American public about what is being done to capture or kill bin Laden?
A: Obviously, if bin Laden were captured or killed, that would be a significant accomplishment. But I think it is a mistake to personalize this. Whatever symbolic or charismatic value bin Laden has, the operations are carried out and planned and generated by a cadre of leaders underneath him. So I don't think his presence makes a huge difference in terms of the threat.
Q: Do you think random searches such as those undertaken in the New York City subways are effective? Would you recommend them for other cities?
A: I think searching, and even random searching, can have real value. You don't want to be predictable. A behaviorally oriented searching is the most effective. (Related item: Chertoff on lessons from the London attacks)
Q: One of the surprises in London was the lack of any forewarning that it was coming. And that all comes down to human intelligence. Where is the U.S. in developing such intelligence?
A: That's always a challenge. A lone wolf that wants to carry out a terrorist attack is not going to tell anybody. So there isn't a lot of human intelligence that you are going to get. This is one of the reasons that disrupting sleeper cells and going after people for training in camps is a very, very important way to keep things from happening.
Q: Are we anywhere close to being able to infiltrate some of these cells?
A: We get informants. We get people that give us information. Sometimes it's good; sometimes it's not good. We run down anything that seems remotely credible. But you can't count on that l00% of the time. You've got to use every tool that's available consistent with the law in order to give the maximum protection.
Q: In the last four years, the most horrific scenario - a nuclear attack - may be the least discussed. If there were to be a nuclear attack tomorrow by terrorists on an American city, how would it be handled?
A: In the area of a nuclear bomb, it's prevention, prevention, prevention. If a nuclear bomb goes off, you are not going to be able to protect against it. There's no city strong enough infrastructure-wise to withstand such a hit. No matter how you approach it, there'd be a huge loss of life.
Q: What about for a biological attack?
A: Bio is the opposite. It would be difficult to prevent the first onslaught of a biological attack. However, there is a huge impact that protection and response and recovery has. An appropriate mechanism that detects that an attack has occurred, coupled with an effective ability to respond, could essentially eliminate or all but eliminate loss of life. So the consequences would become very much reduced.
Q: Are you comfortable with the plans that are in place in the event of such an attack?
A: A lot of good work has been done, but we want to make sure that we have really taken the planning as far as we possibly can. We're working on it.
Q: Much of Homeland Security's mission centers on protecting our borders. What do you think the U.S. government needs to do to control the border?
A: The issue of the borders involves many more things than just keeping out individual terrorists. We have to look at the entire system. Sometimes we have a tendency to flood a lot of resources to one part of a system like the border, but then no one researches the question of what do you do when you catch the people? Just gonna let them out? That's not a useful way to apply the resources, and it's demoralizing to the people who make the apprehensions.
Q: On the two biggest issues, bioterrorism and nuclear, where does the buck stop? Who is in charge of these issues to ensure that we're doing what is necessary to protect this country?
A: What we have to do is make sure that everybody understands what everybody else is doing, that we have set of plans, that we're executing our responsibilities in a way that is consistent. And ultimately, we report to the president.
I wouldn't say it's IMPOSSIBLE, but if it's going to happen, it's going to be an acquire-and-detonate deal. I don't believe they're hauling around thirty suitcase bombs. One discovery would be enough to justify an entire takeover of the Middle East, so I'm not betting they'd take that chance.
If they get one, they'll use it as quickly as possible. I don't believe they have one at this time, contrary to the reports.
Good for you and really good for your family. Everyone in power in this country has stated that "it's not if but when" until we are hit with WMD in this country. I just posted a story from USA Today explaining that the Dept. of Homeland Security is preparing for any possibility, and I read an article about the Pentagon forming units of 3,000 men per unit to handle a WMD attack or attacks on this country, but folks still refuse to believe it's a possibility. I don't know if there is really a plan called American Hiroshima, but I can imagine the terrorists wanting to get their hands on and detonate a nuclear weapon in this country.
We would have - 60 years ago. Not today. America has changed......to our detriment.
Do you know what IBM is BadAndy?
Hey, we've been preparing for nuclear terror since I heard that President CLINTON was selling our nuclear technology to the highest bidder! This is a lifestyle for us.
We are not tucked away in a bomb shelter waiting for the BOMB! We are simply prepared with food storage, guns, and lots and lots of water to live in our home for a long time without any outside help. I wrote a piece for newsmax right after 9-11. Here is the link:
Nothing wrong with making a few simple preparations. It does not mean you are crazy, paranoid, or duped. Just willing to accept the reality of our world and put in some supplies for yourself and your family.
I don't feel panicked or afraid when I read articles like the one posted to this thread. Just curious to know what will happen.
It comforts me to know that we will be able to feed our kids if the stores are empty.
I'm with you. I just don't believe they can hide and maintain a nuke for very long and expect it to work.
Personally I am more concerned that one could enter a port on a container ship or tanker and be detonated right there.
I agree it's possible, maybe even likely. But the Joe Farrah angle is a little too sensational by half.
When they get one, they'll use it. Perhaps they won't acquire one until they're ready to use one.
There are many possible scenarios, but the least possible one is that they're saving these things for a "rainy day".
School children were taught in the early 1950's that the first line of defense against a nuke attack was to crawl under a desk and put your head between your legs. Kiss your butt goodbye was added by parents.
I remember that from the 1960's as well. Remember though that we were talking about mutually assured destruction back in those days, but today we face the possibilty of one or several devices going off in this country without it triggering an all out nuclear war between super powers.
It wasn't that long ago, remember, when the power went out for a couple of days along a good chunk of the Eastern seaboard and people were stranded. We've been through short periods where because of heavy snow we've not been able to leave the house for a couple of weeks (and always had plenty of food in the freezer and pantry to sustain us, whereas neighbors had to try to make a treacherous trip to the store to get bread or cereal or diapers).
One time we were traveling and stopped in a small town to get gas (we were practically on E at the time). The town had JUST had a giant storm, and power was out everywhere. No gas pumps worked, no lights or electricity were on at the restaurant where we stopped to wait it out, and they couldn't take a credit card, either! You'd think they would have plied us with free ice cream or something since the stuff was melting and people were just sitting there killing time. Things were up and running within three or four hours, though, so we FINALLY paid our bill, filled up at the station across the street, and headed up the interstate. Had it been out for days, however, we would have been in a dilly of a pickle!
The thing is, it doesn't hurt to prepare, and then you've got a head start on ANY emergency that might crop up, be it a snowstorm, a power outage, or a nuclear attack.
I don't think he's saying it can't happen at all; he's saying that these people don't have the know-how to conceal and maintain a weapon like this. Your scenario is the most likely scenario - get it, use it, over and out. Farrah and Williams believe these things are hidden in some dark alley in a city near you, ready to blow. I don't buy it. These things are highly detectible if they're just lying around. Even port security has radiation detection - ships are being met and boarded prior to port entry because of false detections. That doesn't mean every port is air-tight - by no means - but steps are being taken to prevent this.
Blame that on the hand-wringing touchy-feely can't-we-all-just-get-along doctrine that permeates our society.
"Do you know what IBM is BadAndy?"
Do you mean International Business Machines?
It isn't going to happen.. ever.
I sit here and shake my head at comments like these. This type of arrogance and the arrogance of people who think this is impossible is scary.
There are people in the DIA and the CIA who think this is VERY possible. There are others within the government who are so concerned that it might be possible that they are trying to put together some kind of procedure to deal with the aftermath.
It may sound good to sit here and assure everyone that there's NO WAY POSSIBLE this could happen.
But it's the same arrogant condescension heard when folks said the Titanic was unsinkable.
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