Posted on 08/10/2005 11:25:50 AM PDT by JZelle
Intelligent design has nothing to back it up and it is a transparent attempt to bring creationism back into the curriculum. And not just any creationism, but Christian creationism. The only non-Chritian pushing for ID is a fundamentalist Moslem. Evolution at least has the benefit of being as much a scientific theory as atomic theory, or the theory of gravitation.
You have a right to that opinion, but you have no right to impose your opinion on everyone else.
Santarians asking for an animal sacrifice before the meeting would be treated the same.
It is a loony fring and the fact the communist founded ACLU is involved speaks volumes to the LACK of legitimacy.
This is not a case of equals but a matter of using an absurd notion, "wicca" is a legitimate religion.
It was clearly and convincingly created as a fraud in the 50 and it remains so today. As for your referance to army chaplains, that is laughable since the politicians have been pushing the army as social experiment now for some time. (see don't ask don't tell)
It should be treated the same way as the surf and turn religion and the santaria religion. No invite.
And, as I pointed out, Wicca is already a recognized religion.
No. There is no imposition of opinion. Indeed, there is an attempt to give the Wiccans the same right to voice their opinion in a public forum as is now enjoyed by Christians. If anyone is imposing an opinion, it would be the latter.
So if I found a religion based on worshipping guys named Daryl, I should be allowed to pray over a government body?
You would probably say "yes," therefore, you have no idea what you're talking about. Your claims of rationality and enlightenment don't mean anything in this argument. You have no idea what this could mean.
I was talking about your right to impose an anti-Christian agenda in public schools. The witch doesn't have the right to impose her religion on a free people or their representatives.
Do you have a fairly substantial following? One of the criteria for determining whether something is a cult or a religion is the number of followers. Wicca has a pretty good sized following. Hell, it has enough of a following that chaplains serve in the military.
I am not "anti-Christian." I merely point out that what's sauce for the goose (Christians) is sauce for the gander (Wiccans). The government cannot favor one over the other.
Sure it can.
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas
ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits
ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
Additional information:
The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back
Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')
ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings
See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU
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Joe we're in rare agreement. However, I would expand on what you wrote: No one has the right to impose his/her religion on a free people. Period.
So what is the cutoff? Ten people? 15? 37? 20 million? I would put the Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ against anything the wiccans can come up with. Numbers are numbers, but the presence of Jesus in your life, indeed in your nation, cannot be overemphasized in importance. Sure there are many socioeconomic reasons why some nations are better off than others, but the biggest difference, the one that really made the USA a truly powerful, wealthy nation, is that we are founded as a Christian nation. I know what the Constitution says, and the Founding Fathers had their reasons, but I'll guarantee you they never saw anything like this ever becoming an issue. Strict interpretation of the Constitution is fine, but you need it in a context. Right now, we're looking at it from a liberal, if-it-feels-good-do-it context, and that's just going to lead us down a very dark, slippery path.
You can think of me as a religious nut if you want, but I cannot tell you how bad of an idea it would be for something as sacreligious as a wiccan to be allowed to perform some sort of perverted prayer over a ruling body of this country.
That sounds a whole lot like my ex-wife's favorite expression during PMS: "If you don't know, I'm not telling."
Careful - logic, common sense, quoting of the constitution, etc., etc., rarely works here with anti-Harry Potter threads and discussions involving religion - particularly Wicca.
Simpson said she would seek a full-court review of the decision. The appeals court based its ruling in Simpson v. Chesterfield Co. Board Of Supervisors on Marsh v. Chambers, a 1983 Supreme Court decision that ruled nonsectarian legislative prayer is generally constitutional. The 4th Circuit wrote that Chesterfield County has done a good job of including leaders from a variety of religions to offer opening prayers and therefore abided by the Constitution by not advancing any one faith
Thank you Ma'am. We'll take your request under advisement, Broom Hilda. LOLThis would be a good case for Edith Jones to decide.
Unusual to find them supporting invocations by any religion when they've made such a name for themselves attempting to sterilize every meeting, game or venue from invocations involving "mainstream" religious such as Christians or Jews.
Hush! You're being extreme!! There are some religious bigots here, no question. They're like a Judeo-Christian Taliban. It's an embarrassment to those who support Freedom of Religion regardless of how hair brained or "modern" it might be.
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