Posted on 08/10/2005 1:47:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Nightline Tonight Mon., March 14, 2005
That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast:
Love
Cindy Sheehan
March 15, 2005
To Whom it May Concern:
Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.
[SNIP]
I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.
The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?
Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.
It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.
I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.
Let me add my "BRAVO!" to the ones above, even though I wasn't pinged to your response. :(
You have Cindy Sheehan pegged. I wish the media, Fox News especially, would show us that flyer. Then we'd all know where this nut is coming from.
Now THAT is a well reasoned argument. ;) Kudos to you, my friend. I still haven't seen enough of Iconoclast to label him, but you did get me thinking about his name. So I shall ask him about it tomorrow when we continue our discussion, as he promised.
"Iconoclast has a strange inability to see how his remarks so closely parallel the early antisemitism of pre-Reich Germany of the thirties."
They do, now that you mention it, but then again, many blithe and sweeping generalizations do. I am not going to call him an out and out fascist or anti-Semite at this point, however.
However, as a general point, this argument of yours was effective. "The anti-semites of today speak of "Neo-cons" and the Jews running the world stage as a cabal. The Muslims in particular, as GOOD Muslims, should be the rulers (superior and all) and to be denied such power must have been victims of theft from the devious Jews... Does this sound at all familiar to you? Any of you?"
It does sound familiar to me and your argument has a certain resonance, I cannot deny. And the Left is nothing but singleminded in its drive to master Orwellian language and doublespeak. To use terms to label themselves positively and us perjoratively.
Socialist/Activist/Social Democrat/Liberal (one concerned with rights? could have fooled me)/Liberal democrat/Progressive
Neo-con does seem to be the new buzzword for conspirator, fatcats, the Man, string pullers, puppetmasters, elders of Zion, and all that rubbish.
I won't label a man until I have more of his measure. In this case, I don't know enough of Iconoclast to label him yet, and so I will refrain. But I will now take what you have said into consideration when we continue our debate with him tomorrow.
I've enjoyed your posts too.
I forgot to mention that this nut lives only about 75 miles from me. One of the many "benefits" of living in the People's Republic of California. ;)
No problem. If you want to live in the country, go right ahead. Personally, if I were you, I'd move to a small town instead. Preferably at least 4000 people. That would mean they had doctors, pharmacists, decent shopping, etc. And finding a job would be difficult, but not impossible. Since I assume you have no farming training.
My old French teacher did this with her husband when they had their first kid. Moved out to the town my cottage is in (well, near). Quite happy. It's a decent sized town, good place to raise the kids and she teaches at the local high school while he's a chef.
"When danger reared its ugly head/
He bravely turned his tail and fled/
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!"
Or Sir Age of Reason, as the case may be. ;)
I live to give. ;)
Thanks for thinking of us. The Foxhole honors all our military, past to present and in whatever role they have been given. It's true many join for many reasons, we respect them for joining as long as when the going gets tough they stand up to the challenge.
Her friends at MOOve On (perhaps "Moo-slims On) have a petition to sign, and it includes a space for comments about this woman if you care to sign: Your message to Cindy Sheehan: (optional)
This is sad. Perhaps, the more she talks, the more she will marginalize herself so that even some of the Dem nuts in congress will step back. Then again, some of them say the same thing.
"If you ask me, she's a great Mom and his son would be very proud of her were he alive"
I have no doubt that he would still love his mother
But as far as a great mom??
She is ignoring her other children
http://brentrasmussen.com/log/node/117
DS: Have you lost any friends or family over this? OR, how do your husband and neighbors feel about your sudden rise to prominence in the media and the role you've accepted in those venues?
CS: I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie.
Beware the Red Queen.
For she and/or her minions
Will ride down on you.
Yep...
A dispersed population makes the use of bio agents less effective.
Non-contagious bio agents and chemicals, would be very hard to disperse over wide enough areas to kill a significant number of people when those people live far apart--
Since so much of the agents would fall over uninhabited land, much would be wasted.
Great amounts of some agents might need to be dispersed over many miles to kill even a few hundred people--
Again, it would be easier for a terrorist just to use a gun.
And as for contagious bio agents--they too are most effective in densely populated areas, where they can spread among people quickly, and not burn themselves out by running out of new victims to infect.
Plus, such infections would be easy for government to contain when only a few people are infected in a small area, far from other people.
It was population growth, dense centers of population, and international travel--of trade or of armies--that gave the great plagues of history the opportunity to happen.
Son once again, Weapons of Mass Destruction are impractical without a mass of people to act upon.
Therefore, the best defense and the best deterrence is a dispersed population.
I'm glad you found "resonance" with my rant. I have the self-awareness to KNOW it was a rant on my part, though I try to be reasonable in my ire. ;)
I just can't watch passively when the subtle Jabs at Jews brigade marches by. They speak of talking points, when the talking points against Jewry are thousands of years old... the irony can only be cut by acetylene torch.
I'm exhausted, had to work late at the office this evening... ugh.
Have a good evening, uh, morning. :)
Ditto Megatori.
:-)
"Therefore, the best defense and the best deterrence is a dispersed population."
Huh. How 'bout instead of changing the rest of the world, we just kill the terrorists?
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