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Could be that dad is not real father, report shows (Is that kid really yours?)
reuters via Yahoo News ^ | Aug 11, 2005 | SOURCE: Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, August 2005.

Posted on 08/11/2005 12:40:55 PM PDT by summer

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Perhaps one out of every 25 dads could unknowingly be raising another man's child, a finding that has huge health and social implications, according to report released Wednesday.

Exposing so-called paternal discrepancy -- when a child is identified as being biologically fathered by someone other than the man who believes he is the father -- could lead to family violence and the breakup of many families. On the other hand, leaving paternal discrepancy hidden means having the wrong genetic information, which could have health consequences.

A UK-based research team reviewed scientific research dealing with paternity published between 1950 and 2004 and reports that rates of paternal discrepancy range from less than 1 percent to as much as 30 percent.

The investigation also showed that becoming pregnant at a younger age, low socioeconomic status, and being in a long-term relationship rather than being married seem to be linked to greater likelihood of paternal discrepancy.

It is generally believed that rates of paternal discrepancy are less than 10 percent. A paternal discrepancy rate of 4 percent means that one in 25 families could be affected.

However, soaring rates of paternity testing in North America and Europe means more cases of paternal discrepancy will be identified in the years ahead, Professor Mark A. Bellis, from the Center for Public Health at the Liverpool John Moores University, and colleagues point out in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

In the United States, for example, rates of paternity testing more than doubled between 1991 and 2001. The increasing use of genetic testing for diagnosis and treatment of disease as well as in judicial procedures will also yield more opportunities to uncover cases where a father, unbeknownst to him, is not the biological parent.

"Modern genetic techniques continue to open a Pandora's box on hitherto hidden aspects of human sexual behavior," the investigators write.

Exposing such situations will inevitably affect not only deceived dads but also their family and potentially the biological father. Leaving paternal discrepancy undiagnosed, on the other hand, leaves those affected with incorrect genetic information that could prove harmful.

What's urgently needed, the authors say, is guidance on how and when paternal discrepancy should be exposed.

At present, most cases that are inadvertently identified are ignored by whoever uncovers the situation.

"However, in a society where services and life decisions are increasingly influenced by genetics, our approach to paternal discrepancy cannot be simply to ignore this difficult issue but must be informed by what best protects the health of those affected," Bellis and colleagues argue.


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KEYWORDS: dads; families; genes; kids; oops; paternity
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What's urgently needed, the authors say, is guidance on how and when paternal discrepancy should be exposed.

I actually know of a family where this happened, in that the wife informed her husband one of the children he raised with her, and believed was his, was actually fathered by another man. The man was devastated and while he continued to be a father to the now grown child, he also divorced the wife.

Not a good situation to begin with.
1 posted on 08/11/2005 12:40:59 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Eventually, someone is going to come up with an inexpensive genetic test, and our whole society is going to fall apart at the seams.


2 posted on 08/11/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: summer
in that the wife informed her husband

Second mistake she made.

3 posted on 08/11/2005 12:43:14 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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However, I am finding it hard to believe this is actually a "new" problem:

"Modern genetic techniques continue to open a Pandora's box on hitherto hidden aspects of human sexual behavior," the investigators write.

What's new is the availability of genetics testing; not the problem.
4 posted on 08/11/2005 12:44:34 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Anyone know the "out of wedlock" birth rate in the Afircan-American community? I have said for a long time that the current AA generation has no idea who the fathers are? I figure the childern in the next generation will have significant health issues relating to this problem because of sib's etc having childern.


5 posted on 08/11/2005 12:44:38 PM PDT by devane617
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To: summer

Disgraceful. Whores.


6 posted on 08/11/2005 12:45:09 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Brilliant

You might be right!


7 posted on 08/11/2005 12:45:26 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

I think in NYC, in some neighbourhoods, among some ethic groups this is true.

The sad thing is these are the lucky kids who HAVE fathers raising them.


8 posted on 08/11/2005 12:45:46 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: devane617

The last I heard it was over 66% with more than 2 out of 3 black kids being born out of wedlock. These problems continue in every aspect of life, education, etc.


9 posted on 08/11/2005 12:46:27 PM PDT by summer
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To: Brilliant

I read in a Sci-fi story once of a 'at home DNA tester' that everyone had, just like a thermometer.

And it was for situations just like this...bring baby home, test DNA, proceed from there.


10 posted on 08/11/2005 12:46:31 PM PDT by najida (I officially have a home-- ~~sigh~~ with ice cubes even.)
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To: devane617
Anyone know the "out of wedlock" birth rate in the Afircan-American community?

It hovers around 70%.
11 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:12 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: summer

And across the pond, Prince Phillip is another statistic ;->


12 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:28 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

sounds like the beginnings of a HUGE lawsuit.
know a guy in this situation. thought he was the father of the child, got the kids name tattooed in huge letters down his forearm. she ran off, hit him up for child support for a while, then in a fit of rage told him he wasn't the father.
he's suing for the return of all the child support.


13 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:47 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: summer; eyespysomething
one out of every 25 dads could unknowingly be raising another man's child

Women are evil. I've never heard of a husband lying to his wife about a child's maternity. Only women do this!

eyespy ... anything you want to tell me?

14 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:51 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: timsbella

Oh geesh, you're right. I couldn't believe how many kids he now admits to perhaps fathering. (He actually doesn't even know, but he knows he could be a lot.)


15 posted on 08/11/2005 12:48:19 PM PDT by summer
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To: timsbella

I meant: the total number could be a lot...


16 posted on 08/11/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by summer
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To: Brilliant
Eventually, someone is going to come up with an inexpensive genetic test, and our whole society is going to fall apart at the seams.

On the contrary, it will enforce moral codes if a love-child cannot be hidden. The stakes of adultery are raised.

17 posted on 08/11/2005 12:48:51 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: summer

-wink- I actually meant Prince Andrew


18 posted on 08/11/2005 12:49:45 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Jaysun
Disgraceful. Whores.

Takes two to tango, me bucko.

20 posted on 08/11/2005 12:50:52 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: summer
"Paternal discrepancy"... Has a nice antiseptic and neutral ring to it.

I suppose it's more polite than a "Ho family".

21 posted on 08/11/2005 12:50:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: summer
Perhaps one out of every 25 dads could unknowingly be raising another man's child, a finding that has huge health and social implications, according to report released Wednesday.

I personally know 3 friends who have found, over time, they weren't their kids dads. One in an emergency room situation involving an accident, he is now widowed and has raised a fine son. The other divorced not long after finding out. The 3rd was a former boss, whose personal secretary didn't do a very good job of keeping the 'secret' of her 2nd child's 'real father' a secret. But he and his wife stayed married, boy did the wife make him pay. And the other woman continued to work for him. Maybe it's more than 25%...

22 posted on 08/11/2005 12:51:01 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: timsbella

I was talking about that youngish prince of what is it, Monaco? He just admitted to fathering the kid of an airline flight attendant, and said he expects other women may soon be making similiar claims.


23 posted on 08/11/2005 12:51:07 PM PDT by summer
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To: devane617
Anyone know the "out of wedlock" birth rate in the Afircan-American community?

Nationwide, 70%. In some communities, 90%.

24 posted on 08/11/2005 12:51:08 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: summer

That is almost as bad as what cow birds do. The cow bird lays its eggs in another birds nest. The cow birds chick hatches first and and is raised by the other birds. The cow bird chicks push the other chicks out of the nest when they are hatched.


25 posted on 08/11/2005 12:51:09 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: summer

Momma's baby....Daddy's maybe.............


26 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:02 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: summer

I know that my dad is real... he's a lazy bastard, I'm a lazy bastard, couldn't be mere coincidence.


27 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:09 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Free Michael Graham!)
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To: summer

Over 66%!! What does that mean when those kids start 'hooking up' with each other- and none of them know if they share a common father!?
How much of that unknown incest is the cause of low IQ's and borderline retardation now?


28 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:15 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: SittinYonder

You won't get out of it that easy, mister. lol


29 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:23 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Refill with only real Kikkoman Soy Sauce)
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To: summer
"Modern genetic techniques continue to open a Pandora's box on hitherto hidden aspects of human sexual behavior," the investigators write.

Oh, yes, lets blame science, shall we?

Men can never inflict a cuckolding on women, but the implication is that we should hide this information from the man unless its absolutely necessary to tell him.

This is another example of liberal bias that has crept into law.

The law in the US (never written, but assumed from old english law by liberal judges) is that the man of the house is de-facto assumed to be the parent, regardless of what the DNA says. While this might have worked in days when men had some control over their wives social outings, this situation does not exist anymore, and no man can make his wife stay home. Yet the old rules persist.

Men should be able to at the very least obtain child support payments from the boyfriend, but I've never heard of this happening.

30 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:32 PM PDT by konaice
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So what will prevent brother/sisters/fathers/daughters etc from having childern? Considering less that 22% of people ever leave thier hometowns, this could be a significant issue in the next few years.


31 posted on 08/11/2005 12:52:57 PM PDT by devane617
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To: summer
Who's Yer Daddy
32 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:05 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Yeah, the whole "hooking up" culture thing is frightening, for many reasons. The HIV rate is reportedly soaring among young people now.


33 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:14 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

To look at me, you'd have no idea who my father is. I am the spittin' image of my mother and always have been. Her pictures and mine at the same age could be the same woman, with different hairdos.


34 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:48 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Lord, I apologize . . . and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea amen.)
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To: Physicist

It's a classic techology debate. Is it good or is it bad? We won't know until it's too late.


35 posted on 08/11/2005 12:54:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: summer
I have a first cousin this almost happened to. His wife played around on him.

At the birth of their third child it became obvious she had some 'splainin' to do. She delivered a mixed race baby.

They promptly offered the baby for adoption and told the family the baby died at birth. The story held up for about 2 days.

They are still together today 20 years later...go figure.
36 posted on 08/11/2005 12:54:04 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: summer

I don't share this worry about my Dad. I have almost a carbon copy of his voice which is distinctive. Also I have tiny teeth just like my Dad. However, I once knew a guy who knew just about for sure that his son wasn't biologically his son. It happened while he was in the navy and was out at sea for months away from his wife. He has accepted what happened but I can tell he does have something of a grudge against his son.


37 posted on 08/11/2005 12:54:50 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: summer

Albert of Monaco, his serene highness (gag). Yes, and those children are all of colour. Thanks, Al, for being part of the solution. No surprise though, his sister has three (4?) children by as many fathers (Stephanie).

Regarding the UK Royals, I meant the ever present curiousity that Andrew might not be Philip's own.

I suppose all those years of royal in breeding are resulting in genetic rebellion.


38 posted on 08/11/2005 12:54:53 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Brilliant

How cheap do you want? A couple hundred dollars is what they cost, but you can't use the results in court. Although I did hear of one man taking the cheap test results to the child support agency and getting his child support obligation cut.

They don't even need blood to work, just scrape some cells from inside the cheeks (mouth cheeks) onto a little swab and send them to be tested.

You can even use hair you pulled from a comb or brush, but I think those are more expensive.

But if you do it, and the test comes out negative, and your wife ever finds out about it, you're mud.


40 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:13 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Bill Cosby made some not-so-funny remarks about inner city people needing DNA cards to make sure they're not screwing with their siblings.


41 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:31 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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And it was for situations just like this...bring baby home, test DNA, proceed from there.

No, just make it another of the tests that is done in the hospital by law, and have the information appear on the birth certificate.

Don't hide it, or make it a private matter, that's part of the problem.

Put it out there in the open for all to see and remove another refuge for the unfaithfull wife.

42 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:38 PM PDT by konaice
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To: devane617

Blood tests before marriage could become popular again, but not for STD's - for family trees. I know my oldest brother is adopted and he insisted for this very reason.


43 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:56 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: summer

Real father is man who rasies the children regardless of the genetics.


44 posted on 08/11/2005 12:57:08 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Without alteration in current behavior the problem will eventually take care of it's self. As sad as that will be to watch.
45 posted on 08/11/2005 12:57:59 PM PDT by devane617
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To: summer

I grew up with a kid that looked like the postman, and his brother just like the milkman ...


46 posted on 08/11/2005 12:58:27 PM PDT by 11th_VA (http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=10481)
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Actually it would just make sure that women get child support from two men instead of just one.

Gives new meaning to spreading the risk...

47 posted on 08/11/2005 1:00:03 PM PDT by frithguild (If I made one mistake, it was that I was too cooperative and waited too long to go on the offensive.)
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Considering less that 22% of people ever leave thier hometowns, this could be a significant issue in the next few years.

Where did that statistic come from?

Not leaving your home town does not make accidental incest more likely. It actually makes it less likely, because you know your own town, (if its small).

Most people know who their relatives are, but not these "mis-fatherd" children.

48 posted on 08/11/2005 1:00:22 PM PDT by konaice
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Anyone know the "out of wedlock" birth rate in the Afircan-American community?

Last statistics available put it at 70%.

49 posted on 08/11/2005 1:00:31 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: tallhappy

"Real father is man who rasies the children regardless of the genetics."

Amen. Dr. Seuss said it best in "Horton Hatches the Egg"

To quote him "and it should be like that, because Horton was faithful he sat and he sat..."

John Singleton illustrated it poignantly in "Boys in the Hood" - absent a father, a man has little direction.


50 posted on 08/11/2005 1:00:49 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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