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"The evolution wars" in Time [Time Magazine's cover story]
National Center for Science Education ^ | 11 August 2005 | Staff

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

The cover story of the August 15, 2005, issue of Time magazine is Claudia Wallis's "The evolution wars" -- the first cover story on the creationism/evolution controversy in a major national newsweekly in recent memory.

With "When Bush joined the fray last week, the question grew hotter: Is 'intelligent design' a real science? And should it be taught in schools?" as its subhead, the article, in the space of over 3000 words, reviews the current situation in detail. Highlights of the article include:

While Wallis's article is inevitably not as scientifically detailed as, for example, H. Allen Orr's recent article in The New Yorker, or as politically astute as, for example, Chris Mooney's recent article in The American Prospect, overall it accomplishes the important goal of informing the general reader that antievolutionism -- whether it takes the form of creation science, "intelligent design," or calls to "teach the controversy" -- is scientifically unwarranted, pedagogically irresponsible, and constitutionally problematic.


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To: aft_lizard
and what physical evidence is there that we evolved from one single creature?

You mean Adam? None whatever.

41 posted on 08/13/2005 6:29:21 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: LogicWings
"Intelligent Design reveals its weakness by the rundundancy of Intelligent Design. As opposed to what unintelligent design or dumb design? The fact that it needs this qualifier demonstrates its failure as a scientific theory.

Bull-oney. Evolutionists can hardly write a paragraph without speaking of "design" and in "intentional" terms. In today's science parlance, the term "design" in no way implies intelligence. The term "intelligent Design" is used to distinguish from the evolutionists' virtually unanimous belief in "accidental design."

42 posted on 08/13/2005 6:29:34 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: aft_lizard
evil is not a physical state, and frankly I dont understand why you brought it up.

You said "everything" so I was just clarifying.

But to answer you question, yes god created evil,as well as good

Then He is responsible for "evil" end of discussion. Not everything He created is good and, therefore, He is not worthy of worship. Unless you are trying to argue that "evil" is "good" which means that words mean nothing.

see he gave us freewill and with freewill we are able to deicde what to call what and when to do it.

Actually this is impossible. He knew my name before I was born and knew all my choices before I was born. I could not act in a manner that contradicted His foreknowledge so He decided long before I was born whether I would be evil, which you admit He created, or whether I would be saved. There is no free will there.

can we say we all evolved from an single cell organism?

Actually the concept of "strange attractors" says that if the conditions were right there were probably billions of cells all came into being at roughly the same time. Just like when the conditions are right there are 100 tornadoes in a given area, if the conditions were right for life billions of cells could have spontaneously sprang into being.

There are billions of species on earth, and only one universe it sits in, yet for some odd reason we can kind of sort of geez, create a theory on how we evolved here yet cannot explain the universes birth.

This is called False Analogy. The comparison of evolution to the Universe's "Birth" are 2 completely separate subjects. You want the harder one solved first before you will accept the closer, easier one valid. To use an Analogy properly, this would be like insisting a doctor perform brain surgery before doctors had learned how to set broken bones.

43 posted on 08/13/2005 6:34:49 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings

Aren't you aware of the First Law of IDiocy? If science can't explain something, Got did it. Or perhaps space aliens.


44 posted on 08/13/2005 6:38:02 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: LogicWings
"This is another one of the nincompoop assertions. What aspect of evolution, is "faith based?"

We could start with the abiogenesis crap in the high school textbooks under the heading Evolution: Origin of Life.

Yes, I know you will object that "how life came to be" is not "Darwinism," but the fact is, the heavyweights in Science Education curriculae in this country unanimously disagree with you. So unless you have a mind to write the first intelligent Biology text, go argue with them.

45 posted on 08/13/2005 6:39:11 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Coyoteman
As a theory it has to stand on its own. So, what is that theory?

More importantly: What is the "Theory of Evolution"? Been here awhile and still haven't seen a ToE, that stands the test of the Scientific Method. Evolution is bad science.

IMHO, WhiteKnight

46 posted on 08/13/2005 6:39:29 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: aft_lizard
and what physical evidence is there that we evolved from one single creature?

I answer this in a later post. But this doesn't answer my question. Evolution doesn't say this.

47 posted on 08/13/2005 6:40:22 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings

aft_lizard, the world needs more people like yourself. Don't ever change ;)


48 posted on 08/13/2005 6:40:24 PM PDT by Cell9
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To: aft_lizard
Maybe I am completely wrong and need to toss some of my books away.

Not a problem that can't be fixed. Please read some of this material:

The scientific method. Wikipedia article. Exhaustive discussion.
What's a Scientific Theory? Encyclopedia article.
The Theory of Evolution. Excellent introductory encyclopedia article.
The Pocket Darwin. Very good, easily readable summary.
Is Evolution Science? It certainly is. Here's why.

49 posted on 08/13/2005 6:44:48 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: LogicWings

Because there is no evidence that these people were communicating with anything but themselves. That is why Mohammed is so significant. Was he talking to Him too? Then why aren't you Muslim?....



Then were is the evidence that all creatures are evolved from the same one that flopped itself on a beach a few billion years back.

Have you ever watched a ape evolve into a neanderthal? Yet it is said they are evolved from them. So you would rather assume that over billions of years all things on this planet evolved from one creature.With unproven, anectdotal evidence.

Well I am done posting for now. Like I said I have no qualms against evolution.

But if people dont want a blurb for ID, then remove evolution altogether and make it an elective in college when the kids are an adult and can choose for themselves what they wish to learn.


50 posted on 08/13/2005 6:45:05 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: WhiteKnight
More importantly: What is the "Theory of Evolution"? Been here awhile and still haven't seen a ToE, that stands the test of the Scientific Method. Evolution is bad science.

This will come as a surprise to a lot of scientists!

Actually, about the only folks with a "Theory of Evolution" problem are religious-based. Try a google search or two. The "Theory of Evolution" is not a problem with 99% of biology, geology or hard anthropology practitioners.

Do I need to post another alternative creation story for your amusement and edification?

51 posted on 08/13/2005 6:47:19 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: PatrickHenry

Man alive, the left is going to beat us to death with this issue. They clearly are grabbing a hold of it and playing it up now, as you predicted.


52 posted on 08/13/2005 6:48:57 PM PDT by ran15
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To: Coyoteman
Do I need to post another alternative creation story for your amusement and edification?

Tell us the one about the one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater.

53 posted on 08/13/2005 6:50:30 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Something must be afoot. The story must have legs. Now is the time for evolutionism to make a mighty case for itself and explain why it should be substituted for the standard practice of science to make direct observations and test them in the real world. Now is the time for evolutionism to explain to the world why its model is better than the one of intelligent design under which science has taken place ever since it began.


54 posted on 08/13/2005 6:52:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: PatrickHenry
Do I need to post another alternative creation story for your amusement and edification?

Tell us the one about the one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater.


Sorry, not in my repertoir. Try the old music lyric pages. But, for your listening pleasure:


Norse Creation Story

In the beginning there was the void. And the void was called Ginnungagap. What does Ginnungagap mean? Yawning gap, beginning gap, gap with magical potential, mighty gap; these are a few of the educated guesses. Along with the void existed Niflheim the land of fog and ice in the north and Muspelheim the land of fire in the south. There seems to be a bit of confusion as to whether or not these existed after Ginnungagap or along side of it from the beginning.

In Niflheim was a spring called Hvergelmir from which the Elivagar (eleven rivers - Svol, Gunnthra, Fiorm, Fimbulthul, Slidr, Hrid, Sylg, Ylg, Vid, Leiptr, and Gioll) flowed. The Elivargar froze layer upon layer until it filled in the northerly portion of the gap. Concurrently the southern portion was being filled by sparks and molten material from Muspelheim.

The mix of fire and ice caused part of the Elivagar to melt forming the figures Ymir the primeval giant and the cow Audhumla. The cow's milk was Ymir's food. While Ymir slept his under arm sweat begat two frost giants, one male one female, while his two legs begat another male.

While Ymir was busy procreating Audhumla was busy eating. Her nourishment came from licking the salty ice. Her incessant licking formed the god Buri. He had a son named Bor who was the father of Odin, Vili, and Ve.

For some reason the sons of Bor decided to kill poor Ymir. His blood caused a flood which killed all of the frost giants except for two, Bergelmir and his wife, who escaped the deluge in their boat.

Odin, Vili, and Ve put Ymir's corpse into the middle of ginnungagap and created the earth and sky from it. They also created the stars, sun, and moon from sparks coming out of Muspelheim.

Finally, the brothers happened upon two logs lying on the beach and created the first two humans Ask [Ash] and Embla [vine?] from them.


55 posted on 08/13/2005 6:52:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: ran15
Man alive, the left is going to beat us to death with this issue. They clearly are grabbing a hold of it and playing it up now, as you predicted.

It wasn't very difficult to predict. The left was drowning in a putrid sea of idiocy, and then the conservatives (some of them) go and toss them a life preserver. Of course they'd grab at it.

56 posted on 08/13/2005 6:52:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro

Most of us don't have to worry; we aren't purple. Although I have no idea what the subtraction of a gall bladder does to one's hue.


57 posted on 08/13/2005 6:53:16 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Coyoteman
Do I need to post another alternative creation story for your amusement and edification?

I didn't find it particularly amusing and so far you have not stated anything that would edify.

What I would prefer is an answer to what should be an easy question; What is the "Theory of Evolution"? For someone as knowlegable as you, this should be easy. Unless of course you are not up to the task?

WhiteKnight

58 posted on 08/13/2005 6:53:30 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: aft_lizard
Every culture across human history has independently came up with its own ID theory.

Every culture has, in some point in the past -- usually neolithic but occasionally later, had a period of religion calling for human sacrifice. This is followed usually by a loving and compassionate God or religious tradition. This is clearly worthy of both scientific and ethical examination.

The incompatibility between ID and science is the acceptance by science that the same rules of chemistry, physics and biology that hold today, also existed in every past period. If this is accepted, ID did not occur.

59 posted on 08/13/2005 6:54:19 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Coyoteman
I have a few springs of Yggdrasil in my yard as relics of this.
60 posted on 08/13/2005 6:55:50 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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