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'The New Gay Teenager'
NARTH ^ | May 23 2005 | Frank York

Posted on 08/13/2005 10:25:42 PM PDT by scripter

[This article is key to understanding what children in public schools might be taught as normal and acceptable. Of course, we're already seeing some of it. If you're remotely interested in this topic you'll want to read the article in its entirety. ]

Gay Cornell University Professor Ritch Savin-Williams argues that teenagers are rejecting gender categories in their pursuit of satisfying sexual relationships. And, he's encouraged by the trend.

Reviewed by Frank York

Professor Rich Savin-Williams in The New Gay Teenager, presents the premise of his book in the first page of his Preface. He observes: "Gay people have historically too readily accepted the inevitability and desirability of divisions based on sexual categories. It's not that same-sex attractions are disappearing--indeed, they appear to be on the upswing as young people more freely share with each other their same-sex feelings. They're not embarrassed by gayness, don't consider it deviant, and see it all around them--on television, in movies, in songs, in cultural icons, among their friends."

Savin-Williams is encouraged by this trend and looks forward to the day when terms like "gay" become irrelevant in public discourse. He notes that more and more teens are becoming pan-sexual in their outlook--and the line between what was once considered "gay" and "straight" is becoming blurred.

The "New Gay Teenager" will be a person who can be attracted to both girls and boys and have sexual relationships with both sexes without guilt. The "New Gay Teenager," then is basically a pansexual or bisexual who rejects all gender categories.

Savin-Williams asks what has resulted in this "dramatic generational shift" between the old generation of gays who maintained that sexual orientation is fixed and unchangeable versus the new teen who views gender categories as unimportant? "Probably the media," says Savin-Williams. He notes: "The success of the entertainment industry in presenting and hence normalizing same-sex desire has had an incalculable impact on the ability of adolescents to understand their own emerging sexual desires." (p. 18).

Another change agent, says the professor is the public school system. He credits Los Angeles Public School teacher Virginia Uribe and her Project 10 program as the pioneer of this effort to normalize homosexuality among teens. The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), says Savin-Williams is following in Uribe's footsteps. He notes that GLSEN-sponsored Gay Straight Alliance clubs have proliferated on high school campuses.

Gay-Affirming Researchers Invented 'The Gay Teen'
Professor Savin-Williams admits in Chapter 2 that gay or pro-gay researchers "invented" the gay teen. "Gay adolescence came to be what we researchers wanted it to be--what we were," says the author. (p. 23). He observes: "... who researchers say is gay and who they chose to provide data determine the outcome" of the research findings.

He criticizes many of the early studies done on gay teenagers because of the problems involved in correctly defining who is gay and who isn't. "Most biological and social scientists assume a categorical sexual orientation, allowing them to contrast heterosexuals with homosexuals. The category of bisexual is often ignored altogether or folded into the gay group. Bisexuals are said to be confused, in a state of transition, not yet having decided just what they are." (p. 30).

Savin-Williams says researchers define sexual identity in a limited fashion and force teens to choose between limited options. "What about young people who identify themselves using a sexual label not provided, such as two-spirit, polysexual, or ambisexual? What about those who span multiple identities, the bi-lesbian or the gay-curious heterosexual?" asks the author. (p. 35)

Determining who's gay and who isn't, is a difficult task, says the professor. It depends on how researchers define the population: by attraction, behavior, or identity.

Savin-Williams presents the results of his own study of same-sex teenagers and draws the following conclusions:

Research Incorrectly But Purposefully Focused On Troubled Gay Teens
Savin-Williams believes that the early studies of gay teens focused on the psychological problems faced by same-sex identified youth. "Being gay, young, and troubled had thus been intrinsically, even purposefully linked. The linkage made grant proposals and justifications for increased educational and mental-health services an easier sell," said the author.

The professor observes that much of the research published during the 70s and 80s was not peer reviewed. In addition, "... all early gay-youth investigations were based on flawed research designs and included small or biased samples of those who sought the services of mental-health or social-support agencies. In defense of these earlier researchers, they have been so pleased to have access to any gay teens that any slippage in standards for methodological rigor seemed relatively inconsequential ..." (p. 57)

Savin-Williams says the "investigators who published these negative findings knew what they were doing. They were aware of their sample limitations, that they had recruited those disproportionately at risk for negative health outcomes and risk behaviors. Yet few attempted to correct this portrait of the suffering gay adolescent." (p. 68) Their goal was to follow the money in getting grants to conduct their research.

Savin-Williams urges researchers to stop focusing on the suffering gay teen and begin promoting the view that gay teens are healthy and fully functioning individuals. He says: "Same-sex attracted teenagers are, in general, indistinguishable from other teens neurologically, anatomically, and chemically." (p. 85)

Early Same-Sex Attractions: A Great Delight
In his interviews with gay-identified teens, Savin-Williams says that "early same-sex attractions for many teenagers are sources of great delight, fond remembrance, and lifetime reverberations; they may even be these individuals' most tender and pleasurable childhood memories." (p. 131)

In Chapter 7, "First Sex," Savin-Williams introduces the subject of gay childhood sexual experiences by noting that Alfred Kinsey and his associates were the first to systematically explore the "onset and nature of sexuality during childhood." (p. 133)

Kinsey argued that humans are naturally sexual and orgasmic throughout childhood and their reluctance to engage in gay sex is often attributable to repressive socialization that doesn't tolerate such behaviors.

"Kinsey found little evidence for the traditional view of childhood's being a time of sexual latency or arrest in sexual development," says Savin-Williams. (p. 134)

Savin-Williams observes: "Regardless of gender of person and partner, if an early sexual contact is not abusive or coercive, then it likely has a positive impact on adolescent and adult sexual arousal, pleasure, satisfaction, and acceptance of various sexual behaviors for self and others. Given the degree of sex negativity in U.S. culture, not all view these seemingly positive results as desirable outcomes. As for general social adjustment, sex among children is seldom associated with either developmental benefits or liabilities. " (p. 135)

An Apologist For Pedophilia?
Throughout Savin-Williams' book, he quotes favorably from Dr. Theo Sandfort's various research on gay males. Sandfort's background, however, is ignored.

Dr. Sandfort is a research scientist on HIV and Associate Clinical Professor of Clinical Sociomedical Sciences at Columbia University. Prior to going to Columbia, Sandfort headed up the Interfaculty Department of Lesbian and Gay Studies at Utrecht University, the Netherlands. He is former President of the Dutch Society of Sexology.

Dr. Sandfort is also on the editorial board of the Dutch pedophile journal, PAIDIKA, and has written favorably on adult/child sex in the past. Sandfort was co-author of "Man-Boy Relationships: Different Concepts for a Diversity of Phenomena," for the special issue of the Journal of Homosexuality, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," published in 1990.

Joseph Nicolosi and Dale O'Leary published an article on pedophilia and referenced Dr. Sandfort's pro-pedophile research in: "On the Pedophilia Issue: What The APA Should Have Known."

Savin-Williams favorable use of Dr. Sandfort--without providing background on his his involvement in the pedophile movement--is evidence of the propagandist nature of his writings. Savin-Williams is perfectly comfortable with gay children and teens having sex with each other. His position on adult/child sex is not directly stated but his use of a PAIDIKA board member as a cited resource seems to imply approval.

Sexual Identity Formation
Professor Savin-Williams observes that it is difficult to tell how many teens self-identify as gay because researchers use so many different methods for assessing sexual identity. Among them are: They admit to themselves that they're gay; they consider themselves gay; they describe themselves as gay; they realize they're gay; they have an identity of being gay; they label themselves as gay; and they know they're really gay.

He notes that this current generation of teens label themselves at a much earlier age than in the past. It has decreased by five years among males and more among females--from ages 21 down to 16. A second trend is that sex differences in the age of self-identification have largely disappeared.

The author notes several problems with studies purporting to show the age at which teens identify as gays. One is that researchers confuse sexual identity with sexual orientation, "calling it one thing and measuring the other." (p. 165) Another problem is that many samples are unrepresentative.

He says that female teens are now more likely to use labels other than gay to describe their sexual feelings. "Indeed, only a minority of same-sex-attracted women say they are lesbian. Bisexual is more often preferred," said Savin-Williams. (p. 168). Females also refer to themselves as ambisexual; bi-queer; fluid bisexual; heterosexual-identified bisexual; pan-sexual; polyfide; and more.

Bisexuality is another identity that is resistant to categorization into heterosexual or gay identities. According to current literature, says the author, bisexuals are considered to be in transition to heterosexuality or homosexuality. He notes that many teens are also rejecting the bisexual term as well. They see it as too limiting.

Rejecting Deficit Models Of Gay Teens
Savin-Williams wants researchers to reject the deficit/troubled teen model when they study gay teenagers. "It is not too late for social scientists to reclaim the study of gay adolescence and assert their place as the proper and rightful scholars for developing knowledge about same-sex attracted adolescents. The first step is for them to apply appropriate levels of methodological rigor and sophistication in their investigations. The second is to appreciate the diversity of same-sex attractions and individuals." (p. 186)

Savin-Williams also urges scholars to "break traditional barriers that prohibit a forthright, positive discussion about sexuality with adolescents. (p. 190)

He says the message that scholars should send is that gay teens are diverse and can develop into resilient, coping, healthy adults. "We can deliver this message without ignoring those who are suffering, sometimes to the point of ending their lives. ... It is this message that we need to articulate loudly and clearly, and to support in the pages of our professional journals and in the media. Perhaps then teenagers--and others as well--can hear it and believe it." (p. 193)

Savin-Williams concludes his polemic in favor of unrestrained sexual activity for gay identified teenagers by stating: "It is my fervent hope that what is being achieved in the real world [in the entertainment industry] can be achieved in scholarship. I hope to see the elimination of same-sex sexuality as a defining characteristic of adolescents in my lifetime. If it can be relegated to insignificance, the lives of millions of teens will be dramatically improved." (p. 223)


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What the author is saying is that sexuality is fluid, and he's not really saying anything we don't already know. What most folks don't realize is that sexuality can flow from heterosexual to homosexual, and of course from homosexual to heterosexual. There is a growing number of ex-gays.

We (society as a whole) need to get educated on the subject that gays can successfully leave the lifestyle.

Checkout: I Do Exist and People Can Change. Check my profile for pointers to the latest information.

1 posted on 08/13/2005 10:25:43 PM PDT by scripter
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To: little jeremiah

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2 posted on 08/13/2005 10:25:59 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter
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3 posted on 08/13/2005 10:26:51 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

I've never felt my sexuality to be fluid. I still remember the summer when I was 12 and girls suddenly became interesting and scary in a way that required absolutely no thought or reflection on my part.


4 posted on 08/13/2005 10:30:44 PM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: scripter

This whole article is a load of ....


5 posted on 08/13/2005 10:39:47 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: cambridge
I've never felt my sexuality to be fluid.

For most folks it doesn't feel fluid at all - it depends on numerous factors with environment being the major factor. The entire issue is quite complicated and cannot be easily summarized, although IMO the following article does an excellent job of it: How might homosexuality develop? Putting the pieces together

6 posted on 08/13/2005 10:40:15 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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Got news for 'ya: we've got 3rd-year college kids at work (a semester-long cooperative-studies program with a very notable East Coast 'polytechnic') and almost 2 out of 3 of the kids already don't quite act like they're "screwed together the right way 'round", so to speak…


7 posted on 08/13/2005 10:40:42 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: scripter

"The new gay teen will be attracted to both male and female"


Also know as bisexuals. Nothing new about it.


Greedy bastards if you ask me. LOL


8 posted on 08/13/2005 10:42:36 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (The defense of our nation should begin at the borders...Mr President?.....George?)
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To: Clock King
From everything I've read on the issue in the past few years, I'm afraid we're heading this way and fast. High school children are already complaining that there are only two choices to select for gender on some forms.

The issue of bisexuals have always been a problem for proponents of the born gay theory. And lately the growing number of ex-gays are providing even more problems to the born gay proponents. It's possible this article is the forerunner to a whole new tact at normalizing homosexuality.

9 posted on 08/13/2005 10:45:34 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

Ever since they took Biology out of the schools and replaced it with "sex ed" taught by homosexuals, pedophiles and other sexual deviants, teen-aged, young skulls full of mush have become confused as to what gender they are. Bring back Biology.


10 posted on 08/13/2005 10:47:35 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: scripter
Savin-Williams observes: "Regardless of gender of person and partner, if an early sexual contact is not abusive or coercive, then it likely has a positive impact on adolescent and adult sexual arousal, pleasure, satisfaction, and acceptance of various sexual behaviors for self and others.

This guy sounds like Professor DeCecco at SFU, who just so happened to be the editor of PAIDIKA - a publication similar to what NAMBLA members might subscribe to.

11 posted on 08/13/2005 11:03:25 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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He says the message that scholars should send is that gay teens are diverse and can develop into resilient, coping, healthy adults.

And they can also turn into resilient, coping, healthy heterosexuals. They just need to know that option is available...

12 posted on 08/13/2005 11:05:05 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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I'm irate over teaching sodomy in the public school! Thank God my kids made it through college without losing their family values.

But the sodomites appear to be pushing their vile, destructive agenda ever harder each new school year.

13 posted on 08/13/2005 11:14:16 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

I really believe we can help stop their agenda by educating parents, pastors, community leaders and youth (age appropriate) of the growing number of ex-gays.


14 posted on 08/13/2005 11:17:19 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: ncountylee
Predator Alert!

Gee, Imaging pulling down $100,000 a year to as a professional pedophile and having tenure and complete immunity from prosecution. Michael Jackson is going about his hobbies in a very inefficient way

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Ritch C. Savin-Williams

Professor, HD, Martha Van Rensselaer Hall , Cornell University

Current Professional Activities

Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies; and Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Studies

Current Research Activities

Dr. Savin-Williams' current research interests focus on the psychological well-being of same-sex attracted youth and adults.

15 posted on 08/14/2005 12:07:56 AM PDT by Antioch (Flannery O'Connor: “evil is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be endured”)
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To: scripter
Homosexual chickenhawks used to have to lurk around public toilets, hoping to snare an unwary youth into their perverted deathstyle.

Now they are honored teachers and professors, and practically brag about their access to teens.

16 posted on 08/14/2005 2:31:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Antioch

Bingo. What you said. GMTA.


17 posted on 08/14/2005 2:33:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Antioch

Speaking of schools and what is taught there..

It was over 15 years ago, shoot 20 years ago, I was in middle school and we had a sex ed class. There were diagrams of how STD's could be transmitted and where they could be transmitted. Anyway, I remember looking at the male and female figures and wondering why the male(and female but more importantly the male) diagrams had a red dot on the @ss.

I was not real sure what that meant. How can a man get a STD from his @ss? Well wake up America that was 20 years ago and I bet they got better graphics now and also have people willing to tell you how that can happen, even if you don't want to know.

Any freepers that still have their children in school ever sit in on the "Sex Ed" class? I would love to hear the juicy details. Seriously, I think we need to reign in the out of control education system in this country.

I pray if I have to send my new boy to a public school that some teacher doesn't tell me he has to take some drugs because he can't sit still in class. If I don't hurt the teacher I will make sure they lose there job!

About 8 years ago I was stationed in Va Beach, VA and one of my buddies was dating a teacher. This teacher taught normal elementary school children. Over 50% of these kids had to take pills during the schoold day. WTF is that? I had one guy allergic to white milk in my school. It is an outrage! Kids standing in line after recess to gulp down a pill because the teacher can not control, or interest them. Or, perhaps the teachers have been neutered in their ability to keep the kids attention, i.e. not able to punish bad children.

Writing this just made me more pissed. If it had the same effect reading it sorry folks but we as a nation need to be more pissed.


18 posted on 08/14/2005 2:40:14 AM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: cambridge
I still remember the summer when I was 12 and girls suddenly became interesting...

What!!? It took you 12 years to know it?

19 posted on 08/14/2005 3:00:10 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: ncountylee

This whole discussion firms up my feeling: I WOULD RATHER CUT OFF MY RIGHT ARM THAN TO SEND MY KIDS TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL


20 posted on 08/14/2005 3:06:58 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: CarrotAndStick
C'mon....real little boys all think girls are 'icky', even if cute. Have you never read Calvin & Hobbes?!
21 posted on 08/14/2005 3:19:49 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: BookaT
Keep in mind this guy's base of operation...

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Things have certainly changed everywhere. ONE generation ago, parents big worry was grades. And now? It's a constant battle over the physical and spiritual welfare, on top of marks. Everyone wants a piece of your kids. Remember Channel One? They promised educational TV in class would modernize education and give more time to teacher/child interaction. What crap! It degenerated into commercialism and indoctrination in no time. Who could have ever imagined gay activists getting class time to indoctrinate and normalize homosexuality and getting FULL support from teacher's unions and school boards. And now, Ritalin and Prozac for 7 year-olds- to raise their grades, to give them the best shot at life. Horsesh!t! ADHD is a marketing invention of Ciba Gigi-period. The disorder simply didn't exist when I was in school-now 1/3 of kids have this "physical" disease? Riiight. Don't look to the FDA to step in and put a stop to it. Big Pharma owns academic medicine and the DSM. These people are FRIENDS with each other since med school and business college. They golf and go to the same spas together. Could they stop the massive fraud behind Vioxx, PhenPhen, Progesterone, Ritalin and off-labelling SSRIs? Poor kids. You're right, Booka, it is all gone. School is a very dangerous place in 2005. (/rant)

22 posted on 08/14/2005 4:07:55 AM PDT by Antioch (Flannery O'Connor: “evil is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be endured”)
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23 posted on 08/14/2005 4:24:44 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: cambridge

I've never felt my sexuality to be fluid.




I still remember (when I was about 12) the first time my sexuality became fluid .


24 posted on 08/14/2005 4:34:29 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: scripter
High school children are already complaining that there are only two choices to select for gender on some forms.

Then they should be told to get the f$%k over it because only two genders exist.

25 posted on 08/14/2005 5:13:59 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03
only two genders exist

To you and me, sure. For today's youth (and some adults), it's all about how you feel on the inside at any specific time. The issue of gay teens being attracted to male or females could be the launching of a new type of sexuality with a mix of transgenderism.

26 posted on 08/14/2005 8:54:17 AM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Antioch
He's gayer than gay...he's meta-gay...he's transcendentally gay...he's fabulous.

( ;-D

27 posted on 08/14/2005 9:01:44 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: scripter

""Gay Cornell University Professor Ritch Savin-Williams argues that teenagers are rejecting gender categories in their pursuit of satisfying sexual relationships. And, he's encouraged by the trend."'

so homosexuality is a choice, not something your born with?


28 posted on 08/14/2005 9:02:33 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: atlanta67
so homosexuality is a choice, not something your born with?

That would be a logical conclusion to the article, but that's definitely not what they are trying to communicate. What's unfortunate is they can't see the obvious or they refuse to see the obvious.

29 posted on 08/14/2005 9:06:02 AM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: scripter

it is sort of like the left promoting pro-choice and pro-gay is something youre born with messages.

then I guess it is ok to abort fetuses that are suspected to be gay


30 posted on 08/14/2005 9:16:04 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: BookaT; Antioch
Well said (both of you).

we as a nation need to be more pissed.

I can't say this enough. Our culture needs to get educated on the subject and take action but few ever really do anything about it. IMO, more folks (many, many more) need to yank their kids out of public schools.

31 posted on 08/14/2005 9:18:55 AM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: cambridge

An average boy loses the 'icky' feeling they have for girls by age 7 - 8, after that, the 'icky' feeling is used due to peer pressure, when, deep inside, they don't consider girls to be that much 'icky'. 12 is a bit late, but don't worry, different people grow up differently.


32 posted on 08/14/2005 10:19:14 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: scripter
Savin-Williams observes: "Regardless of gender of person and partner, if an early sexual contact is not abusive or coercive, then it likely has a positive impact on adolescent and adult sexual arousal, pleasure, satisfaction, and acceptance of various sexual behaviors for self and others.

Sounds like a pedophile to me. Why isn't this pervert in prison?

33 posted on 08/14/2005 11:02:22 AM PDT by darkangel82
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Sounds like a pedophile to me. Why isn't this pervert in prison?

Because in academia, gay activists have replaced the term pedophilia with the more benign "intergenerational love" That way predators like Savin-Williams can indulge and get funding for their perversions. Read this individual's published reseach- it's basically just his sickness dressed up in academic weasel words in his desperate attempt to feel normal.

34 posted on 08/14/2005 11:38:03 AM PDT by Antioch (Flannery O'Connor: “evil is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be endured”)
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To: Pharmboy
Could this prof BE any more repulsive? Mentally undressing those frat boys with his hollow possessed shark eyes.. yikes!

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35 posted on 08/15/2005 3:10:55 AM PDT by Antioch (Flannery O'Connor: “evil is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be endured”)
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To: scripter

After the 9th circus ruling that we have no right to object to what is taught in public school, I'll definitely be finding a way to get my daughetr out.


36 posted on 11/08/2005 9:15:21 AM PST by Sterm26 (Indict....no, HANG Joe Wilson!)
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To: cambridge
I've never felt my sexuality to be fluid.

Mine is. I drift from blondes to brunettes to redheads, all in about an hour.

37 posted on 11/08/2005 9:18:01 AM PST by Always Right
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To: scripter
Professor Savin-Williams admits in Chapter 2 that gay or pro-gay researchers "invented" the gay teen. "Gay adolescence came to be what we researchers wanted it to be--what we were," says the author. (p. 23).

He admits he skewed the research, molded it to fit the researchers, misled teens - or what we used to call 'lied'. Little wonder, then, that he was such a follower of the 'research' of Kinsey et al.

In Chapter 7, "First Sex," Savin-Williams introduces the subject of gay childhood sexual experiences by noting that Alfred Kinsey and his associates were the first to systematically explore the "onset and nature of sexuality during childhood." (p. 133)

I wonder, does he follows up the research with the effects of his pan-sexuality tweaking - i.e. is it fair then given what he's said about how he's invented (misled) his research, to assume that some straight teens, teens without pan-sexual leanings, have been misled or coerced or suggested to try sexuality that didn't feel led to and may have led to conflict?

38 posted on 11/09/2005 9:08:05 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: scripter; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
Dad Says His Son 'Damaged' by Homosexual Indoctrination at State-Sponsored Program
39 posted on 02/11/2006 2:37:41 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: scripter
I skimmed this.

With many relegating their kids to liberal preschools and public schools there is an OPEN encouragement and acceptance of this. They now have books for preschoolers and kindergartners praising being "gay". Such as this:

Gay Dads: A celebration of Fatherhood

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585422312/qid=1139699775/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-1126359-1237704?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

Notice how they are all star reviews. They don't appear to allow reviews with less than 5 stars.

Here's another one:

How It Feels to Have a Gay or Lesbian Parent: A Book by Kids for Kids of All Ages

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1560234199/qid=1139700381/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-1126359-1237704?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

and another

What Are Parents?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0975369903/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-1126359-1237704?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

This book is directed to preschool and elementary kids. Heterosexual families are FROWNED ON.

Again directed to those in preschool and elementary school:

Emma and Meesha My Boy: A Two Mom Story

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1413416004/ref=pd_sim_b_3/102-1126359-1237704?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

Molly's Family

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0374350027/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-1126359-1237704?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

Felicia's Favorite Story

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0967446856/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-1126359-1237704?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

A review was negative so it was removed because it "offended" another homosexual reviewer. You see, on Amazon, you can't express your opinion if it hurts the feelings of a homosexual.

Okay, enough specifics on how homosexuals

ARE TARGETTING YOUR KIDS AT YOUNG AGES!
40 posted on 02/11/2006 3:53:06 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: scripter

NAMBLA ALERT !!!!!

"Gay Cornell University Professor Ritch Savin-Williams argues that teenagers are rejecting gender categories in their pursuit of satisfying sexual relationships. And, he's encouraged by the trend."

The problem is the growing influence of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association. One of their objectives is the repeal of age of consent laws.

NAMBLA Home Page: http://216.220.97.17/

Here is a link to an ACLU page, where they are defending the “rights” of two murderers, both gay, of a 10 year old boy. One was possession of NAMBLA material: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/Rage/NAMBLARAGEPAGE.html


Here are two links that discuss NAMBLA and pedophilia: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431\
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/nambla_exposed.htm

Here is a news story about 7 NAMBA members that got busted in a sex sting. Two were teachers. They were planning a trip to Mexico to have sex with boys as young as 8: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147645,00.html

Here is a story where NAMBLA was busted for illegally using a non-profit organization as a front to promote its goals: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/NAMBLA.html

Information about NAMBLA and related issues including Child Sex Trade: http://www.2500aday.com/2500_mainindex/nambla.html

Organized Child Molesters: http://www.radiance.m6.net/myrrh/doc-orgs.html

They've also been profiled on America's Most Wanted.


41 posted on 02/11/2006 3:55:58 PM PST by George - the Other (400,000 bodies in Saddam's Mass Graves, and counting ...)
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To: nmh
Here's another list of children's books that demonstrates the radical homosexuals are trying to desensitize young children.

Title Author Age Group



123 A Family Counting Book Bobbie Combs, Danamarie Hosler
4-8
ABC A Family Alphabet Book Bobbie Combs, Desiree Keane
4-8
All Families are Different Sol Gordon, Vivien Cohen
4-8
Daddy's Roommate Michael Willhoite
4-8
Felicia's Favorite Story Leslea Newman, Adriana Romo
Preschool
Duke Who Outlawed Jelly Beans Johnny Valentine, Lynette Schmidt
4-8
Heather Has Two Mommies Leslea Newman, Diana Souza
4-8
How My Family Came to Be: Daddy, Papa and Me Andrew R. Aldrich, Mike Motz
4-8
Jack & Jim Kitty Crowther
4-8
Jenny Lives With Eric and Martin Susanne Bosche, Andreas Hansen
All
King & King Linda De Haan, Stern Nijland
4-8
King & King & Family Linda De Haan, Stern Nijland
4-8
Molly's Family Nancy Garden, Sharon Wooding
4-8
My Two Uncles Judith Vigna
4-8
Oliver Button Is a Sissy Tomie De Paola
4-8
The Daddy Machine Johnny Valentine, Lynette Schmidt
4-8
The Family Book Todd Parr
4-8
The Sissy Duckling Harvey Fierstein, Henry Cole
4-8
Who's in a Family Robert Skutch, Laura Nienhaus
4-8

42 posted on 02/11/2006 4:21:28 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

I gave a few of them reviews of my own. I'm curious if Amazon will allow a different "opinion" to be listed. Or do they require 5 star reviews?


43 posted on 02/11/2006 6:04:52 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Antioch; Behind Liberal Lines

City of Evil Bump!


44 posted on 02/11/2006 8:32:36 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: scripter; governsleastgovernsbest; bentfeather; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...
Gay Cornell University Professor Ritch Savin-Williams argues that teenagers are rejecting gender categories in their pursuit of satisfying sexual relationships. And, he's encouraged by the trend.

Ithaca is the City of Evil.


45 posted on 02/11/2006 10:45:36 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: scripter

Read later.


46 posted on 02/11/2006 10:54:28 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Thanks for the ping. The Lehigh University Alumni Association has decided to form a Gay and Lesbian Lehigh Alumni Council. This made me go back and research articles in the school newspaper. It turns out the the administration in an effort to promote "diversity" has been openly supporting this deviant lifestyle for the past five years.

Another one bites the dust.
47 posted on 02/12/2006 4:59:56 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Code Pink, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the womyn)
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To: scripter
Professor Ritch Savin-Williams

The guy's parents couldn't spell his first name and he can't figure out what his last name should be. No wonder he can't figure out what sex is.

48 posted on 02/12/2006 5:05:18 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I'm beginning to think that "nuke them from orbit" quote needs to be dusted off and re-examined.

It makes more and more sense.

49 posted on 02/12/2006 5:24:37 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: CPOSharky
actually his "life partner" must be a WASP goy.......and he so loves his wonderful full life with his "life partner" that he took said WASP goy's last name hyphenated so now maybe he will look better in Filson or Barbour...that is my guess

they are ALL SELF INDULGENT NARCISSTIC NEUROTIC PRISSIES AND HAVE NO BUSINESS TEACHING OUR CHILDREN SQUAT.....THE WORST QUALITIES IN WOMEN AND THE WORST IN MEN COMBINED.....SELF OBSESSED STRUMPETS.....ENOUGH ALREADY...BACK IN THE CLOSET WILL YA?

Anyone whose identity is wrapped up in the abnormal fecal orifice they desire for sex should be relegated to the perversion they are...nothing more.
50 posted on 02/12/2006 5:40:36 AM PST by wardaddy (Guns, God, Abortion is Murder, Private Property, Borders,My Culture, Break Islam....any questions)
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