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The Case Against Intelligent Design. The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
The New Republic ^ | 8/11/05 | Jerry Coyne

Posted on 08/15/2005 9:18:06 AM PDT by hc87

Exactly eighty years after the Scopes "monkey trial" in Dayton, Tennessee, history is about to repeat itself. In a courtroom in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania in late September, scientists and creationists will square off about whether and how high school students in Dover, Pennsylvania will learn about biological evolution. One would have assumed that these battles were over, but that is to underestimate the fury (and the ingenuity) of creationists scorned.

The Scopes trial of our day--Kitzmiller, et al v. Dover Area School District et al--began innocuously...

(Excerpt) Read more at tnr.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; creationism; crevolist; enoughalready; evolution; intelligentdesign; makeitstop; notagain
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Long, but good article on evolution and intelligent design by a professor from the University of Chicago. Everyone play nice now!
1 posted on 08/15/2005 9:18:07 AM PDT by hc87
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To: PatrickHenry

Evolution Ping.


2 posted on 08/15/2005 9:18:50 AM PDT by hc87
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To: hc87

I forgot to mention that The New Republic requires (free) registration. Sorry about that.


3 posted on 08/15/2005 9:20:41 AM PDT by hc87
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To: hc87

Well, that's a good way to kill a thread before it even gets started.

;-)


4 posted on 08/15/2005 9:22:22 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Quicquid peius optimo nefas])
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To: hc87

It all depends on whether anyone in Dover, PA is interested in a career in actual science.


5 posted on 08/15/2005 9:27:18 AM PDT by johnny r
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To: From many - one.

self ping


6 posted on 08/15/2005 9:30:43 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: hc87

I am not the result of random interactions between matter and energy over time. Evolution is stupid.


7 posted on 08/15/2005 9:41:10 AM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: msf92497

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html


8 posted on 08/15/2005 9:44:12 AM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: msf92497

"I am not the result of random interactions between matter and energy over time."

Also every particle of your body has an exact, observable position and velocity.


9 posted on 08/15/2005 10:02:52 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: Moral Hazard

Heisenberg is not the issue.


10 posted on 08/15/2005 10:07:54 AM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: hc87

Interesting that a political magazine supporting Democrats and a leftist domestic agenda would choose this topic to highlight.


11 posted on 08/15/2005 10:08:54 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 290 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

12 posted on 08/15/2005 10:09:35 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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"Heisenberg is not the issue."

So you're only personally exempted from certain laws of physics, and the Heisenberg uncertainty principal isn't one of them? How about relativity?


13 posted on 08/15/2005 10:12:10 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: tallhappy
Interesting that a political magazine supporting Democrats and a leftist domestic agenda would choose this topic to highlight.

Why is that interesting?

14 posted on 08/15/2005 10:17:27 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: msf92497

Nice link- thanks


15 posted on 08/15/2005 10:19:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: hc87

Even if they somehow "prove" that man evolved from soup...they'll still have to explain who made the soup...and the ingredients for the soup....and the recipe for the soup....and why.


16 posted on 08/15/2005 10:21:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: malakhi
Leftist MSM choose their topics for a purpose.

Most recent example, Rove on both Newsweak and Timid the same week.

New Republic is better than those two, yet it is still agenda driven.

Space is valuable and for the editors to choose to use it for any domestic issue means it is important to them and is felt to be important for the Democrat and left wing agenda for shaping US public opinion and policy in the long run.

Why is criticism of "Intelligent Design" considered important to furthering the Democrats success and the move left of this country?

17 posted on 08/15/2005 10:23:54 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: hc87

Let us begin by stipulating that "Inherit the Wind" did not tell the truth about the Dayton trial, and I am not just talking about the usal Hollywood spin on a story. Bryan, for instance, opposed evolution in part because he opposed social darwinism. Because of his populism and his opposition to the war, he was already in ill favor with the Eastern Establishment. But it goes beyond that. Darrow was may "enlightened" but he was also as nasty as the Horbeck character that Gene Kelley played. Even though "Hornbeck" was supposed to be Mencken, much of what he said actually came out of Darrow's mouth at the time.


18 posted on 08/15/2005 10:25:32 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 08/15/2005 10:30:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: tallhappy
Why is criticism of "Intelligent Design" considered important to furthering the Democrats success and the move left of this country?

That's amusing on a number of levels. ID has become more prominent in the past weeks because advocates for it have stepped up their efforts to use political and legal means (rather than actual science) to advance their cause. President Bush's comments a few weeks ago also made the subject more newsworthy. Now that others are responding to this, it is they who are advancing an agenda?

This is not a left vs. right issue. Turning it into such will only be detrimental to the Republican Party.

20 posted on 08/15/2005 10:32:12 AM PDT by malakhi
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