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Muslims unite! A new Reformation will bring your faith into the modern era
timesonline ^ | 8/11/2005 | Salmon Rushdie

Posted on 08/17/2005 4:32:08 PM PDT by abu afak

WHEN Sir Iqbal Sacranie, head of the Muslim Council of Britain, admitted that “our own children” had perpetrated the July 7 London bombings, it was the first time in my memory that a British Muslim had accepted his community’s responsibility for outrages committed by its members.

Instead of blaming US foreign policy or “Islamophobia”, Sacranie described the bombings as a “profound challenge” for the Muslim community. However, this is the same Sacranie who, in 1989, said that “Death is perhaps too easy” for the author of The Satanic Verses. Tony Blair’s decision to knight him and treat him as the acceptable face of “moderate”, “traditional” Islam is either a sign of his Government’s penchant for religious appeasement or a demonstration of how limited Mr Blair’s options really are.

Sacranie is a strong advocate of Mr Blair’s much-criticised new religious hatred Bill that will make it harder to criticise religion, and actually expects the new law to outlaw references to Islamic terrorism. He said as recently as January 13: “There is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist. This is deeply offensive. Saying Muslims are terrorists would be covered [ie, banned] by this provision.” Two weeks later his organisation boycotted a Holocaust remembrance ceremony in London, commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz 60 years ago. If Sir Iqbal Sacranie is the best Mr Blair can offer in the way of a good Muslim, we have a problem. ...."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamicreform; islamicreformation; pipedream; reformation; religion; salmonrushdie
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1 posted on 08/17/2005 4:32:08 PM PDT by abu afak
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To: abu afak
He said as recently as January 13: “There is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist. This is deeply offensive. Saying Muslims are terrorists would be covered [ie, banned] by this provision.”

Wanna Bet on this Igbal?

2 posted on 08/17/2005 4:35:06 PM PDT by rocksblues (I support the war on terror)
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To: abu afak
Muslims Unite

No thanks. That causes problems.
3 posted on 08/17/2005 4:39:35 PM PDT by Borges
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To: abu afak

Gotta admire the guy's chutzpah.


4 posted on 08/17/2005 4:42:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: abu afak

Oy, reformation, schmeforation. Why don't they just convert to Christianity, its more advanced than moon-boy.


5 posted on 08/17/2005 4:46:00 PM PDT by evolved_rage (I've done it now.......)
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To: abu afak
"... good Muslim..."

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6 posted on 08/17/2005 4:47:15 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: abu afak

After reading the Quran it is painfully obvious that it is not the literal "word of god"
but the rantings of a seventh century merchant who was diluded into believing he was a prophet.
He may have been schizophrenic.

As Mr. Rushdie so eloquently asks in the article;
Why would God be influenced by the socioeconomics of 7th-century Arabia, after all? Why would the Messenger’s personal circumstances have anything to do with the Message?


7 posted on 08/17/2005 4:49:27 PM PDT by homewithkids
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To: abu afak
The main problem with Muslim reformers is that they typically wind up with their heads separated from their bodies by their fellow jihadists.
8 posted on 08/17/2005 4:51:08 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: homewithkids
As Mr. Rushdie so eloquently asks in the article; Why would God be influenced by the socioeconomics of 7th-century Arabia, after all? Why would the Messenger’s personal circumstances have anything to do with the Message?

And isn't it interesting how the "peaceful, tolerant Muslims" won't lift a finger to have the bounty on Rushie's head removed?

I am always leery of any group that goes nonlinear when faced with constructive criticism.

9 posted on 08/17/2005 4:53:08 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Prime Choice; SJackson; Alouette
"""As Mr. Rushdie so eloquently asks in the article; Why would God be influenced by the socioeconomics of 7th-century Arabia, after all? Why would the Messenger’s personal circumstances have anything to do with the Message?"""

The Koran Reads like a War Manual in Parts and clearly we are looking at Mohammed's experience and not Divine revelation. In fact, The Koran changes with Mohammed's mood on many things like Jews and others as the conquest proceeds.

10 posted on 08/17/2005 5:01:39 PM PDT by abu afak (abuafak@yahoo.ie)
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To: abu afak

Mohammed was "the last prophet". There can be no reformation of Islam.

Those who seek reformation should scrap their faith in the bloodcult and return to the original Biblical texts or the New and/or Old Testaments as Christians or Jews.

Mohammed's religion is a religion of AN antiChrist as it is the only religion to recognize the existance of Jesus yet denies His divinity, His crucifixtion, and His resurrection. Mohammed has led the flock astray.

If they accept Christ, they should convert to Christianity, if they still reject Him, they should convert to Judaism.


11 posted on 08/17/2005 5:01:59 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: Prime Choice

As I understand it, the original bounty/fatwa on his head has been lifted. However there are some who have refused to accept that, so his life is still threatened.


12 posted on 08/17/2005 5:03:45 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: weegee
As I understand it, the original bounty/fatwa on his head has been lifted. However there are some who have refused to accept that, so his life is still threatened.

The fatwa was decreed by the Ayatollah Khomeini. Only his spiritual successor can lift it. None have.

13 posted on 08/17/2005 5:05:17 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: evolved_rage

My thoughts exactly. Could even see room for them to convert to Judaism (although they would still deny Christ).

Doubt that there are many muslims in the Middle East who survive converting from Islam to any other faith let alone many muslims who convert from Isalm to Judaism.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 5:06:19 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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Re: #11

LOL! Okay, okay... even though we're both on the same side with this issue, that was rife with inaccuracies.


15 posted on 08/17/2005 5:09:56 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: homewithkids
After reading the Quran it is painfully obvious that it is not the literal "word of god" but the rantings of a seventh century merchant who was diluded into believing he was a prophet.

He may have been schizophrenic.

True. But in all honesty, reading the writings of the Apostle Paul can give the neutral observer the exact same impression.

16 posted on 08/17/2005 5:12:26 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Prime Choice

I agree and if you've read the Satanic Verses you would see that it is really for nothing.
The book is mediocre at best and never actually refers directly to mohammed but uses pseudonyms instead.


17 posted on 08/17/2005 5:15:32 PM PDT by homewithkids (no tags; just me)
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To: weegee
Mohammed's religion is a religion of AN antiChrist as it is the only religion to recognize the existance of Jesus yet denies His divinity, His crucifixtion, and His resurrection. Mohammed has led the flock astray.

Who is the one being that would want Jesus rejected by people and permanently separated from God?

Allah = Satan

18 posted on 08/17/2005 5:17:26 PM PDT by ThomasNast
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To: ThomasNast

True but I don't know if Mohammed is THE AntiChrist or just AN antiChrist.

Depends on how far his followers take this, I guess.


19 posted on 08/17/2005 5:22:26 PM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: abu afak
Islam and the 'modern era' are, no pun intended, fundamentally incompatible!
20 posted on 08/17/2005 5:37:12 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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