Every single troll is an ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC!
Posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:37 AM PDT by thorlock
I am an independent and have become uneasy about what is happening in Iraq. The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other. What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists. I realize this was not our goal, but the reality is our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted.
How does this benefit the US?
Damn Jimmy Carter.
We need to stay camped on their doorstep regardless of what the Iraqis want.
Don't we always say our country is founded on Christian principles? Islam is actually based on Judaism and Christianity, so the principles that underlie it can't be too far off those we hold sacred. But like Judaism and Christianity, there are many forms of Islam. Some are repressive. I sure hope Iraq doesn't adopt not that harsh form they had in Afghanistan, and I doubt they will. People wouldn't stand for it -- no booze, no movies, no music, and women unable to drive or hold public office or vote. It's not a bad thing to say that Islamic principles provide the basis for the new republic, let's just see what it means before we start fussing about the falling sky.
We must be wary that events do not tarnish what should be a great legacy by our President.
Yeah, I keep hearing about this revolution, and that would be a good thing. I'm not so sure it will happen though. The mullahs can keep their citizens in line by mentioning the boogeymen in Iraq.
Agreed.
But our enemy is not "terrorism" it is fundamental Islam.
I wish the Administration would emphasize this -- if the rest of us say this, we are resoundingly slapped down (i.e., look at what happened to Michael Graham)...
My problem is not with your questions, but with your ASSUMPTIONS.
You assume that things in Iraq are awful.
You assume that the Iraqis will mess up the chance they have been given.
You assume that whatever the Iraqis choose, if not what we would choose, would be a disaster.
In my opinion, we may not like how they choose to construct their Constitution, but maybe their leaders have figured out a way that it will work for THEM.
And now I have a few questions for you.
1) How long are you willing to give the new Iraqi Constitution?
2) Do you think that our troops are doing a good job in Iraq?
3) If we didn't remove Saddam, and by the way uncover the corrupt Oil-For-Food, would we be in a stronger position with an Iraq ruled by Saddam who would have surely been released from sanctions?
4) Do you think the people of Iraq were better off now or then?
1) How long are you willing to give the new Iraqi Constitution?
Before what?
2) Do you think that our troops are doing a good job in Iraq?
Yes, though I believe they could be doing better if they had a bigger presence.
3) If we didn't remove Saddam, and by the way uncover the corrupt Oil-For-Food, would we be in a stronger position with an Iraq ruled by Saddam who would have surely been released from sanctions?
Don't understand this question, why would Saddam have surely been released from sanctions?
4) Do you think the people of Iraq were better off now or then?
In some ways they are better off and in some ways worse. I am more concerned with are WE better off.
I am not saying we have failed. I am asking how an Islamic regime will benefit us.
On the constitution - I don't have an answer.
I did not realize sanctions were about to be removed, can you provide a link about this? I would certainly have been against it.
The only way I'll be able to see if removing Saddam was in our best interests is to see what the new government brings - if it brings an alliance with Iran, then no. If it is friendly to the US, then yes.
You began this by saying it was going to be ruled by Islamofascists. You are a fraud and a waste of time. The truth (as best we can know it right now) has been explained to you. All the good that did was to cause your rhetoric to cool a bit...from Islamofascist state to Islamic state. That is something, but you are just as ridiculous with your strawman as ever. Adios.
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Every single troll is an ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC!
Another live one to pave over.
It will be declared an Iraqi version of democracy and a victory for our side ;-)
If you will remember recent history, the former Soviet Union also had its version of basic human rights, their version of fair trials and an extensive slate of candidates, albeit all communists, for every election with participation levels by the populace exceeding any western nation by a wide margin.
Whatever piece of paper they finally wind up with or what they call it is irrelevant. It will be the implementation that will show the world exactly what form of government they have decided to give the Iraqi nation.
Is there some weird reason they don't always ban right away?
Maybe they need to wait for more offences, so it becomes an actionable harassment case then.
Can't be that. They would have a perfect right to ban me if they didn't like the cut of my jib, or for no reason at all.
There is nothing wrong with debate. Some people have some valid questions while others are complete jags. It is always fun to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Believe me, there are some real pricks on FR who make some trolls look like the Pope.
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