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Freeper Investigation: The Truth behind Cindy Sheehan and theLeft-Wing Propaganda machine
Research | 8-24-2005 | Thanatos

Posted on 08/24/2005 4:53:41 PM PDT by Thanatos

Freeper Investigation: Cindy Sheehan "Vigil" and "Anti-War Protests" Fake, all bought and paid for by George Soros.

I have been reading the stories on Cindy Sheehan and her "Valiant Vigil" at "Camp Casey" as the "Peace Mom" on AP, CBS, AFP, Reuters, etc... and now the "I Shall Return" announcements and speeches being reported about in the wires. I noticed a similarity in each and every story I read. Each referenced one or another "Spokesperson" named Michelle Mulkey, Mike Smith, Steve Smith, Ryan Fletcher. Well, I did a quick investigation and I found that with the exception of Ryan Fletcher, each of these persons are "Account Executives for "Fenton Communications".

What is Fenton Communications you ask? and what the heck are Account Executives??? Well, to put it simply, Fenton Communications IS a major part of the "Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy". Fenton Communications is a Left-Wing Public Relations Corporation with revenues in the Millions. It has a financial powerbase that has grown exponentantly since 1998 due to the massive infusion of cold cash from Left-wing clients, grants, and whatnot not the least of which is from billionaire George Soros's "The Tide Foundation" , Hollywood elites, and Foreign Sources. It's stated purpose is to provide "Public Relations" services to Left-of-center clients who advocate "Social Change" theories. (For those who do not know, the Communist Manifesto is based directly upon the "Social Change" Doctrine of Karl Marx (as rewritten by FREDERICK ENGELS January 30, 1888 London). "Social Change" is the basis of the "Progressive" movement of today. In other words, out and out Communism.) Account Executives are the guru's who think up ways to "PR" their clients, whether it is in a good way or a bad way.. It does not matter to a Public Relations Account Executive, as long as the Client's purposes are served and the 3 basic guidelines (The 3 C's) are covered (Confidence, Coverage, and Controversy).

You have all seen the power and ability of this "Vast Left-Wing Organization" to promote it's Anti-American, Anti-Capitalist propaganda. What seems to be a bunch of "Non-Profit" Left-Wing organizations out there each promoting their own screed, (ex.. Moveon.org, democraticunderground.org, Gold Star Families for Peace, etc..) They are in reality all one group and all are the brainchildren of the Account Executives at Fenton Communications. Their Proudest Achievement is Moveon.org. Here is a quote from Fenton Communications "About Us" webpage:

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Fenton Communications is the largest public interest communications firm in the country. Since 1982, Fenton has contributed to some of the most defining social change movements of the past quarter century, from the fall of apartheid to the rise of MoveOn.org as a grassroots political force.

“When we were looking to hire a PR firm, we wanted one with the expertise and professionalism of a corporate firm, and the heart and values of an organization that cares about our issues as much as we do. With Fenton, we have a true partner that gets us results.”

-Michelle Sawatka, Director of Media Relations, The American Lung Association

With our clients, we've waged winning campaigns on a broad range of issues. We've exposed human rights injustices and corporate corruption and moved the needle on environmental toxins and the death penalty.

Fenton is small enough to be nimble and inventive but big enough to supply a full range of services, from strategic planning and media relations to advertising and online marketing. Our offices in Washington, D.C., New York and San Francisco use the same sophisticated tools as corporations and governments, harnessing them for social change.

We aren't guns for hire. Fenton has always been selective about the clients we work with. We choose not to represent clients and projects that we don't believe in ourselves. This policy serves not only our goals but also our clients' best interests.
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Who are the "Puppet Masters" behind Cindy and the whole country wide "Controversy"???

From The West coast (Left Coast) we have:

MICHELLE MULKEY
ACCOUNT DIRECTOR

Michelle Mulkey, an account director at Fenton’s San Francisco office, has provided strategy, communications support and publicity on a range of public interest issues, including progressive politics, voting rights, public and children’s health, education reform and environmental protection.

As the lead strategist for Texans for Truth, the advocacy group that provided a Democratic answer to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 election, Mulkey helped expose President Bush’s missing year of service during the Vietnam War. During the 2004 election, she also worked for MoveOn PAC, Common Cause, NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation and People for the American Way on voter turnout and voting rights protection.

Mulkey leads Fenton’s work with Christian, Evangelical and interfaith groups to protect the environment. Her media outreach on behalf of the “What Would Jesus Drive?” and Detroit Project campaigns helped make fuel economy a hot-button issue. And she has placed clients including MoveOn.org and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. on “The Today Show,” “The O’Reilly Factor,” “CNN American Morning” and “Hardball,” among others. She has also served as a key staffer on education reform issues in California for the Hewlett Foundation.

Mulkey has a broad range of experience developing branding and communications strategy plans for groups including the Ad Council, Oregon Natural Resources Council and Save The Bay. She also provided research and legislative strategy for the Polly Klaas Foundation’s legislative agenda to protect kids from family abduction.

Mulkey graduated from Green Corps, an environmental leadership training program, after earning her B.A. in history from Pepperdine University.

MIKE SMITH
ACCOUNT DIRECTOR

Mike Smith, an account director in Fenton’s west coast office, brings years of experience in media relations, positioning and branding, strategic communications, marketing and Web site. He specializes in public health, politics and social justice, and example clients include the American Medical Association, the Polly Klaas Foundation, Infact and National Voice, the organization behind the NOVEMBER 2 campaign that registered and turned out a record number of new voters for the 2004 election.

Smith has integrated proven corporate PR strategies into public interest communications from his prior work with the Horn Group, a high-tech public relations firm, WetFeet, a publisher and Internet site for career and recruitment information, and Odwalla, where he conducted marketing outreach, events, donations and sponsorships with community and grassroots organizations. Smith also wrote and developed advertising campaigns for The Onion Newspaper. He received his B.A. in English from Colorado College with minors in journalism and African studies.



From the East coast (Washington DC) we have:

STEVE SMITH
ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE

Account Executive Steve Smith brings a rich background in environmental issues to Fenton, where he works with clients including MoveOn.org, the MoveOn Voter Fund, and MoveOn PAC. Prior to joining Fenton, Smith was a media officer at Greenpeace USA, where he secured national coverage for the group in publications such as The New York Times and Washington Post. His media relations work on the U.S. government's highly publicized criminal case against Greenpeace for protesting Amazon mahogany lumber helped frame the issue as a victory for free-speech and peaceful protest in the media, including The Miami Herald, The Denver Post, a cover story in The Miami New Times, as well as a major segment on CBS Evening News.

Smith also worked with Greenpeace International during the 2003 5th Ministerial Meeting of the World Trade Organization in Cancún, Mexico, garnering media coverage in Spanish-speaking press, including numerous affiliates of Univisión, and Telemundo, and El Nuevo Herald in Miami. Prior to that, as the campaigns director assistant at Greenpeace, Smith spearheaded several projects, including outreach to recruit youth activists. He holds a double degree in international affairs and Spanish from the University of Colorado at Boulder, and studied at the Universidad de Alcalá de Henares in Madrid.

New York City:

DAVID FENTON
CEO

David Fenton, named as “One of the 100 most influential P.R. people of the 20th Century” by PR Week magazine, founded Fenton Communications in 1982 to create issue-oriented public relations campaigns focusing on the environment, public health and human rights. Over the course of two decades, he has pioneered the use of professional P.R. and advertising techniques by nonprofit public interest groups in the United States and around the world.

Fenton is also a co-founder of three independent nonprofit organizations: Environmental Media Services, which coordinates communications activities for environmental groups; New Economy Communications, which works on human rights issues in the global economy; and the Death Penalty Information Center. Fenton was formerly director of public relations at Rolling Stone magazine and co-producer of the “No Nukes” concerts in 1979 with Bruce Springsteen, Bonnie Raitt and other artists. He is a native of New York City.



That's all fine and dandy, but how do they get all this stuff into the press?? Well, that is actually one of the easiest things to do. A Public Relations firm does just about everything for you, from "Pitching" the stories to the interested reporters and if they need to , they will actually write the news storie and feed them to members of the press who put their names on it and submits it as their own work. Some of these "Journalist" will get paid on the side, other times, they are people looking to get promoted or "Ahead" in their fields and will use these activism stories as stepping stones to anchor jobs or bureau chiefs. Two very well known AP "Journalist" who provide a conduit into the "Main Stream Media" for these Left-Wing Public Relations companies are RON FOURNIER (For Political Stories) and KATHLEEN HENNESSEY (Environmental and Activism Stories). You may not know this, but there is a monopoly of how news is sent to newspapers, tv stations, web sites, Radio Stations, etc.. There is no competing news organizations, no such thing. The "Main Stream" networks may have some stories that they will feed to their affiliates, but 98% of all the news you see on the internet, television, radio, and print (newspapers and magazines) are originated from the Associated Press. This is no made up number. This is fact. You can contact any local news outlet and ask them where they get their news. It is either from AP or their Affiliate news feed. This is why when news is reported around the nation, it is consistent and deviates very little from one place to another (word for word it is the same). Oh sure, you have heard of UPI, AFP, Reuters.. Those are regional newsgathering organizations, but they all get their news from the Associated Press exclusively. (Deep thought for those who think: If you wanted to get rid of the "Main Stream Media" all you have to do is disband the Associated Press and most "Main Stream" news organizations will fall faster then a French Military Retreat).

Watch the news cycle for this particular "Public Relations Project" Code named "Peace Mom" and apply the above to the next news story and see how you will see it in a completely different light.

If anyone is interested on pursuing this further and actually "Connect all the Dots" on this vast left-wing conspiracy, then here are other Left Wing Public Relations and foundations you may want to check out:

PR Groups:

Douglas Gould
Fenton Communications
Hauser Group
The SPIN Project
Spitfire Strategies



Major Left-Wing Funding groups:

The Tides Foundation

I do not need to post any other "Funding" group as 80% of them are actually affiliated with the George Soros Tides Foundation. Start from there and work your way down the funding chain and you will find 98% of the Left wing 527's, 501c's, websites, etc.. are all owned by George Soros.



Projects the vast Left-Wing propaganda machine has perpetuated over the past few years:

Fenton Communications:

Education:

What We Don't Know is Killing Us

Enviromant:

What Would Jesus Drive?
Give Swordfish a Break
Saving Environmental Gems
Taking a Stand on Headwaters Forest
California's Vanishing Wetlands
Fast, Cheap, Clean Energy

Health:

Preventing Violent Deaths
American Lung Association
Liquor-Free TV
Breast Cancer Victories

International:

Nike, Just Do It
Dalai Lama U.S. Tour
Iraq Policy Information Project
Teaching Torture
Human Rights in Guatemala

Legal:

Nazi Slave Labor
Taking Enron to Court

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender:

Dr. Laura's Homophobia
Colin Higgins Courage Awards
Point Foundation Scholars
San Francisco's Historic Marriage Moment
Straightforward Publicity

Media and Culture:

Introducing the Real John Travolta
Vietnam War Widows

Social and Economic Justice:

Taking on the SAT
Affordable Housing: Good for Kids' Health
Corporate Tax Repeal Defeated

Woman, Families, and Youth:

Amber Alert Goes National
Girls Sports get a Boost from Soccer
Juvenile Injustice
Honoring Polly Klaas' Memory
Keeping Kids on the Right Track


FENTON COMMUNICATIONS CLIENTS - PAST AND PRESENT
Education Environment
Foundations
Health
International
Law Firms and Legal Organizations
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender
Media and Culture
Politics and Democracy
Social and Economic Justice
Socially Responsible Businesses
Women, Families & Youth

American Indian Higher Education Consortium
Springboard Schools
Campaign for College Opportunity
Citizens for Effective Schools
The Civil Rights Project at Harvard University
Council of Chief State School Officers
Education Trust-West
National Geographic Society
New Hampshire College
Pencil
Teach for America
UCLA Institute for Democracy, Education and Access

Alaska Wilderness League
Alliance to Save Energy
California Council of Land Trusts
California Public Interest Research Group (CALPIRG)
California Safe Schools
Center for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Technologies
Center for Genetics & Society
Center for Marine Conservation
City Parks Forum
The Detroit Project
Earth Institute
Energy Foundation
Energy Future Coalition
Evangelical Environmental Network
Environmental Law Foundation
Environmental Law Institute
Environmental Media Services
Environment Now
Environmental Working Group
ForestEthics
Future 500
Greenpeace
Interfaith Climate & Energy Campaign
Marion Institute (for Wangari Maathai, the 2004 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate)

Marine Aquarium Council
Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District
Monterey Bay Aquarium
National Center for Bicycling
National Council of Churches
National Environmental Trust
National Religious Partnership for the Environment
Natural Resources Defense Council
The Natural Step
The Nature Conservancy
Ocean Law Project
Oregon Natural Resources Council
Pew Wilderness Center
Peninsula Open Space Trust
President’s Council on Sustainable Development
Rails to Trails
Rainforest Action Network
Save the Bay
SeaWeb
Sierra Club
Sonoma Open Space District
Truckee Donner Land Trust
Trust for Public Land
Union of Concerned Scientists
World Wildlife Fund

Arsalyn Foundation
Benton Foundation
California Endowment
Columbia Foundation
David and Lucile Packard Foundation
Doris Duke Charitable Foundation
Environmental Law Foundation
Goldman Environmental Foundation
Heinz Family Foundation
Horizons Foundation
James Irvine Foundation
John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
John Merck Fund
John Templeton Foundation
Joyce Foundation
McKnight Foundation
Open Society Institute
Pew Charitable Trusts
Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund
Tides Foundation
Turner Foundation
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation

America’s HealthTogether
American Lung Association
American Medical Association
American Speech-Language-Hearing Association
Angel Wings Patient Outreach (Ashcroft vs. Raich Supreme Court case)
California Medical Association Foundation/ Pharmacy Partnership
Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
Cancer Prevention Coalition
Center for Alcohol, Marketing and Youth
Center for Accessible Society
Center for College Health and Safety – Education Development Center
Center for Food Safety
Center for HIV Identification, Prevention, and Treatment Services
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists
Cystic Fibrosis Foundation
Generation Rescue
George Washington University-Ensuring Solutions for Alcohol Problems
Harvard School of Public Health
Health Consumer Alliance
Health Care Without Harm
Interstitial Cystitis Association
Leukemia and Lymphoma Society
Medical Students for Choice
Mount Sinai Center for Children and Environmental Health
National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences
National Library of Medicine
National Sleep Foundation
Physicians for a Violence-free Society
Prostrate Cancer Foundation
San Francisco AIDS Foundation
Trauma Foundation
White House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine
White House World AIDS Day Summit


African Wildlife Foundation
Amnesty International
Burma Project of the Open Society Institute
Center for International Policy
Civilian Research and Development Foundation
Council for a Parliament of the World Religions
Heifer International
HOPE for African Children Initiative

International Campaign for Tibet and the Dalai Lama
International Forum on Globalization
Nelson Mandela - Presidential Election
NetAid
TransAfrica
United Nations Development Program
United Nations Foundation
World Resources Institute

American Trial Lawyers Association
Bushnell, Caplan & Fielding, LLP
Lerach Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman Robbins LLP
Lieff, Cabraser, Heimann & Bernstein, LLP
Milberg, Weiss, Bershad, Hynes & Lerach, LLP
National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers O’Quinn & Laminack
Prison Law Office
Waukeen Q. McCoy, Esq.
Wilner, Klein & Siegel
Youth Law Center

Colin Higgins Foundation
Equality California
Equality Forum
Freedom to Marry
Gill Foundation
Horizons Foundation
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission
The Point Foundation
Woodhull Foundation

"A Force More Powerful" (PBS)
“A Woman’s Place” (PBS)
The Ad Council
Air America Radio
“An American Love Story” (PBS)
“Bellevue” (HBO)
“The Bubble of American Supremacy” (George Soros)
“Bush Family Fortunes” (Greg Palast and disinfopedia.com)
“Crimes Against Nature” (Robert Kennedy, Jr.)
Current TV (Al Gore)
“Dirty Pictures” (Showtime)
“The Great Divide: Retro vs. Metro America” (John Sperling)
“The Impossible Will Take a Little While” (Paul Loeb)
“In Good Conscience”
“In These Times”
Island Press
“It’s Elementary “(PBS)
“Livelyhood” (PBS)
“Monumental”
“Outfoxed” (Robert Greenwald)
Out of the Blue Films, Inc.
The Phillips Collection Calder Miro Exhibit
Princeton University Press (StraightForward)
“Regret to Inform” (PBS)
“Rich Man’s War” (album by Steve Earle)
Salon.com
“Silver City” (John Sayles/Newmarket Films)
“Strong in the Broken Places” (Max Cleland)

America Coming Together
Americans for Campaign Reform
Arianna for Governor
Campaign for America's Future
Center for Volunteer and Nonprofit Leadership of Marin
Common Cause
Fourth Freedom
Hip Hop Action Summit
Military Families Speak Out
MoveOn.org
NAACP Voter Fund

National Voice New Democracy Project – “What We Stand For” Conference
Next Ten
Our Nation's Capital
Public Policy Institute of California
RealVoices.org
Rock the Vote
Texans for Truth
True Majority
Vote Watch
Win Without War

American Academy of Arts and Sciences
American Friends Service Committee
Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities
Businesses for Social Responsibility
California Council for the Humanities
Center for Democracy and Technology
Congress for New Urbanism
Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety
Corporate Accountability International (formerly Infact)
Death Penalty Information Center
Echoing Green
Global Exchange
Global Security Institute
Front Line Defenders (Ireland)
Institute for Policy Studies
John F. Kennedy School of Government
Justice Policy Institute and Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice
Justice Project
National League of Cities
National Low Income Housing Campaign
National Urban League
National Voting Rights Institute
New Economy Communications
Northern California Coalition for Immigrant Rights
Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
Osborne Association
People For the American Way
Public Citizen
Service Employees International Union
UNITE (Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees)

ABC Home & Planet
Align Technology
Ben and Jerry’s
Bion Technologies
Bluewater Wind/Arcadia Windpower
Body Shop
CERES Environmental Solutions
Green Mountain Coffee
HealthGrades
Kashi Cereal
No Sweat Apparel
Patagonia
Rodale Press
Seventh Generation
Solar Energy Industries Association
Washington Freedom Soccer Team
Working Assets Long Distance

Annie E. Casey Foundation/Corporation for Supportive Housing
Breast Cancer Action
The Breast Cancer Fund
California Breast Cancer Research Program
California Breast & Gynecological Cancer Treatment Task Force
California Council for Reproductive Freedom
Center for Reproductive Law & Policy
City Year New York
Columbia Center for Children’s Environmental Health
Consumers Union
Feminist Majority Foundation
Global Fund for Women
Housing America
Institute for Equality in Marriage
Kids and Cars
Million Mom March
NARAL Pro-Choice America
National Council for Research on Women
National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association
Planned Parenthood Action Fund
Pro-choice Public Education Project
Polly Klaas Foundation
Population Action International
Safe Passages
Women for Women International
Women’s Funding Network
Women’s Institute for Leadership Development for Human Rights
Youth Service America


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KEYWORDS: cindy; cindysheehan; collective; commies; communications; fenton; fentoncommunications; fundingtheleft; georgesoros; leftwing; machine; media; mintwood; ncc; propaganda; publicrelations; sheehan; soros; traitor
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To: Thanatos
Looks like Soros won't get his money out of Al-Sheehan.

The Dims are not embracing her because of her extreme leftist, self destructive comments.

She might cause trouble with their (fake) shift to the middle. :)

61 posted on 08/25/2005 4:47:37 PM PDT by Earthdweller (The leftist MSM's message got out. The American people rejected it.)
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To: Thanatos

Nice read. You would think Maverick McCain would be all over something like this. [/sarcasm]


62 posted on 08/25/2005 6:03:07 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (A Plaming Democrat gathers no votes)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Keeping this one bumped. Everyone needs to read this. Best expose' yet.


63 posted on 08/25/2005 8:10:55 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Thanatos

Wow! Thank you for doing the "grunt work" in researching all of this.


64 posted on 08/25/2005 8:34:26 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Thanatos

FYI
David Fenton spent the late 60's and the early 70's in Ann Arbor Michigan where he lived and worked with a group calling itself "White Panthers" He edited some vile political newspaper there. He went on to work with Morris Dees at SPLC. Ambitious little sh.....


65 posted on 08/25/2005 8:47:04 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: Thanatos
"Those people are now the new "Left Wing Puppet Masters" on the National Stage."

You just scared tha pants off of me. I did not put 2 and 2 together. But you are correct.

These people are very dangerous and will never let up until they over-turn the US into socialism.

BTW, good to see you again, been awhile my friend.

66 posted on 08/25/2005 9:42:16 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Thanatos
Great work, not that we are surprised that ol Soros is dumping $$ into her acct!! Wonder if her mom even had a stroke???

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

67 posted on 08/25/2005 9:48:47 PM PDT by bray (Pray for the Freedom of the Iraqis from Islam)
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To: WVNan

bump!


68 posted on 08/26/2005 12:50:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Thanatos
The word is getting out!! Whoo Hoo!

Here is a story from a television in San Francisco

PR Machine Behind Cindy Sheehan: ABC7 Looks At The Financing Of 'Camp Casey'
69 posted on 08/26/2005 12:28:21 PM PDT by Thanatos
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To: Thanatos
If viewing their web site, Fenton Communications actually explains that they have the newspapers and TV news producers in their pockets.

The left furnishes them with their own "experts", "studies", "sources" and quotes.

Amazing. I would love to find out all the names of these producers, editors, and journalists.
70 posted on 08/26/2005 12:38:23 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: TaxRelief

Bump to check later.


71 posted on 08/26/2005 12:56:23 PM PDT by Rocko ("The ratio of damn fools to villains is high." -- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Thanatos

Excellence In Research Bump!


72 posted on 08/26/2005 1:41:05 PM PDT by auboy
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To: Thanatos; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; Blue Scourge; Cool Multiservice Soldier; ..

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73 posted on 08/26/2005 1:45:01 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Never Forget)
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To: Thanatos

We need the Pat Robertson doctrine.


74 posted on 08/26/2005 1:47:50 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's code and found a terrorist message.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


75 posted on 08/26/2005 2:47:32 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Thanatos

Good work. Bump and Bookmark


76 posted on 08/26/2005 3:19:29 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (WWW.TEACH-YOUR-KIDS.COM)
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To: Thanatos

Very interesting. Thank you. I never saw that movie (for obvious reasons).


77 posted on 08/26/2005 4:26:23 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Smartass

Interesting stuff!

Thank you!


78 posted on 08/26/2005 8:05:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: dixiechick2000
The Cindy Sheehan show is being produced, choreographed, and funded by a number of radical left wing organizations. And of course, to no earth shaking surprises, the MSM is soaking it up like a dry sponge as a grieving weeping mother.

79 posted on 08/26/2005 8:13:24 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

Yep!

They usually overplay their hand, though. ;o)


80 posted on 08/26/2005 8:15:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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