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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
NOAA - NHC ^ | 28 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/28/2005 2:38:16 PM PDT by NautiNurse

Extremely dangerous Hurricane Katrina is bearing down on the North Central Gulf of Mexico and New Orleans metro area. Thousands of people did not evacuate New Orleans. Outer bands of Katrina are reaching the Louisiana coast.

Due to the size and intensity of this storm, all interests in the North Gulf of Mexico should be in their safe locations.

The following links are self-updating:

Public Advisory Currently published every 3 hours 5A, 8A, 11A, 2P, etc. ET
NHC Discussion Published every six hours 6A, 11A, 6P, 11P
Three Day Forecast Track
Five Day Forecast Track
Navy Storm Track
Katrina Track Forecast Archive Nice loop of each NHC forecast track for both three and five day
Forecast Models
Alternate Hurricane Models via Skeetobite
Bouy Data Louisiana/Mississippi

Buoy Data Florida

Images:


New Orleans/Baton Rouge Experimental Radar Subject to delays and outages - and well worth the wait

Mobile Long Range Radar Loop

New Orleans/Baton Rouge Radar

Ft. Polk, LA Long Range Radar Loop

Northwest Florida Long Range Radar

Storm Floater IR Loop
Storm Floater Still & Loop Options
Color Enhanced IR Loop

Other Resources:


Hurricane Wind Risk Very informative tables showing inland wind potential by hurricane strength and forward motion
Central Florida Hurricane Center
New Orleans Web Cams Loads of web cam sites here. The sites have been very slow due to high traffic
New Orleans Music Online Couldn't resist--love that jazz
Golden Triangle Weather Page Nice Beaumont weather site with lots of tracks and graphics
Hurricane City
Crown Weather Tropical Website Offers a variety of storm info, with some nice track graphics

Live streaming:

WWL-TV/DT New Orleans (WMP) - mms://beloint.wm.llnwd.net/beloint_wwltv
WVTM-TV/DT Birmingham (WMP) - mms://a1256.l1289835255.c12898.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1256/12898/v0001/reflector:35255
WDSU-TV/DT New Orleans (WMP) - http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38202.asx
Hurricane City (Real Player) - http://hurricanecity.com/live.ram
ABCNews Now (Real Player) - http://reallive.stream.aol.com/ramgen/redundant/abc/now_hi.rm
WKRG-TV/DT Mobile (WMP) - mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518

Category Wind Speed Barometric Pressure Storm Surge Damage Potential
Tropical
Depression
< 39 mph
< 34 kts
    Minimal
Tropical
Storm
39 - 73 mph
34 - 63 kts
    Minimal
Hurricane 1
(Weak)
74 - 95 mph
64 - 82 kts
28.94" or more
980.02 mb or more
4.0' - 5.0'
1.2 m - 1.5 m
Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2
(Moderate)
96 - 110 mph
83 - 95 kts
28.50" - 28.93"
965.12 mb - 979.68 mb
6.0' - 8.0'
1.8 m - 2.4 m
Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3
(Strong)
111 - 130 mph
96 - 112 kts
27.91" - 28.49"
945.14 mb - 964.78 mb
9.0' - 12.0'
2.7 m - 3.7 m
Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4
(Very strong)
131 - 155 mph
113 - 135 kts
27.17" - 27.90"
920.08 mb - 944.80 mb
13.0' - 18.0'
3.9 m - 5.5 m
Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5
(Devastating)
Greater than 155 mph
Greater than 135 kts
Less than 27.17"
Less than 920.08 mb
Greater than 18.0'
Greater than 5.5m
Catastrophic building failures possible


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: hurricane; hurricanekatrina; katrina; tropical
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To: mercy

Pressure is NOT going to crush it like a tin can. That is bad science. You also DO NOT open doors or windows in a tornado and or hurricane. You will compromise the entire structure.


301 posted on 08/28/2005 3:11:46 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Moose4

That's kind of my point - it's too late to try aerial evacuation.

However, evacuation by rail should still be a viable option. Load up the boxcars and flatcars, chain locomotives at the front and rear and firewall the throttles. Should get out pretty quick - people weigh a lot less than what those things usually haul.


302 posted on 08/28/2005 3:11:57 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: LibSnubber
If a gun were to go off in the Dome with that many people in it, all hell could break loose.

That's understandable.

The problem is . . . . . there's no place for the good guys to stash their weapons, and they'll be sorely needed in the aftermath. So then what?

303 posted on 08/28/2005 3:11:57 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Strategerist

yeah but NHC didn't have it going that far west...

I think that is what the Mayor was looking at.....


304 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:05 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: mercy

no. I can understand that NO may have a crime issue, but during this event, with women and children lined up for an emergency evacuation, can't they take a time out?


305 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:21 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: lightman

I think you need to take into consideration is that water being 1000 times denser than air has an unbelieveable moving force itself compounded along with the windspeed. This is WAY worse than an f3 tornado or mere wind alone.


306 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:36 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: MikeinIraq

"Anything to get the storm to weaken."

People keep commenting on how huge the eye is, when in actuality, a large eye is indicative of weakening. It's the tight eyewalls that are the really bad ones, counterintuitive though that may seem.

The wildcard here is that New Orleans is so subject to widespread flooding that will remain long after the storm is gone. Beyond that obviously problematic difference, I really think the town will fare OK, just as many a city in FL has, just as Charleston, SC did, and will be back to a semblance of normality in a year's time, just as the aforementioned were.

People just love a good scary story, and there's a lot of that going on, here, and particularly with the news media, who stand to gain ratings by exaggerating the threat, IMHO.


307 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: myprecious

Always someone around with a lot of common sense. ; )


308 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:40 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: MikeinIraq
Latest water vapor

Latest Visible Sat Pic

From the NOAA website:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/satellite.shtml

309 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:41 PM PDT by GRRRRR (We have better people in America than Cindy Sheehan....)
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To: NautiNurse

back later


310 posted on 08/28/2005 3:12:59 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: B-Chan
In the end, we are Americans, and Americans are notoriously difficult to kill. Chins up, gang.

Love that spirit!

311 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:08 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier { Wisc. })
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To: MizSterious
Any "nutjob with a quick temper and a quicker trigger finger" [& able to take out a lot of people in a place like the Super Dome] is a terrorist ......in my mind.

They search people at all sporting & concert events as well.

312 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:08 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: NautiNurse
I'm up the road in Gonzales, LA. I don't expect to have too much wind. I may lose a few shingles and a little siding. I hope that's all the wind damage that I get. I'm a little worried about drainage and could get water in the house, but even that isn't as big a threat as what most folks are facing. I'm not in an evacuation area and don't want to be on the roads when others need to evacuate for their safety. I may also be called to the plant because I'm on the fire crew. I can get to and from the plant on back roads that others aren't using. I'll likely be without power for a few days. I'll be back when the power is. Good luck to Freepers living south and east of here.

Thanks,

Bill

313 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:08 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: TADSLOS

I am afraid so.

It would have to be nearly a historic weakening for it to really matter at this point.


314 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:08 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: WestCoastGal

It's an old tornado myth....

Actually the WORST thing to do in a building in a tornado (or hurricane) is open any windows or doors.

Buildings don't explode from the low pressure; they loose their roof from air getting into the building through openings and lifting the roof off.

Unfortunately the whole "you need to open a window thing" was actually in NWS brochures in the 1950s, and it's been impossible to kill this bad advice since.


315 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:23 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: MikeinIraq

Had Andrew hit only five miles north of where it did, much of Miami would have been devastated.


316 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CaptainTrips
Someone explained earlier that the Super Dome will be like an island.

However Moose pointed out that the snakes also head for the highland too, along with rats, fireants, etc.

317 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:29 PM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: spectre

Shep has encountered the "legend of the hurricane party" and unfortunately, those who have died in previous "hurricane parties" don't seem to have much effect on those who are bent on going to one now. My idea of a hurricane party would be to go to Des Moines Iowa, then get out the party hats. No sense of adventure here.


318 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:33 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: B-Chan

"Don't despair, folks. Every one of those high-rise hotels and other buildings in New Orleans is built upon steel pilings that are embedded in bedrock. By law they have to be, because New Orleans' soft soil will not support multistory construction built upon surface foundations. These structures will survive the winds and floods. The people in these buildings can survive as well as long as they stay above the fourth floor and lie low to avoid flying glass and other missiles during the strike itself.

As far as the aftermath goes, a big-city hotel is actually a pretty good survival shelter: solid concrete and steel construction, wide stairways, and plenty of sleeping space. Water is readily available in a hotel: every toilet in the building will have 1-3 gallons of clean, drinkable water in its tank, and then there are the big hot water heater tanks and indoor swimming pools that can be drained. The toilets won't flush anymore of course, but human waste can be disposed of by simply throwing it off a balcony. As far as food goes, it's a fact that healthy people can survive two to three weeks without any food at all, but then again there are are vending machines on every floor and you'd be surprised how long a person can live on a diet of Fritos and Diet Dr Pepper provided they have access to potable water. The pantries and minibars will contain food as well. Liquor from the bar can be used as a disinfectant, tranquilizer, and anesthetic if necessary. And there are clothes, blankets, soap, and other amenities to spare. "

Worth Repeating!!
I think some self defense (12 ga.) is another wish list tem.

Maybe fuel too for some cooking - keeps the spirits up too.


319 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:41 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: milagro
What in the WORLD is more powerful than God--and right now we need ALL the prayer warriors on FreeRepublic praying that our Lord send His mightiest angels to do battle with this storm.

So God tallies up the prayer count, and if there's not quite enough votes for intervention, he does nothing?

320 posted on 08/28/2005 3:13:57 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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