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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
NOAA - NHC ^ | 29 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/29/2005 2:47:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Gondring
"Unfortunately, the Mississippi River is not static, and brings more silt every day, so eventually the storm needed to breach the levees will be much smaller than what would be required today."

Excuse me, but what do you think "Mississippi river silt" has to do with breaching levees?? The levees that might be breached are on Lake Ponchartrain---not the Mississippi, and the silt load of the Mississippi is dropped WAY out in the Gulf (which is why the swamplands are eroding---LACK of silt, not too much).

281 posted on 08/29/2005 4:20:48 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: justa-hairyape
Said that the dome generates its own weather systems. Now that air conditioning is off, they could get rain and lighting inside the astro dome.

That's typical Art Bell type nit wittery.

282 posted on 08/29/2005 4:20:49 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: mewzilla

Right on, Mewzilla. I do not consider any of the efforts to predict what this storm might do as "hyping".

The reason is that while the weather people can pretty reliably predict the direction that a storm will move, and where it might hit, they do not have the ability to predict the intensity at all. The storms are just too unpredictable.

The key, from what I read is the eyewall replacement cycle, and this particular storm was looking like an "annular" hurricane, rather than a tropical hurricane, so whether the eyewall would replace was uncertain.

I am hoping and praying that it falls apart at the moment. But we will not know for a few hours yet, I fear.


283 posted on 08/29/2005 4:21:21 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: maquiladora

Well you can bet more MSM outlets will pimp Sharpton's and Martin Sheen's visits to kook Sheehan's camp from Sunday.


284 posted on 08/29/2005 4:21:38 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: Northern Yankee; Hillarys Gate Cult
Shep says glass is breaking in the French Quarter.

The dear boy dropped his Bloody Mary

;-)

285 posted on 08/29/2005 4:21:43 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("I was just the spark the universe chose ....." --- Cindy Sheehan (barf alert))
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To: Gondring
SS, I think she was trying to say that IF a Storm of this magnitude doesn't do the predicted damage, that in the future people won't evacuate causing massive loss of life.

I am still worried about the storm surge. Reading about the hurricane of Sept. 21, 1938, that swept through Long Island, and the New England area, the storm surge was absolutely devastating.

I pray that isn't the case today.

286 posted on 08/29/2005 4:22:08 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier { Wisc. })
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To: Northern Yankee; Hillarys Gate Cult
The French Quarter.


287 posted on 08/29/2005 4:22:16 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: oceanview

Right, that is what he said.


288 posted on 08/29/2005 4:22:56 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("I was just the spark the universe chose ....." --- Cindy Sheehan (barf alert))
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To: Carolinamom; Rebelbase
One reporter said last night (?...time gets mixed up) said that they were not allowed to take cameras inside the Superdome.

That was a Fox reporter so they moved off to the W Hotel. Later, I saw shots from MSNBC inside the Superdome so I don't understand why Fox was kept out.

289 posted on 08/29/2005 4:23:20 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: gopwinsin04

Is that a current pic?


290 posted on 08/29/2005 4:23:54 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: gopwinsin04

pressure now 918 mb


291 posted on 08/29/2005 4:24:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: don-o
It is going to rain for a week and all that water will be coming down the Mississippi, wnon't it?"

Actually, no. Most rainfall on south Louisiana drains away via the swamps and smaller rivers---not the Mississippi. Add to that that the Mississippi levees are designed to handle 3X the 1927 flood--an amount of water that is vastly larger than it is possible for any hurricane to "dump".

292 posted on 08/29/2005 4:24:21 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: spanalot

Sustained winds of 60 MPH within the city of New Orleans right now.


293 posted on 08/29/2005 4:24:25 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: RobFromGa
it's WHAT the wind is blowin'

There was a real interesting video last year from the strong Hurricane that ended up traveling over Orlando Florida from the south east. Video was from close to shore, and you could tell a strong wind gust >130 mph was coming, because you could see the things traveling in it.

294 posted on 08/29/2005 4:24:31 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: NonValueAdded

Superdome power now out, no heat.


295 posted on 08/29/2005 4:25:09 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: itsinthebag
No cause of death was known, but said to be possibly due to panicky stress.

It's Bush's fault!

296 posted on 08/29/2005 4:25:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: oceanview

Only the center of the storm has made landfall. The back half of the storm is still coming. Hurricane force winds for another 3-4 hours. It ain't over.


297 posted on 08/29/2005 4:25:27 AM PDT by myprecious
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To: gopwinsin04

Heat isn't a problem...

Just the opposite...


298 posted on 08/29/2005 4:25:59 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: mewzilla
Weather prediction isn't perfect. FWIW, if the storm doesn't live up to its billing, I'd see that as cause for celebration, not a reason to kvetch.

If the hurricane doesn't destroy the city of New Orleans, and make the city permanently unihabitable, then some people are going to be disappointed. We will see the finger-pointing and accusations of hype, even though everyone could see a massive and well-organized system barreling into the LA coast just to start to fall apart right before landfall.

Whether this is due to water temps and depths along the coast, or interference of the ground on rotation, or whatever, maybe it is part of the reason that there has not been a Big One hit the Big Easy in a long long time.

For those who are disappointed that they don't get to see mass destruction (the city of New Orleans could still flood), just remember that this storm could have killed hundreds maybe even thousands of fellow Americans, caused tens of billions in damage, and destroyed irreplaceable historical buildings and artifacts.

And with this in mind, we should rejoice in the fact that the worst of this might still be avoided.

When I went to bed last night, it looked worst-case, now it looks somewhat better. Prayers from Georgia that it continues to fall apart over land, and continues to move forward faster.

299 posted on 08/29/2005 4:26:26 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: SunnySide
Well, that will remain to be seen in the future. This was a LEGITIMATE storm with all the bad signs and proof to back it up that evacuation WAS necessary.

Absolutely. All you have to do is look at the size of that storm yesterday afternoon, the massive red spot with a huge eye that had kept on its predicted track headed straight for a city that is already under sea level.

300 posted on 08/29/2005 4:26:32 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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