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Martial Law Declared in New Orleans (FoxNews says this was reported in error)
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Posted on 08/30/2005 7:27:49 AM PDT by WxMan2000

Shep Smith just reported martial law declared in New Orleans...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
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To: snarkytart

**"To be honest with you, people who are oppressed all their lives, man, it's an opportunity to get back at society," he said.**

"Getting back at society" by stealing from people who have been driven from their homes by a disaster. Disgusting. That anyone could take advantage of other human beings' misfortune to steal from them is terrible.

Another thing I've thought, observing this thread and the strong reaction to looting. This is a true-blue conservative response. Conservatives instinctively defend civilization; they instinctively feel revulsion for disorder and lawlessness. Liberals, by contrast, rush to such scenes with excuses and sympathy for the criminals. Their reaction to the riots following the Rodney King verdict is a prime example of this.

Exception: All looting perpetuated by people newly liberated from dictatorial regimes by the U. S. military will be strongly condemned by the Left.


541 posted on 08/30/2005 11:55:08 AM PDT by Irish Rose (Don't make Me come down there. ---God)
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To: Irish Rose

Looting for other reasons is wrong. No doubt or question about that.


542 posted on 08/30/2005 11:56:00 AM PDT by silentknight
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To: Labyrinthos
Actually, Moses got them, written in stone so to speak, from God. In John and several other places in the New Testament, it is clear to many that the God of the Old Textament, Jehova, was in fact Jesus Christ before He came to earth in mortal form.

His own procalmation that, "before Abraham was I am", made many Jews mad enough to try and kill Him because they thought He was being blasphemous. As it was, He was only being truthful.

543 posted on 08/30/2005 11:56:27 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: WxMan2000; Admin Moderator

FNC stated this was reported in error... should the title of the thread be changed?


544 posted on 08/30/2005 11:57:55 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: silentknight
There is always something wrong with stealing IMHO. Particularly at a time like this.

Unchecked lawlwessness will turn to chaos and mayhem. As they use up what they stole and return to the store for more, they will find it empty...now believing that stealing is okay to sustain their life...they will begin entering other's homes and taking from them.

Guess what happens when those people put up a fuss?

No, the National Guard needs to get in there as quickly as possible and put a definitive stop to it.

If someone is out giving away the food and water they have, that is an entirely different issue. But to steal it is wrong and the owner, or law enforcement is in their rights to use force to stop it.

545 posted on 08/30/2005 12:00:04 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Dean Baker
Shep just said they DON'T KNOW WHY THE WATER IS RISING!!

AND THEY CAN'T PUMP IT OUT!!

This is HORRIBLE! The best city on earth might just have to be bulldozed and rebuilt!!

WOW!!!

The news media just being it's usual alarmist self I see.

546 posted on 08/30/2005 12:00:34 PM PDT by RoyalsFan (Freepmail me if you want on my Kansas City Royals ping list)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for clarifying. My underlying point remains the same, however.


547 posted on 08/30/2005 12:01:02 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
my thought, too.
548 posted on 08/30/2005 12:01:59 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: inquest
In New Orleans? Probably when Andrew Jackson's troops occupied the city during the War of 1812.

I don't know if anyone has already posted this, but I'll guess that it was when the entire south was put under martial law after the war between the states.

549 posted on 08/30/2005 12:02:39 PM PDT by RoyalsFan (Freepmail me if you want on my Kansas City Royals ping list)
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To: WxMan2000

What surprised me was that as soon as states authority is inactive for a few hours, the people start looting. I could somewhat understand looting in case of a war when everywhere is nothing but total chaos (in a "The day after" scenario) but not after a strong storm in a first world country.

Some people are only waiting for the anarchy to start.


550 posted on 08/30/2005 12:03:59 PM PDT by floridarolf (Admit it, Lance!)
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To: Petronski; mhking; rdb3

Don't bother honey. I'm bypassing this thread. You ought not be surprised that people react the way they do when you point out the obvious. Waiting for the day you, like another freeper I know, will be accused of being a n*gger lover. This hurricane stirred up a lot of vermin imho.


551 posted on 08/30/2005 12:06:59 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: Jeff Head
if the perps continue or seek to get away they may well be shot in such circumstances.

Hooray for our new masters in khaki!

552 posted on 08/30/2005 12:07:56 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Jeff Head

I agree the National Guard needs to get in there as soon as possible.


553 posted on 08/30/2005 12:08:35 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Labyrinthos
You are welcome for the clarification.

I also take issue however with your underlying point. A property owner is protected in most areas for using force during the commission of a felony to protect their property. This is well founded in our history and juris prudcence because property and life are so closely inter-related. If someone has the power to take your property, historically...and statistically...your life is also considered in dnager.

Looting is considered a felony and a breaking of the law in itself in most states, in addition to the theft charges (burgerlary, laceny, etc.).

That is because in these conditions, as I have stated earlier...if such lawlessness is not quickly stopped, it will lead to much worse as the looters (thieves, felons, criminals, etc.) begin breaking into homes to "take what they need" from thos epeople and those people put up a fuss about it. Soon you have litoral chaos and mayhem. The behavior cannot be tolerated because it leads to much worse.

I hope and pray the Guard gets in there quickly to put a stop to it...using as much force as necessary to do so.

Just my onw opinion on the matter.

554 posted on 08/30/2005 12:10:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Labyrinthos
You don't shoot a thief in the back, you face him and fire, simple.

Who gave Moses the 10 Commandments???

The fact remains, the commanment says, thou shalt not steal, PERIOD.

555 posted on 08/30/2005 12:11:20 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to.)
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To: Brytani
Don't count of any country offering assistance for this.

Not even our trading partners and friends in China?

556 posted on 08/30/2005 12:13:00 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum)
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To: firebrand

My great Uncle was a cop in the Newark PD during the 1967 riots. He said that there was total disorganization due to a lack of communication and coordination between the city and the state. As a result, you often had National Guardsmen shooting at NPD and vice versa.


557 posted on 08/30/2005 12:14:06 PM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: Shalom Israel
No hooray about it. Those guys do a hazardous job at a hazardous time.

It is not something desirable...but in circumstances like these it is necessary to control looting and lawlessness and keep it from developing into far worse.

No one relishes it or desires it. Sorry your attitude about these guys seems to be so cynical. I am glad they are there when needed.

558 posted on 08/30/2005 12:17:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: silentknight
Do these people look like they will return later and pay??? I seriously doubt it, secondly, taking something without paying is still STEALING, does the owner of the property know you may come back later? NO.

God will understand

Then why doesn't the commandment say, thou shalt not steal, unless of course you plan to return at a later date to make amends.

559 posted on 08/30/2005 12:17:04 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to.)
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