Why Didn't Nagin Follow His Own Plan?

Captains Quarters Blog ^ | 09/04/05 | Captain Ed

[Copernicus]

Apologies if this is already posted. I searched and did not see it.

[Abcdefg]

Nagin should be drug tested.

[cardinal4]

Why Didn't Nagin Follow His Own Plan?

Duh, it's easier to just blame Bush..

[texianyankee]

Mayor Nagin is no Rudy Guiliani.
Governor Blanco is no Jeb Bush.

Those two Louisiana officials should be put on trial.

[longshadow]

Same material (from the NO Emergency Plan for Hurricanes) was quoted here on FR a couple days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1476538/posts?page=103#103

[beyond the sea]

Why Didn't Nagin Follow His Own Plan?

He did. He left town.

Nagin has no balls............... but lots of buses.

G.W. should have dropped his sorry *ss out of the helicopter the other day.

[ArtyFO]

Nagin needed this translator:
http://www.atlantaga.com/ebonics.htm

[AliVeritas]

http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://www.wabcradio.com
Come to live thread in Katrina.

[Polybius]

In New Orleans, the evacuattion plan was particularly crucial because New Orleans was in the Storm Surge Zone, it was below sea level, its levies were only designed for a Category 3 and Katrina was forecast as a Category 5.

I just finished explaning the issue of "Storm Surge" to another Freeper who does not live in Hurricane Ally.

That post is reproduced below and I hope it is informative to those who think that a hurricane is a hurricane is a hurricane no matter where you happen to be.

"...... Where exactly you were going to suggest they take all these people?", he asked me:

**********************

Well, being from ( X ), you probably have very little experience with hurricanes. Since my family has lived in Hurricane Ally for over 140 years, I do.

Where do you take those people?

OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE!!!!

ANYWHERE out of the Storm Surge zone!

It does not matter where they end up....in Baton Rogue, in Georgia, in Texas or in Timbuktu.

You get them the h#ll OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE!

"Ummm....What's a Storm Surge?", those who don't live in Hurrican Ally ask.

This is what a "Storm Surge" is": Post 11 of this thread

This is what a Storm Surge does:

This is how people who are left stranded in a Storm Surge area end up.....259 war veterans WPA workers aboard that train died in that 1935 Labor Day Hurricane :

The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane Storm Surge literally wiped the Town of Islamorada off the map.

A 1933 hurricane storm surge not only totally destroyed the Cuban town of Cayo Cristo and every human being and every building in that town. It also washed away the entire friggin' island! Afterwards, an entire ISLAND was no longer on navigational charts.

That is why the Mayor of New Orleans beat feet to Baton Rogue. Baton Rouge is OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE.

By contrast, New Orleans is not only in the Storm Surge zone but also BELOW SEA LEVEL. It's levies were not designed for anything greater that Category 3 and Katrina was forecast as a Category 5.

"But no city offered to take them in and ....whine, whine"

BRAVO SIERRA!

Eight hundreds thousand (800,000) other resident of New Orleans got out of the Storm Surge Zone and they were just absorbed into the rest of the United States.

Another 200,000 is totally irrelevant.

On top of that, Bush requested to Federalize the entire evacuation and the Democrat Governor refused.

The New Orleans Hurricane disaster plans called for COMPLETE evacuation of New Orleans precisely BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE STORM SURGE ZONE.

The Southern Louisiana Evacuation Plan specifically stated that people without private transportation were to be transported on public buses.

There were not just "200 buses". There were 200 buses in just one photo and Freepers studying the post-Katrina satellite images have counted over 400 buses altogether at other city parking.

At 70 people per bus that is 28,000 people per round trip that could have been taken out of the storm surge area in the 48 hours prior the Katrina striking.

After the storm hit, what makes you think that buses sent from outside of New Orleans could drive through the flooded mess any better than the 145 New Orleans city buses that were parked 1.2 miles away from the Superdome?

Was Scotty supposed to beam the outside buses to the Superdome and them beam them back out so that they would not have to drive through impassable roads?

The time to evacuate those 200,000 low-income people on public buses OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE was BEFORE the Category 4 storm struck.

That was what the Southern Louisiana Evacuation Plan for New Orleans specifically called for.

The Democrat Governor and the Democrat Mayor did NOTHING to carry out that portion of the plan. They left 200,000 low-income resident abandoned and they now blame the Federal Government for not having Scotty beam down a massive logistics effort after a human disaster of their own making.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Nagin and the other elected criminals are already salivating at the thought of the grifts and payoffs and skimming that they are going to get over the rebuilding of New Orleans. I'll bet that at the end of this rebuilding, Nagin will be a millionaire 50 times over,

[T Lady]

Tammy Bruce was calling for both Nagin and Blanco to resign on her show last Saturday...as they most definitely should.

And you're right on target...neither Louisianan official is fit to shine Rudy's or Jeb's shoes.

[jn665]

You're not trying to imply that the good mayor of NO has some measure of blame are you?

He has done his best to keep people's attention away from himself, and of course, the willing accomplices in the media have been right there to help and assist him.

[Peace will be here soon]

There is never enough info to be posted on this extraordinary example of incompetence, and the mayhem it caused.

[marblehead17]

ping

[texianyankee]

Excellent explanation.

The first hurricane I ever recall was Carla in 1960. We lived in San Antonio at the time, yet it made an indelible impression upon me. I recall the winds, the rain, and hearing about threats of tornadoes. Yet we were 150 miles from the coast.

For the life of me, I dont know why Nagin or the governor didnt order NOLA evacuated much earlier. It wasnt like they didnt see it coming!

[SerpentDove]

>>Why Didn't Nagin Follow His Own Plan?<<

I want to know why he went from using a very businesslike voice before the hurricane, to using the profane street-jive voice he uses now. Actually, I think I know.

[TNdandelion]

I've been saying that since Tues or Wednesday! LOL

[Doogle]

I think I may have the answer.
As I understand it, he was speaking with his lawyers on Saturday night (the 27th) supposedly about legalities.
But between him and Blanco,I think as cold and as senseless
as it seems,there is a big difference about who would be responsible for "costs" when it comes down to Mandatory Evacuation. The Federal call (for evacuation) the cost goes to the feds......local call (the idiots) for mandatory evacuation would be a state pick up.
Yeah at this point in time, seems pretty stupid, but we're talking democrats here.


Doogle

[syriacus]

Nagin and his cohorts abandoned their poorer constituents, just as Kerry abandoned the children of South Vietnam and Cindy Sheehan wants us to abandon the children of Iraq.

A recent study concluded that poorer people are less likely to evacuate and made two suggestions.

The study concluded (page 6) that

The number of low income residents who remain in harm’s way illustrates the need for both
education about the need to travel far enough¹
and
providing evacuation assistance to those without means²

1. I wonder if Nagin emphatically told his poorer constituents that they needed to evacuate at a distance, to high land, rather than take shelter in a friend's "stronger" home.
2. I don't have to wonder if Nagin sent buses to evacuate his poorer constituents.

Citizen Hurricane Evacuation Behavior in Southeastern Louisiana: A Twelve Parish Survey
Released by The Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Taskforce, July 2005.

We have all noticed the cyclic uptick in hurricanes in recent years. I think that many lives would have been saved if New Orleans city codes had required inflatable lifeboats in each residence. The codes probably required fire escapes for some buildings, and what were the odds that someone would have needed to use one of them?