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Flight 93 victims honored with Muslim Crescent?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/10/05 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 09/10/2005 1:14:53 PM PDT by wagglebee

A Pennsylvania pastor is fighting the newly approved design of the Flight 93 National Memorial, contending its crescent pattern is a symbol of Islam.

Rev. Ron McRae, head of the Bible Anabaptist Church near Jerome, Pa., about 55 miles from Pittsburgh, said a private group he formed might go to court to block the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial designed by Paul Murdoch Associates of Los Angeles.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," McRae told the Tribune-Democrat newspaper in Johnstown, Pa.

McRae of Conemaugh Township, Pa., is director and founder of the Lancaster-based Street Preachers Fellowship.

The heart of the memorial is a mile-long semicircle of red maples surrounding the place near Shanksville, Pa, where the flight's 40 passengers and crew were killed when the hijacked plane plunged into the ground Sept. 11, 2001.

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the Tribune-Democrat. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

But McRae vows to fight it.

"They wouldn't dare put up the Ten Commandments or the cross of Christ, but they're going to put up a red crescent," he said. "We're not going to stand idly by and allow this to happen."

Several weblogs raised similar concerns about the design.

Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs asked: "Is this a coincidence, an example of amazing cluelessness, or something more deliberate?"

Ed Morrissey at Captain's Quarters said, "Can you imagine the outcry from the multiculturalists and the ACLU had the design incorporated a cross or a Star of David in honor of the victims? Why should we tolerate the Crescent that, inadvertently or deliberately, honors the terrorists?


Model of Flight 93 memorial


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
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To: Valin
So everything that has a cresent shape to it should be banned?

No, but it sure is inappropriate and insulting to the people who love those who have fallen. And by the way, that was a good comparison. There are few differences between Muslims and nazi's - perhaps that the latter are more moderate.
41 posted on 09/10/2005 2:16:38 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
True enough, in fact we would not be able to prosecute the war against the terrorists without our Muslim Allies.

What Muslim allies? The 'allies' who will betray us whenever the time is ripe? Whatever. Islam has, since its founding, always been a major force for murder, war and terrorism.
42 posted on 09/10/2005 2:18:15 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: Valin
The fact is the vast majority of the world Muslims are not our enemies. No matter what people like you say. so get over it and gat with the program.

The fact is that a significant minority of Muslims do want to kill us. A siginificant portion of Muslims do not actively and loudly denounce that minority.

The militia of Flight 93 fought and died heroically against members of that hate-filled minority, and for the USA. Anything resembling a red crescent at their memorial would be flatly inappropriate. The shape crescent is okay for many other purposes, the moon, croissants, whatever, just not for this purpose, and certainly not the color red.

43 posted on 09/10/2005 2:21:02 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: King Prout
MOHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE



44 posted on 09/10/2005 2:22:23 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Dark Skies
A poster on Little Green Footballs found anti-Bush postings by this Murdoch guy online. He's an LA lefty. I'm not so sure it's a coincidence. He's awfully vehement about not changing anything in the design.
How hard would it be to plant sugar maples instead of red maples so the "crescent" was orange or golden? The fact that he seems unwilling to even consider the emotional reaction in so many people(including the committee) makes me believe he's just another Sheehani.
45 posted on 09/10/2005 2:22:26 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I believe that it is wrong to memorialize the victims of 9/11 with what looks for all the world like the symbol of their murderers.



IMO (freely given and worth almost that much) people are looking for a fight where there isn't one. It's a crescent for goodness sakes. If they had a star on it that would be something different, but it doesn't.
46 posted on 09/10/2005 2:26:40 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: King Prout

Unbelievable!


47 posted on 09/10/2005 2:30:46 PM PDT by Translates
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To: Sisku Hanne
Incredible. The design even includes a smaller group of trees to represent the star that accompanies the crescent moon.

A quick lookup and I see that the following Islamic countries have seen fit to honor the crescent moon and star(s) design by featuring it in their flags:

Azerbaijan, Kazakstan, Malaysia, Maldives, Pakistan, Singapore, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Algeria, Angola, Mauritania, and Tunisia.

Here is Pakistan's flag:

48 posted on 09/10/2005 2:35:10 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Translates

On TV tomorrow night:
Flight 93 The Flight That Fought Back
Presented without commercial interruption
Sunday, Sept. 11, 9 p.m. ET/PT. Discovery Channel


49 posted on 09/10/2005 2:36:18 PM PDT by Translates
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To: Jeff F
Or if you want it in red, then we can go to Turkey:


50 posted on 09/10/2005 2:36:38 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: weegee; joesnuffy

The entire forest was leveled in that area when the swastika was discovered.


51 posted on 09/10/2005 2:41:36 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: King Prout

It appears to be National in nature since it is called National and it is a religious symbol. Who is paying for it?


52 posted on 09/10/2005 2:42:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: RightWhale

who is paying for it? probably you and me, brother!


53 posted on 09/10/2005 2:44:38 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

I don't know if my reaction qualifies as fury, but certainly as pure unadulterated contempt. The only question I have is whether the Muslim iconography is accidental. That is, whether the designers actually had that in mind when they proposed it, or whether it was someone else who noticed the patently self-evident..


54 posted on 09/10/2005 2:45:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
The only question I have is whether the Muslim iconography is accidental

Legally speaking, it is a well-known symbol, and so the effects of the use of the symbol must be considered whether accidental or not. That is, the user must know the use of symbols at his own peril. Ignorance is no excuse.

55 posted on 09/10/2005 2:49:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: RadioAstronomer
"Face on Mars" ping

;-)

56 posted on 09/10/2005 2:51:30 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: AntiGuv

from my passing familiarity with modern architectuarl schools of thought, I'd say their ingrained contempt for American mores and their pathological celebration of "shocking the sheep" almost guarantees that the use of the star-and-crescent design is a DELIBERATE slap in the face.


57 posted on 09/10/2005 2:57:09 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: AntiGuv; King Prout; Dark Skies
Remember when Stockhausen described the WTC bombing as "the greatest work of art ever".

A quick trip to Paul Murdock Architects website will give you a flavor of the artistic pretensions and arrogance of this jerk. That plus lots of prominent references to lefty buss-words such as "sustainable development", "ecological urban planning", "environmentally responsible architecture that is humane and soulful", "A primary task of this generation is to create new patterns of development that sustain human habitation on this planet", "mitigating pressures of urbanity with the need to heal the natural environment", "we aspire to emotionally affect and uplift our lives through poetry and beauty."

Don't for a minute think that this guy doesn't look at 9/11 as a great work of art that he yearns to honor it with his own contribution. No doubt he feels certain that all of us artistically unwashed are too stupid to understand what he is doing.

58 posted on 09/10/2005 3:02:00 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F

I'm an artist, of sorts, sometimes.
I am certainly NOT ignorant of art and architecture.

REAL art.
REAL architecture.

I want to take this asshat out back o' the toolshed and give him a dose or two of "wood-shampoo" brain-food.


59 posted on 09/10/2005 3:07:31 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Jeff F; King Prout
Remember when Stockhausen described the WTC bombing as "the greatest work of art ever".

I'd never heard that. Why would such a person's design even be considered? I think I might be developing a bit of fury.. That quote is beneath contempt.

60 posted on 09/10/2005 3:07:56 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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