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Dinosaurs may have been a fluffy lot
Sunday Times (United Kingdom) ^ | September 4, 2005 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 09/17/2005 3:35:39 AM PDT by SeaLion

THE popular image of Tyrannosaurus rex and other killer dinosaurs may have to be changed as a scientific consensus emerges that many were covered with feathers.

Most predatory dinosaurs such as tyrannosaurs and velociraptors have usually been depicted in museums, films and books as covered in a thick hide of dull brown or green skin. The impression was of a killer stripped of adornment in the name of hunting efficiency.

This week, however, a leading expert on dinosaur evolution will tell the British Association, the principal conference of British scientists, that this image is wrong.

Gareth Dyke, a palaeontologist of University College Dublin, will tell the BA Festival of Science being held in the city that most such creatures were coated with delicate feathery plumage that could even have been multi-coloured. Fossil evidence that such dinosaurs were feathered is now “irrefutable”.

“The way these creatures are depicted can no longer be considered scientifically accurate,” he said. “All the evidence is that they looked more like birds than reptiles. Tyrannosaurs might have resembled giant chicks.”

The latest visualisation suggests that parts of Walking with Dinosaurs, the acclaimed BBC series, cannot be seen as scientifically valid. Similar criticisms might also be levelled at the Hollywood blockbuster Jurassic Park.

The Natural History Museum in London, which has a popular exhibition of robot dinosaurs, conceded this weekend that some of its permanent displays may have to be adapted to reflect the new findings.

The feather revelation follows a series of discoveries in fossil beds at Liaoning in northeast China where a volcanic eruption buried many dinosaurs alive. It also cut off the oxygen that would otherwise have rotted them away.

Some theropod (“beast-footed”) dinosaurs were preserved complete with feathery plumage. Theropod is the name given to predatory creatures that walked upright on two legs, balanced by a long tail.

The feathered finds include an early tyrannosaur, a likely ancestor of Tyrannosaurus rex, two small flying dinosaurs and five other predators. Feathers are thought to have evolved first to keep dinosaurs warm and only later as an aid to flight.

Such finds are significant in linking dinosaurs to modern birds. Most palaeontologists accept that birds are descended from dinosaurs but there is fierce debate over how this happened. At the Dublin conference, Dyke will present new evidence suggesting that dinosaurs evolved the ability to fly and that some even developed all four limbs into wings.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; dinosaurs; evolution; intelligentdesign; palaeontology
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A good example of some recent real science, and how science responds to new findings. Scientists can deal in incomplete evidence and still advance knowledge, revising/improving that knowledge as they go along.

Evolutionists: consistent with basic ToE, but a 'course-correction' revision in order, perhaps?

Creationists: perhaps we can have revised illustrations in some of the comics, so that terrified cavemen are depicted fleeing from feathered dinosaurs? Artistic licence is permitted for colour of the plummage, that won't conflict with current scientific evidence. :-)

Cordially

1 posted on 09/17/2005 3:35:40 AM PDT by SeaLion
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To: PatrickHenry; Right Wing Professor; CarolinaGuitarman
* Mini-ping *

Not earth-shattering, but interesting IMHO

2 posted on 09/17/2005 3:37:21 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: SeaLion
Very interesting!

Yet somehow I find myself strangely not compelled to give "fluffy" a hug.

3 posted on 09/17/2005 3:49:36 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SeaLion

What part of evolution would give them feathers in a warm, humid jungle-like climate?


4 posted on 09/17/2005 3:52:49 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Caipirabob
Tyrannosaurus Pea;


5 posted on 09/17/2005 3:53:15 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: SeaLion
We've always said that the 2 month old chicks around the farm here look like mini-dinosaurs...Not scientific, I know...just an observation.
6 posted on 09/17/2005 3:53:16 AM PDT by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: SeaLion

7 posted on 09/17/2005 3:53:54 AM PDT by Samwise ("You have the nerve to say that terrorism is caused by resisting it?")
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To: SeaLion
Thanks for the ping. Alas, a search on "fluffy" reveals that this was posted before:
Dinosaurs may have been a fluffy lot ~~ now they tell us.....
8 posted on 09/17/2005 3:55:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: SeaLion
Evolutionists: consistent with basic ToE, but a 'course-correction' revision in order, perhaps?

It's important to note that the actual "theory of evolution" has to do with *how* things evolve and speciate (i.e., the actual biological processes), whereas the sorts of "course-corrections" described in this article don't affect the *theory*, it just adjusts the *history* of which evolutionary changes occurred when.

It's similar to how your mechanic's initial estimate of why your car has stopped running may be found to be wrong once he opens up the engine and looks inside, but that still doesn't count as a change in the science by which internal combustion engine operates, or the theories in physics (thermodynamics, gas laws, etc.) which are involved.

Likewise, many people mistake revisions to life's "history book" as being changes to the "theory of evolution" itself, when in most cases it isn't at all, nor do such discoveries (like feathered dinosaurs) require any change to the theory whatsoever.

At the risk of oversimplification, evolutionary theory deals with "how and why", whereas evolutionary histories deal with "where and when".

9 posted on 09/17/2005 3:56:21 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: SeaLion
Tyrannosaurs might have resembled giant chicks.

Rosie O'Donnell

10 posted on 09/17/2005 3:56:55 AM PDT by angkor
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To: raybbr
Mardi Gras parties!


11 posted on 09/17/2005 3:57:06 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

No "flaccid plumage" there, eh?


12 posted on 09/17/2005 3:58:51 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: angkor

Sorry, but I'm hitting "abuse" on that post. Barf.


13 posted on 09/17/2005 3:59:43 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: raybbr
What part of evolution would give them feathers in a warm, humid jungle-like climate?

First, not all dinosaurs lived in "humid, jungle-like climates". Earth has always had a wide range of climates, even when it was on the whole warmer or colder than it is now.

Second, ectotherms ("cold-blooded" animals, although that term is now out of favor) always have problems with regulating their temperatures. Anything that helps keep a more *steady* internal temperature is an advantage, since fluctuating temperatures cause all sorts of problems, biologically. Even in a warm climate an "adjustable insulation" like feathers would help increase heat retention when the temperature drops, and allow more heat out when the temperature rises.

14 posted on 09/17/2005 4:02:34 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Centaur
Observe some herons, cranes... or cormorants. Not that wild a stretch.
15 posted on 09/17/2005 4:03:54 AM PDT by johnny7 (“"Thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes... like a doll's eyes.”)
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To: Caipirabob

Hug a 5 or 6 ton carnivorous chicken?
Nope. Neither would I. Of course, I don’t go into the woods to feed the bears or play with the cougars either.


16 posted on 09/17/2005 4:04:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL!


[well played, old chap!]...;))


17 posted on 09/17/2005 4:06:15 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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18 posted on 09/17/2005 4:06:53 AM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: Ichneumon
I guess it all depended on the neighborhood, then?...:)


19 posted on 09/17/2005 4:09:29 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: SeaLion
Evolutionists: consistent with basic ToE, but a 'course-correction' revision in order, perhaps?

I think it is interesting that in the minds of the people in this article, there can be no middle ground. All dinosaurs are now warm-blooded and feathered. Not some. Not most. Not just the ones located in the volcano. All. And when the advocates for this position get to a reporter, this is not stated as a theory. It is stated as a fact, which of course, in scientific method, it is not.

I wonder if that means that the fossilized skin/scale prints we were shown for all those years are hoaxes.

Believe what you will, but this is a poor example of scientific method in action.

20 posted on 09/17/2005 4:12:00 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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