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Dinosaurs may have been a fluffy lot
Sunday Times (United Kingdom) ^ | September 4, 2005 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 09/17/2005 3:35:39 AM PDT by SeaLion

THE popular image of Tyrannosaurus rex and other killer dinosaurs may have to be changed as a scientific consensus emerges that many were covered with feathers.

Most predatory dinosaurs such as tyrannosaurs and velociraptors have usually been depicted in museums, films and books as covered in a thick hide of dull brown or green skin. The impression was of a killer stripped of adornment in the name of hunting efficiency.

This week, however, a leading expert on dinosaur evolution will tell the British Association, the principal conference of British scientists, that this image is wrong.

Gareth Dyke, a palaeontologist of University College Dublin, will tell the BA Festival of Science being held in the city that most such creatures were coated with delicate feathery plumage that could even have been multi-coloured. Fossil evidence that such dinosaurs were feathered is now “irrefutable”.

“The way these creatures are depicted can no longer be considered scientifically accurate,” he said. “All the evidence is that they looked more like birds than reptiles. Tyrannosaurs might have resembled giant chicks.”

The latest visualisation suggests that parts of Walking with Dinosaurs, the acclaimed BBC series, cannot be seen as scientifically valid. Similar criticisms might also be levelled at the Hollywood blockbuster Jurassic Park.

The Natural History Museum in London, which has a popular exhibition of robot dinosaurs, conceded this weekend that some of its permanent displays may have to be adapted to reflect the new findings.

The feather revelation follows a series of discoveries in fossil beds at Liaoning in northeast China where a volcanic eruption buried many dinosaurs alive. It also cut off the oxygen that would otherwise have rotted them away.

Some theropod (“beast-footed”) dinosaurs were preserved complete with feathery plumage. Theropod is the name given to predatory creatures that walked upright on two legs, balanced by a long tail.

The feathered finds include an early tyrannosaur, a likely ancestor of Tyrannosaurus rex, two small flying dinosaurs and five other predators. Feathers are thought to have evolved first to keep dinosaurs warm and only later as an aid to flight.

Such finds are significant in linking dinosaurs to modern birds. Most palaeontologists accept that birds are descended from dinosaurs but there is fierce debate over how this happened. At the Dublin conference, Dyke will present new evidence suggesting that dinosaurs evolved the ability to fly and that some even developed all four limbs into wings.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; dinosaurs; evolution; intelligentdesign; palaeontology
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To: raybbr
What part of evolution would give them feathers in a warm, humid jungle-like climate?

What bird living in a warm climate does not have feathers.?

143 posted on 09/17/2005 6:43:25 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I guess you haven't heard the news of the FRAUD involved with those models. it was discovered that some creative liberty was taken by these 'evolutionists' but mixing the jaws of apes with skulls of man and other creative manipulations.

I'm always curious when a creationist tells me a fossil ias a hoax. How do you know? What line of reasoning would lead you to determine that a fossil is a fraud?

144 posted on 09/17/2005 7:07:18 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

ah: you have selected Option #5. Very good.


145 posted on 09/17/2005 8:16:26 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: js1138
I'm always curious when a creationist tells me a fossil is a hoax. How do you know? What line of reasoning would lead you to determine that a fossil is a fraud?

Most likely a CS/ID page told them so. I don't think most of them are willing to actually study the intricate details of the fossil record.

Placemarker also---->

146 posted on 09/17/2005 8:55:24 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: js1138; Nathan Zachary
I'm always curious when a creationist tells me a fossil ias a hoax.

I'm always curious when scientists change their "theory"(such an interesting word).

First dinosaurs are green and brown, then multicolored, now with feathers. And we are supposed to accept these "theories" as fact?

Fun to read, but I take every latest theory with a grain of salt.

147 posted on 09/17/2005 9:46:14 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world)
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To: SeaLion
Feathers are thought to have evolved first to keep dinosaurs warm and only later as an aid to flight.

And the evidence is that they were also warm-blooded?

148 posted on 09/17/2005 9:53:11 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Nathan Zachary
I can go to the local bar and show you a guy that has a skull shaped like any one of those

That is scary. Please don't invite me along, I'll stick to my own bar!

:-)

149 posted on 09/18/2005 2:24:22 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: SeaLion
In trying to reconstruct dinosaur feathers, we should remember analogous use of hair in mammals: all mammals have hair, but very large mammals in warm climates tend to have very sparse hair (elephants, rhinos, hippos, etc) to better dissipate heat. I would imagine that dinosaurs of similar and larger size would also have sparse feathers, if they had feathers, so would appear to be more "scaly" rather than being totally covered by feathers.
150 posted on 09/18/2005 2:32:31 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Lijahsbubbe
I'm always curious when scientists change their "theory"(such an interesting word).

Yes, it is strange to find people who modify their ideas on the basis of new evidence.

151 posted on 09/18/2005 8:17:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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