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More women are asking for prenups
Sun Sentinel ^ | September 18, 2005 | Georgia East

Posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob

Over a casual dinner, Rachel Kaplan turned to her boyfriend and asked, "You're open for a prenup, right?"

Darren Waldohlz, 38, a partner in a successful speed-dating business, admits he was caught off guard. But he said he realized a prenuptial agreement would protect the house he owns, too.

"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23, a single mom from Fort Lauderdale, who has a sizable inheritance. "I have to protect myself and my daughter."

While men are still more likely to seek a prenup, "women are becoming a more dominant force," said attorney Alan Braverman, who has offices in Fort Lauderdale and Boynton Beach.

Experts attribute the change to women marrying later or more than once.

"It's not uncommon in today's world that women are entering marriages with assets and stock options," said matrimonial attorney Jacqueline Valdespino, in Coral Gables. "Now both sides have equal bargaining power."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: divorce; greed; marriage; matrimony; prenup; prenuptual
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To: Age of Reason

Society has ALWAYS be a part in every marriage. And if you think that that is incorrect, then you know less than nothing whatsoever about marriage, history, nor much else; as is always evidenced in your replies.


301 posted on 09/19/2005 7:55:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Arpege92
Some of you Freeper men really confuse the hell out of me. First women are blood suckers and should be forced to sign a prenup if the man is wealthy. Then women are bitches if they dare to educate themselves, move up the corporate ladder but have a difficult time finding a male companion. So if you are looking to blame Feminism, then some of the blame falls squarely on your shoulders as well. Woman are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

It's an unhealthy mindset. I think a 50-50 split should a marriage break up is fair for both parties, wether the guy takes up with a floozie or whether mommy starts spending extra quality time with the poolguy. It doesn't matter why it breaks up, just that it does. A 50-50 split makes the results relatively predictable,

The mindset that the marital property belongs to both partners in good times and somehow reverts to a wronged party in bad times is just insane. There's nothing 'conservative' about it.

302 posted on 09/19/2005 7:55:20 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: MikeinIraq

Possible, it's possible. (I like the way you think).


303 posted on 09/19/2005 7:56:02 PM PDT by najida (So, I said to myself -Self, I really think shrimp heads in the flower pots as compost is a bit much!)
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To: nopardons
there is such a thing as birth control.

Well then, if birth control undos a million years of sexual behavioral evolution.

Then creating test tube babies undoes the evolved behavior to have sex altogether.

And DNA testing, along with women's equality, undoes the need for legal marriage.

Thanks to science, we can simply turn our backs on all our primative instincts as they are no longer needed.

304 posted on 09/19/2005 7:57:08 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: najida

It appears that there are a LOT of little boys on this thread; little boys who hate and fear women and yes, who look a lot like the Taliban.


305 posted on 09/19/2005 8:00:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MikeinIraq; Age of Reason

I've unfortunately run into AoR before and he never ever posts anything worthwhile/that makes any sense at all.


306 posted on 09/19/2005 8:03:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SouthernFreebird

re: Affairs, Divorce, & Dividing Property

The trick here is that there is a natural inclination to give favor to a cuckolded spouse. A spouse doesn't deserve a financial award just because they were cheated on. That gives them too much credit, and may ignore the fact that they were a poor spouse, for example. A cheating spouse doesn't deserve to be financially punished, either.

Adultery is a lot more complex than a lot of folks are willing to consider. It's a reason to leave a marriage. It's not a reason to clean-out the cheater, or unduly benefit a person who just had the fortune to be cheated on.


307 posted on 09/19/2005 8:04:04 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Age of Reason
Just to satisfy my morbid curiosity...HOW OLD ARE YOU? Just give a ballpark figure, if you prefer.

No wonder you aren't married, pet; nobody with more than 3 working brain cells would even date you more than once; let alone marry you.

Birth control has been around for millennia. So has sex outside of marriage.

And just WHAT, exactly is "sexual behavior evolution ?

You really, really, REALLY have a problem with women...don't you! LOL

308 posted on 09/19/2005 8:12:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: HairOfTheDog; najida; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Arpege92; Darksheare; King Prout; Allegra
In the event you get her pregnant, I think you'll find there are, in fact, guarantees.

But there shouldn't be.

It is unjust and against nature--and human nature--for the law to enforce such an obligation without the man and woman having first legally married.

Marriage is a contract that exists to protect women should they become pregnant.

No no legal obligation should ensue to the man who is not a woman's husband.

Otherwise, the woman is having it both ways.

That a woman is the one to become pregnant confers on the women evolutionary advantages (the baby always carries her genes).

But she pays for that advange--as is fair--with a price: She can have only one baby every year or so.

Therefore it would likely be woman's evolved nature to desire sex with a man who will endow her child with good genes, and with a man she can be sure will be around to help her bear and raise that child.

She should therefore evolve emotions to lead her in such direction.

Men, on the other hand, do not get pregnant. Which is an advantage as they are BY NATURE FREE to make as many babies as they can find women to impregnate.

But nature is fair and makes men PAY FOR THAT FREEDOM by a man's never being sure any baby he thinks he's made is really his.

So the checks and balances are already in us.

For government to force men to pay for babies made out of wedlock, is giving the female of the species all the advantages.

And it also destroys the need for marriage, as we now can substitute DNA testing and lawyers instead.

And for a man to betray his sex, by adding legal advantage to woman's biological advantage, is folly.

And is evidence of the success of liberal social brainwashing.

309 posted on 09/19/2005 8:14:44 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
But I would have sex with her.

That's very generous of you. 'Course finding a woman who WILL have sex with you under any circumstances might prove difficult.....

310 posted on 09/19/2005 8:16:20 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Memo to Tom McClintock: Think White House.)
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To: Capriole; Arpege92
There isn't that much hatred for women on this site, though there clearly is some, and it is vocal from time to time.

A lot of men have a poverty mentality when it comes to money. They have an irrational fear that a woman might cuckold them and take 1/2 their money.

I have consistently felt that if the price of getting rid of a bad woman is 1/2 of everything I had, that's probably a pretty good deal.

The thing that a lot of folks forget is that the property becomes marital property when the parties become married. Both men and women here (and lots of places) think that the property belongs to the couple in good times, and then if one party engages in misconduct, all of it somehow reverts back to the harmed spouse. That's just silly.

The rules dividing property protect both husband and wife, and adds a certain predictability to the financial situation should they go their separate ways. The cheater and the loyal spouse are treated the same. That's fair, if unpalatable.

In regards to women who work for successful careers, I don't think many men on FR think they are automatically bitches. I think many men find them not to their taste, though. I'm one of them and have good reasons, mostly because successful career women tend to be older (side-effect of investing in career as opposed to home life), have difficult and unreliable schedules, and are not as interested in forsaking their investment to raise children.

I don't think they are bitches for that. I am uninterested in them as a romantic companion, though. It's perfectly fair: they get the career they wanted, and it's incumbent on them to find a compatible mate. I get to reject those women (and many would reject me, to be fair), in favor of a more compatible mate. It's unreasonable for me to expect a career woman to forsake her investment in favor of my wishes; conversely, it's unfair for those women to expect me to forsake my taste in a romantic companion in favor of their wishes.

Everybody gets what they want, and what they deserve. The thing is, women have more flexibility and freedom with career and family life than ever before. That's a good thing, though some men may not like that. The other side of the coin is that, naturally, men have more flexibility and freedom when it comes to finding a compatible mate. That's a good thing, though some women may not like that.

Fair is fair, after all.
311 posted on 09/19/2005 8:18:22 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Age of Reason
For government to force men to pay for babies made out of wedlock, is giving the female of the species all the advantages.

You can cry all the way home, but YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

312 posted on 09/19/2005 8:19:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: nopardons
And just WHAT, exactly is "sexual behavior evolution ?

Where do you think the desire to have sex comes from, logic?

Our motivations--emotions--desires, are shaped in us by evolution.

313 posted on 09/19/2005 8:22:42 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

you should change your name from Age of Reason to Age of Sexist Idiocy...

it fits better...


314 posted on 09/19/2005 8:23:41 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Hey Fox News, MORE MOLLY, LESS Greta van Talksoutthesideofhermouth)
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To: MikeinIraq; King Prout
Sorry to disappoint you two, but I don't have that much grey hair (yet).

Nor do I have hairy breasts.

315 posted on 09/19/2005 8:25:06 PM PDT by uglybiker (I am not trying to take over the world. I did that last week.)
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To: Age of Reason
You're really just plain old fashioned nuts! LOL

You try to sound as though you are some sort of sociologist/anthropologist/expert in evolution; however, the ONLY thing that you keep doing, is making excuses for men to have emotionally free and unencumbered sexual intercourse, without the taint of ANY responsibility and to blame women for everything you can come up with. How juvenile and pathetic of you!

Do you believe that the ONLY reason for marriage is to produce children ?

316 posted on 09/19/2005 8:25:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Caipirabob

I don't believe in prenups.

I do believe wholeheartedly in family estate trusts and other binding legal devices to keep ambitious folks away from "family" wealth.

PreNups are just tacky.

You can accomplish the same thing being prepared estate wise.


317 posted on 09/19/2005 8:26:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (I call my wife "woman" sometimes......am I a sexist?)
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To: HairOfTheDog
You can cry all the way home, but YOU are responsible for YOUR actions

I see.

And if a woman knowingly has sex with a man who has herpes, the man is responsible if she catches herpes.

A woman's ability to become pregnant is her evolutionary advantage and her responsibility to manage properly.

Of course, that would put a dent in the sexual revolution and ensuing destruction of family and marriage--and we little liberals can't let that happen, can we?

318 posted on 09/19/2005 8:26:59 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
I don't believe in evolution.

And every living creature has always had sexual desires. That's just how it is. Evaluational behavior, would mean that nobody and nothing had any sexual desires at forst, but that those desires evolved; which is utter nonsense fro them gitgo!

319 posted on 09/19/2005 8:31:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Age of Reason
A woman's ability to become pregnant is her evolutionary advantage and her responsibility to manage properly.

Correction, you little twit.... for two people having recreational sex, pregnancy is absolutely no advantage, but rather, a vulnerability you both share. The accidental child will have TWO parents, not just one. And even if you cry all the way home, that will still be the judgment against you.

Of course, that would put a dent in the sexual revolution and ensuing destruction of family and marriage--and we little liberals can't let that happen, can we?

Go to hell and don't talk to me about the destruction of marriage. A man with no honor, like yourself, has no standing to mourn the destruction of values he has just pissed on.

Don't post to me anymore. You'll never convince me you have one valuable thing to add. Life's too short for you.

320 posted on 09/19/2005 8:33:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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