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Michael Schiavo to Tell His Side of the Story in Book
AP ^ | 9/18/05

Posted on 09/18/2005 1:25:48 PM PDT by Crackingham

Michael Schiavo is co-writing a book with author Michael Hirsh to tell his side of the end-of-life case that divided much of the country. Schiavo's wife Terri suffered a brain injury in 1990 that left her in what some doctors called a "persistent vegetative state." She died March 31 after a bitter court battle between her husband and her parents.

Hirsh expects the 280-page book, "Terri: the Truth," to be available just before the first anniversary of Terri's death. Dutton Publishing publicity manager Jean Anne Rose confirmed that the company is publishing the book in March.

Michael Schiavo's decision to remove a feeding tube that kept his brain-damaged wife alive alienated him from her parents, drew a Congressional intervention and even prompted criticism from President Bush.

Hirsh, 62, is a Vietnam veteran and a former Los Angeles television producer who has written three books about the military.


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To: FairOpinion
Words fail me at the callousness of this monster in human form.

Your expression is priceless, but for some reason millions of misguided Americans seem to warm uniquely to this "monster in human form."

41 posted on 09/18/2005 2:51:56 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Crackingham

it was only a matter of time.


42 posted on 09/18/2005 2:52:51 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done good more for our country than anyone will know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Michael and his band of liberal buddies.

Remember that Michael's "band of liberal buddies" are REPUBLICANS, including Michael himself.

43 posted on 09/18/2005 2:54:42 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Crackingham
Hirsh expects the 280-page book, "Terri: the Truth," to be available just before the first anniversary of Terri's death

I guess he changed the title from "Die, B!tch! Die!

44 posted on 09/18/2005 2:56:22 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Smartaleck

Yes, it would have been so much neater to allow MS to finish murdering his wife, without anyone objecting or knowing about it. I suppose you feel the same way about OJ -- why they fuss?

(/sarcasm)


45 posted on 09/18/2005 2:57:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Smartaleck
It wasn't a story until his in-laws and their supporters made it one. Much like Sheehan?

Apples and oranges, dear. The Schindlers were fighting to save their daughter from a horrible death. Shitty Sheehadi is profiting off her son's death, which was an honorable one. Shitty and MS have something in common, now that I think about it...no honor, no conscience.

46 posted on 09/18/2005 3:11:14 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Crackingham; 8mmMauser

Guess what : (


47 posted on 09/18/2005 3:11:43 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: CyberAnt
Seem to be a lot of so called christants and jews who invoke the 6th commandment while totally ignoring the 9th.
48 posted on 09/18/2005 3:15:33 PM PDT by Wheee The People
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To: Crackingham

Too bad Terri will never have a chance to tell HER side of the story.


49 posted on 09/18/2005 3:16:13 PM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: Crackingham

I wouldn't buy anything that might make one penny end up in the pocket of this scumbag.A book written by this filthy pig will be full of lies and half truths that cover up his despicable actions.


50 posted on 09/18/2005 3:21:44 PM PDT by rdcorso (Bill Clinton Stuck His Cigar In Foreign Places And Called It Foreign Policy)
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To: Crackingham
Michael's heartwarming new book:


51 posted on 09/18/2005 3:24:26 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: JasonSC
I want to be very specific and thorough in what I say about this issue because I want to avoid the emotionalism that seems to boil over in past threads I've participated in, and I want to be understood clearly that I believe that Terri's best interests WERE served by allowing her to die, but that the manner that it transpired has horrible long reaching consequences for everybody in this country.

I said this:
[This guy was instrumental in helping the Big Government advocates create legal precedent for the courts to make medical decisions for us citizens...]

You said:
[As Terri's spouse, wasn't it legally Michael's decision to remove the feeding tube?]

That is exactly what the Florida courts were adjudicating, and the answer depends on several complicated and ambiguous legal interpretations. When one does not have an advanced health directive (aka living will), and then one loses mental competence, the decision to make medical decisions falls to BOTH the spouse (or legal guardian) and the medical facility which delivers primary care.

In general, it is the medical professionals who are responsible for making life changing medical decisions, such as when to add or remove life support or when to start or stop giving necessary drugs. The decisions they make are not arbitrary, but are mandated by a state regulated "Standard of Care" Any non-life changing decisions are left by default to the spouse, such as clothing or room arrangements. Of course, this leaves a whole lot of middle ground ambiguity over whose decision it is to choose the type of diet given or weather to provide a preventative flu shot, for example. The answer to your question would seem to be "No, it isn't his decision to end her life" assuming the courts agree on the above standard.


You also wrote:
[Wasn't it the Schindlers who brought the feds into the situation in the first place?]

No. The original petition was filed in order to remove the feeding tube. And this gets to the heart of the matter. According to the usual interpretation of "Standard of Care", providing nutrition to a patient in Schiavo's condition is called for even if a feeding tube is necessary, provided the patient is expected to live a physically normal lifespan without artificial life support. And remember providing nutrition and hydration are NOT considered artificial life support under the usual "Standard of Care".

When the medical professionals are abiding by the usual "Standard of Care" in treating a patient, they don't need to petition the court for permission to do so, but in Schiavo's case they wanted to remove her feeding tube, knowing this would result in her death from dehydration, and this would seem to be a violation of "Standard of Care" and so would require the permission of the state of Florida.

The result of all this is the petition was granted by Judge Greer based on a very loose interpretation of Florida law that reasons that in the absence of a "living will", we can just go by what the patient's relatives SAY she would have wanted and ignore the "Standard of Care". In this case, her husband claims that "she would have wanted her feeding tube removed".

How this affects everybody, and is the reason I said "...create legal precedent for the courts to make medical decisions for us citizens." is that because of this decision, there is now a legal precedent for the relatives of the millions of mentally incompetent people living in nursing homes and health care facilities in this country to go to court to have food and water or drugs withheld from them, bypassing the long accepted and relied on "Standard of Care" and knowing that they will die because of it, and it will be the courts who'll be making the decisions about who lives and who dies one case at a time.
52 posted on 09/18/2005 3:26:25 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: spinestein
This guy was instrumental in helping the Big Government advocates create legal precedent for the courts to make medical decisions for us citizens ...

The legal precedents, both statutory and court-made, precede this case. This case stands for a different proposition - the difficulty of reversing lower court fact finding error. This case threw light on a deficiency in the civil law process. The deficiency is tolerable when the stakes are only money.

53 posted on 09/18/2005 3:28:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: spinestein
[As Terri's spouse, wasn't it legally Michael's decision to remove the feeding tube?]

That is exactly what the Florida courts were adjudicating, and the answer depends on several complicated and ambiguous legal interpretations.

Actually, and the court cases are easy to read on this point, the only issue was "What are Terri's wishes?" Greer found, via testimony, that Terri wished to forego food and water. In a legal sense, "she made her own decision," albeit indirectly because she couldn't assert her wishes personally.

And in the end, it wasn't "Michael's decision." From the point of view of the law, it was Terri's decision.

54 posted on 09/18/2005 3:35:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

You didn't specify, but I assume when you said "fact finding error" you are referring to the court's take on the "PVS" diagnosis.

What you said is very interesting from a legal standpoint and I'd like to discuss some of the details if you'd care to elaborate on how this case throws light on deficiencies in the civil law process.


55 posted on 09/18/2005 3:38:20 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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To: texianyankee

I read Mark Fuhrman's book, too, just to find out if I had my facts straight and if there were any important pieces not known to me. Fuhrman did a good job, I think -- right off the bat he said he had No Dog in that fight. He is an investigator, and a lot went uninvestigated in Terri's case. He makes a reasonable case that even though he couldn't find anyone who had a good thing to say about Michael, that doesn't mean he intentionally tried to harm her. It could have all just been a terrible accident. Furhman puts to rest that Terri wasn't a bulimic and the weight she lost was under a physician's supervision. He also does a good job developing the time line and that is what really indicts Schiavo.

Michael never tells the same story twice. So, my prediction is that he will not write a book to tell his side of the story because then it will be pinned down. He never showned up for any depositions, so why would he write a book that could later be used against him in a civil suit? The answer to that is simple. He is a sociopath and doesn't care what anyone thinks. No one is going after him, so why not Cash In!


56 posted on 09/18/2005 3:49:38 PM PDT by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: Kath
Correction. You meant more money, right?
57 posted on 09/18/2005 3:52:37 PM PDT by somesie (Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think.)
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To: spinestein
You didn't specify, but I assume when you said "fact finding error" you are referring to the court's take on the "PVS" diagnosis.

No. I am referring to the finding of "patient's wishes." PVS is a red-herring. See In re GUARDIANSHIP OF Estelle M. BROWNING.

... I'd like to discuss some of the details if you'd care to elaborate on how this case throws light on deficiencies in the civil law process.

From an ages-ago post of mine, pardon if some of it seems out of place to answer your question ...

I opine that the civil court system is ill suited for a life/death decision, and that there are systemic issues in the judicial venue. I also opine that state legislatures have promulgated model language for living wills that is apt to cause "critical confusion" on the part of the signer. Critical confusion is where the paper means the opposite of what the signer thinks it does. I also opine that federal medicare/medicade law encourages hospice abuse.

As for this specific case, the courts, while uananimous, contained at least two (dissenting) judges who held that the court system was NOT adhering to Congress's wishes. My cursory analysis agrees with them. The majority (and prevailing) rationales in the Federal Courts, for refusing to review the facts in evidence (using the Florida definition of "clear and convincing"), were bootstrapped or circular in logic. The Federal Courts also put all of the burden on Terri, including, for example, the stance that the denial of basic care was the "status quo" that the statutory law was designed to preserve.

Before the case ever got to the Federal Courts, the Florida appellate courts handled the case. As they did in the election fiasco of 2000 (cherry-picking a path through election statutes in order to overlook legislative intent), the Florida courts cherry-picked Florida statutes in Terri's case. Florida appellate courts also composed the question regarding Terri's wish (to be dehydrated to death) in a way that does not represent Terri's thought or rationalization process.

In the final analysis, the difficult question that faced the trial court was whether Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo, not after a few weeks in a coma, but after ten years in a persistent vegetative state that has robbed her of most of her cerebrum and all but the most instinctive of neurological functions, with no hope of a medical cure but with sufficient money and strength of body to live indefinitely, would choose to continue the constant nursing care and the supporting tubes in hopes that a miracle would somehow recreate her missing brain tissue, or whether she would wish to permit a natural death process to take its course and for her family members and loved ones to be free to continue their lives. After due consideration, we conclude that the trial judge had clear and convincing evidence to answer this question as he did.

http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/1-24-01_DCA%20Opinion.pdf <-- 780 So 2d 176
(Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2001)

http://www.2dca.org/opinion/June%2006,%202003/2D02-5394.pdf <-- 2003 Opinion

In my opinion, that question misrepresents several points. The court implies that Terri not only has to have an expectation of merely some recovery, but "a miracle [that] would somehow recreate her missing brain tissue." But it is not necessary to have ANY hope for recovery in order to have will to live. Many people with NO hope of ANY recovery would choose to live.

Second, that the death being sought is a natural death, in the sense that most people take the term "natural death." The court had to parse statutory language to reach a conclusion that a starvation and dehydration death is a natural death process. And at the time Terri would have made a reasoned decision, "life support" did not legally, clinically, or colloquially include the provision of basic necessities such as food, water, clothing and shelter.

Third, that Terri would conclude, either prosepctively or contemporaneously, that her death would be better for her family members. No reasonable person would conclude that Terri's blood family didn't want Terri to live. Terri would probably consider their wishes in making her own decision. Some people who want to die, choose to live based on pleading from loved ones. See suicide intervention.

In Westinghouse Elect. Corp., Inc. v. Bay County Energy Systems, Inc., 590 So. 2d 986, 988 (Fla. 1st DCA 1991), the court stated: Clear and convincing evidence requires that the evidence must be found to be credible; the facts to which the witnesses testify must be distinctly remembered; the testimony must be precise and explicit and the witnesses must be lacking in confusion as to the facts in issue. The evidence must be of such weight that it produces in the mind of the trier of fact a firm belief or conviction, without hesitancy, as to the truth of the allegations sought to be established [Cboldt comment: and therefore also the falsity or inaccuracy of contrary testimony or evidence].

Although this standard of proof may be met where the evidence is in conflict, In re Guardianship of Browning, 543 So. 2d 258, 273 (Fla. 2d DCA 1989), approved, 568 So. 2d 4 (Fla. 1990), it seems to preclude evidence that is ambiguous.

Cited in an article relating to a completely different matter <--

A review of the evidence can obviously create a clear and convincing impression on the minds of some, that Terri's past words constitute an express desire to have her life terminated under the circumstances she was in. A significant number of FR posters agree with Greer's finding of fact.

But I don't believe one can objectively reach that conclusion, and certainly not to the standard of clear and convincing. One must give every benefit of the doubt to Michael, and deny every benefit of the doubt to Terri's family. That is not objectivity, it is bias.

One attribute of the process of judicial review is that once an erroneous finding of fact is reached, the burden shifts to the other side, and the burden of proof higher to reverse than it is to find in the first place. The "ordinary" judicial review process may be fine in most civil matters, where the stakes are not life and death. But it does not safeguard against trial court error, whether that error be based on malice, bias, senility, or lapse of attention.


58 posted on 09/18/2005 3:56:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: stylin_geek

It's about the money - I'm sure this "book" will break all records for honesty and lack of self-serving.

Expect to see it in the remainder piles within days of release.


59 posted on 09/18/2005 4:04:53 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Cboldt
[...the only issue was "What are Terri's wishes?"]


I did, in fact, state this:
[the petition was granted by Judge Greer based on a very loose interpretation of Florida law that reasons that in the absence of a "living will", we can just go by what the patient's relatives SAY she would have wanted and ignore the "Standard of Care". In this case, her husband claims that "she would have wanted her feeding tube removed".]


I maintain that just because the court is clear in stating its reasons, doesn't mean that those reasons weren't arrived at through a convoluted or fallacious loose interpretation of law designed to arrive at exactly the conclusion they wanted in the first place.

In fact, that is just what I'm claiming: Judge Greer misinterpreted Florida law to "interpret Terri's wishes" by presuming that the unsupported claim by the spouse (legal testimony though it may be) is to be believed as representing "Terri's wishes" and using that to override the accepted "Standard of Care".

Greer's standard can now be used to end the life of ANY of the millions of mentally incompetent Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, stroke, or head trauma patients (just to name a few) who are now living in nursing homes in this country All that needs to happen is one of their relatives filing a petition in court and saying "My grandma told me she wouldn't want to live like this, and I want the nursing home to stop giving her her heart medication and to stop feeding her".

I worked in a nursing home as a CNA and I watched as many residents died slowly, with or without their relatives ever coming in to see them. Though certainly not in the majority, there are quite a few relatives who write off "the old zombie" after they throw her in the nursing home and can't wait for her to die before the inheritance is drained away. I've seen that very attitude displayed, without guilt in front of me, and these same people will be the ones in court "testifying" that "her wish was to forego food and water".

Regardless of what was best for the individual who was Terri Schiavo, the Schiavo case set a new legal precedent for allowing the court to override accepted "Standard of Care".
60 posted on 09/18/2005 4:16:48 PM PDT by spinestein (Forget the Golden Rule. Remember the Brazen Rule.)
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