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Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests
WorldNetDaily ^ | September 19, 2005

Posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:33 PM PDT by scripter

Pope Benedict XVI has given his approval to a new Vatican policy document indicating that men with homosexual tendencies should not be ordained as Catholic priests, reports Catholic World News.

The policy statement is a direct result of the pope's concern about the pedophilia scandal in the church – especially in the U.S.

The new document, prepared by the Congregation for Catholic Education in response to a request made by the late Pope John Paul II in 1994, will be published soon. It will take the form of an "Instruction," signed by the prefect and secretary of the congregation: Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski and Archbishop Michael Miller, according to the report.

The report was first referenced on Joseph Farah's nationally syndicated radio program last week by Raymond Arroyo, author of the new book "Mother Angelica: The Remarkable Story of a Nun, Her Nerve and a Network of Miracles." Arroyo has covered the papacy more than any other journalist

The text, approved by Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder that detracts from their ability to serve as ministers, says the CWN report.

Priests who have already been ordained, if they suffer from homosexual impulses, are strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood.

The "Instruction" does not represent a change in church teaching or policy, according to the Vatican.

Catholic leaders have consistently taught that homosexual men should not be ordained to the priesthood. Pope John XXIII approved a formal policy to that effect, which still remains in effect. However, during the 1970s and 1980s, that policy was widely ignored, particularly in North America.

The Congregation for Catholic Education prepared the "Instruction" after soliciting advice from all of the world's bishops, from psychologists and from moral theologians. A draft was then circulated among the Vatican dicasteries concerned with the issue, notably including the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The pending release of the "Instruction," in the face of certain criticism from liberal forces in America and Western Europe, demonstrates the determination of the Vatican to improve the quality of priestly ministry and to protect the church from some of the scandals that have recently shaken the Catholic community – and no doubt deterred many men from entering priestly training.

Informed sources in Rome indicate that the "Instruction" probably will be made public after the Synod of Bishops, which meets in Rome Oct. 2 through 23.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cnim; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; popebenedict; vatican
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To: Blake#1

ping


141 posted on 09/20/2005 9:30:26 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: sinkspur
One should anticipate that there will be even fewer men entering seminaries than there has been. This will continue the inevitable march toward lay dominance of parish administration, with priests serving as sacramental circuit riders.

Doubt it, if anything it will serve as an impetus for an increase in vocations. How many men have resisted the call because of the combined effects of the "pink palace" stigma and Sister Butch the seminary screener?

142 posted on 09/20/2005 9:33:45 AM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: William Creel
""The DiVinichi Code" was a work of fiction, remember that.:)"

Next you'll tell us all that Jack Chick tracks aren't historically accurate.

What ever will all the Catholic haters due then?

143 posted on 09/20/2005 9:49:30 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Conservative til I die; ninenot; sittnick

And, and: What about poor Maria Monk and her fate worse than death???? And, and Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!! And, and... [Where are my Jack Chick Comix when I really need 'em????]


144 posted on 09/20/2005 10:20:26 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: conservonator
Doubt it, if anything it will serve as an impetus for an increase in vocations. How many men have resisted the call because of the combined effects of the "pink palace" stigma and Sister Butch the seminary screener?

Perhaps some have. But, in the last ten years, even according to Michael Rose, the seminaries have been largely cleaned up. Seminarians have increased in some dioceses, and they have not in others. But, even in dioceses in which they have increased, they have not increased enough to cover the number of priests who are dying off or retiring (if they even get to retire). Thus the consolidation of parishes in many dioceses.

145 posted on 09/20/2005 10:41:49 AM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: sinkspur
Perhaps some have. But, in the last ten years, even according to Michael Rose, the seminaries have been largely cleaned up. Seminarians have increased in some dioceses, and they have not in others. But, even in dioceses in which they have increased, they have not increased enough to cover the number of priests who are dying off or retiring (if they even get to retire). Thus the consolidation of parishes in many dioceses.

I would say it's probably more than some and it will take a bit of time for prospective seminarians to actually believe that changes have been made. I also another thing that will spur and increase in vocations will be lay lead parishes. I can't imagine a lay lead parish as being anything other than a disaster. Unless the laity of other dioceses is drastically different from ones that I have experience with. There seems to be even less willingness among the lay leaders to cleave to real Church teachings than that of an over worked priest trying to run a parish.

IN my area, consolidation is more a function of a shrinking population and attendance than a priest shortage. In fact, a little over a year ago, a new parish was established here in town. In other areas, churches are being sold off because of financial problems and not due to a shortage of priests.

Either way, I trust the Lord to watch over His Church.

146 posted on 09/20/2005 10:52:13 AM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: Lorianne
Do they ban priests with other mental disorders, say paranoia or depression?

I don't know specifics, but yes, from what I've read a healthy mental framework is very much required for ordination.

147 posted on 09/20/2005 10:59:46 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I'm marrying a woman before they make gay marriage mandatory!)
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To: sinkspur
Note how silent I have been. I say to myself as a mantra: Be nice to Sinkspur! Be kind to Sinkspur! And a bunch of other stuff but, with no negative personal remarks toward you:

1. We do not need married clergy although exceptions can and will be made particularly for a previously married clergyman of another faith who converts, is ordained and then may not marry again if his spouse dies.

2. We need absolutely no practicing homosexuals in the priesthood.

3. We need, with the exceptions noted in #1, no heterosexually active priests although the desire for heterosexual sexuality is perfectly normal and the desire for homosexual activity is ALWAYS intrinsically disordered, as the Church teaches.

4. If the pope were to allow a general permission for priests to marry, it could NEVER extend to homosexual priests being allowed "same sex 'marriage'" which is, again, ALWAYS intrinsically disordered.

5. I bet your diocesan vocation situation in Fort Worth will soon improve. Granted that it will take a while to turn the Queen Mary around as you put it. I may be wrong but your new bishop apparently had an orthodox reputation as a pastor in Southern Illinois. We shall see.

6. Several recent appointments in Texas suggest that Texas finally has the Vatican's attention.

7. Our little diocese of Rockford still has 48 seminarians with 11 due for ordination next May. Many are being prepared in the seminaries (diocesan and FSSP) in Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz's Lincoln, Nebraska diocese. No one accuses Bishop Doran of being a Kumbaya in any way.

8. If we have priestless parishes it will be a temporary temporal punishment for tolerating liberal AmChurch.

9. I have heard claims that fully half of the priests of the New Orleans Archdiocese are actually missing and unaccounted for. That is about as bad as it gets in the US.

10. What can a "lay run" parish or "priestless" parish do? Concentrate on social gospel stuff? How sad and fortunately, how very temporary. Maybe it is better to shutter such churches and yolk their parishioners pro tempore with parishes having priests.

11. Introduce third world firebrand priests from Asia, Africa and Latin America to handle the temporary priest shortage caused by liberal AmChurch.

All that having been said, I must sheepishly admit that you are missed when you are posting so rarely. Welcome back!

148 posted on 09/20/2005 11:10:54 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: FormerACLUmember

There were a lot of queers which were ordained in the 1940's, 1950's, and 1960's.

THEY are the ones who are attempting to perpetuate the gay-club in the priesthood. See, e.g., the vacuous comments of the Pgh. seminary official who opined that 'usually, perversions don't happen, unless the seminarian is drinking heavily.'

His conclusion: nothing should change.

Yeah, Fr. Jim Wehner!! Maroon of the Month!!!


149 posted on 09/20/2005 11:14:17 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Melas

The distinction is this:

Homosexuality is a Grave Disorder.

It is NOT a disorder to be attracted to women (if you are a man,) nor men (if you are a woman.)

Gehr steh'?


150 posted on 09/20/2005 11:15:46 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Melas

Currently ordained men who keep good control of themselves will NOT be summarily tossed out.

But your comment shows us that you do not understand the term "disorder."

Mutatis mutandis, it's like schizophrenia--a disorder. Something is seriously wrong with the psyche.

Thus, it is a bar to Ordination--to which NO ONE has a right, by the way.


151 posted on 09/20/2005 11:19:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: scripter
About d@rn time!

Ban Biblical higher criticism next! (And no, I'm not being sarcastic.)

152 posted on 09/20/2005 11:22:31 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher `asah lekha `Amaleq baderekh betzei'tkha miMitzrayim . . .)
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To: bubman
thanx I've read much of that crap and the stuff scripter posts. Not interested in bad research.

I addressed the incorrectness of your comment and anyone who thinks they know the actual percentage of any group which commits child molestation is ignorant and spreading false information.

Most of the people here who quote these numbers need a stat and research methods course.

153 posted on 09/20/2005 11:23:16 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: TommyDale

Geez, there was time when people understood simple English. What I said was "If the priest is celibate, he's not committing the sin of homosexuality." which means that if a priest was honoring his vow of celibacy and fondling no one, who cares what his prior orientation was. Obviously, if a priest is fondling boys, he is NOT celibate. Sheesh.


154 posted on 09/20/2005 11:23:59 AM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: ModelBreaker

I did not quote a statistic, nor did I address the percentage. I merely pointed out that the statement I referred to was wrong.


155 posted on 09/20/2005 11:25:18 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: hardworking

The Catholic Church teaches that it is NOT a sin to "be homosexual."

Further, the Church does NOT teach that intercourse without conception is sinful.

Whoever the hell told you that crap has been reading Jack Chick tracts, which are about as reliable as Dan Rather.


156 posted on 09/20/2005 11:25:35 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: libsl

Yeah, but...

The disorder of homosexuality is hardly limited to sexual acts. It includes a psychological outlook which is not compatible with "normal" manhood.

There's a lot more to this than choosing an orifice.


157 posted on 09/20/2005 11:27:26 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sinkspur

Thought you died.

I think that the "suspicion" stuff is paranoia, and you know it is, Sink. The prudent Sem chancellor will take into account a large number of factors. Expulsion may not happen in the first year/theologate.

It's "pattern of practice" that counts in the marginal cases.


158 posted on 09/20/2005 11:29:41 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Lorianne
But if you're not having sex you're functionally ASEXUAL

If you'd get your mind off "functionally" you'd have a better grip on all of reality.

159 posted on 09/20/2005 11:33:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: conservonator

Moreover, not only was there active DIScouragement of straights--the sem. admission process was a "screening-out" process from the get-go; I think there was an artificial "holiness" screening which played right into the hands of the Gay Mafia once they got in place.

Easier to screen them IN and let the chips fall. You can always toss someone out before Ordination--but not after.


160 posted on 09/20/2005 11:36:06 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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