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ACLU wants three councils to change prayers
WISTV ^ | 20 Sep 05 | Bryce Mursch

Posted on 09/20/2005 7:09:55 AM PDT by Jay777

(Columbia-AP) September 20, 2005 - The American Civil Liberties Union wants three Upstate governments to stop mentioning Jesus Christ in prayers before council meetings. The ACLU has written Anderson and Seneca city councils and Oconee County Council asking them to follow a federal court ruling.

The Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals last year upheld a lower court ruling that prayers before Great Falls Town Council were unconstitutional because they honored one faith over another by mentioning Jesus. The US Supreme Court refused to consider the town's appeal.

Mike Cubelo of the ACLU says the organization will sue if necessary.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: aclu; bush; conservatism; constitution; crusadesii; cush; liberals; prayers; religion; stopaclu; stoptheaclu; stupid
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1 posted on 09/20/2005 7:09:56 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
PING! Click Below To Join The Fight!
2 posted on 09/20/2005 7:10:57 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

Do you get the idea that the ACLU is obsessed with its opposition to religion?


3 posted on 09/20/2005 7:11:25 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page

The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)

The Becket Fund

Christian Legal Society

Pacific Justice Institute

Landmark Legal Foundation

American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy

The Liberty Council

ACLU-Watch

ACLU (Know Thine Enemy)

My personal Anti-ACLU Blog


"I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produced the wealth: communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, Harvard Reunion Book, 1935


"The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on." - William Z. Foster, ACLU co-founder and former chairman, Communist Party USA.


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


4 posted on 09/20/2005 7:11:34 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

When can we wipe these vermin out? THAT is what I want to know.


5 posted on 09/20/2005 7:11:39 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: Jay777

Just makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?


6 posted on 09/20/2005 7:11:45 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Brilliant

absolutely.


7 posted on 09/20/2005 7:11:52 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: highlymotivated

Join us while we try our best too.


8 posted on 09/20/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

May God smite them with a curse.


9 posted on 09/20/2005 7:18:15 AM PDT by bella1
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To: Jay777
The very name ACLU is a misnomer. If they were really for civil liberties they'd be conservatives.
10 posted on 09/20/2005 7:19:09 AM PDT by Translates
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To: Jay777
Try this prayer on for size, ACLU(less):

Back in January, 1996, Pastor Joe Wright, Wichita, KS was asked to open the KS Legislative session with prayer. A number of people expected the usual generalities, asking God to bless the actions, etc. instead this is what they got:

"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

*We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
*We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
*We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
*We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
*We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem.
*We have abused power and called it politics.
*We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.
*We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.
*We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Amen!"

The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in protest. In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding negatively. The church is now receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India, Africa and Korea.

Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, "The Rest of the story," and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired.

With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called "One nation under God." If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends.

"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for everything."

11 posted on 09/20/2005 7:20:46 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Brilliant

Do you get the idea that the ACLU is obsessed with its opposition to religion?
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What I get, is that the tolerance for these communist maggots in this country is sickening...


12 posted on 09/20/2005 7:22:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: zerosix

ACLU = Anti-Christ Lawyers Union

They are certainly living down to that moniker.........


13 posted on 09/20/2005 7:22:27 AM PDT by boilerfan (Hoosier born and Boilermaker educated!)
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To: Jay777
BULLSHIT! Who the hell is running America anyway???

14 posted on 09/20/2005 7:22:39 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: zerosix

Funny!


15 posted on 09/20/2005 7:22:39 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: SeaBiscuit

Join us in our fight!

http://www.stoptheaclu.com


16 posted on 09/20/2005 7:23:32 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

Thanks but I was thinking of more drastic and immediate means.


17 posted on 09/20/2005 7:25:22 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: Brilliant

18 posted on 09/20/2005 7:27:06 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: Brilliant

They have gone from a decent organzation that set out to help protect rights, to pushing an biased political ideology.



19 posted on 09/20/2005 7:27:48 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Jay777

I was watching a news clip yesterday. Don't know what State, but the story was covering the opening of that State's House of Representatives, and the interest was focused on whether or not the person leading the "Pledge of Allegiance" was going to leave in the phrase "under God."

The person DID include "under God" but I swear that he got it in the wrong order.

He said "One Nation, indivisible, under God." I almost fell out of my chair. Everyone in attendance was pleased, someone gave two "thumbs up". They were SO proud. But they didn't get it right! Geez!

Did anyone else see this?


20 posted on 09/20/2005 7:27:55 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (Our President's intervention saved lives.)
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To: highlymotivated

If we build the front up, no matter how slow, we can build a support base that can do some damage. We hope to grow to the point we can make some really good marches happen.


21 posted on 09/20/2005 7:28:09 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: boilerfan
"Those who are ashamed of Me, of them will I also be ashamed."
22 posted on 09/20/2005 7:28:37 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Jay777

I didn't know the US Congress passed a law ordering the Anderson and Seneca city councils to mention Jesus in council prayers.

Absolutely nefarious these congresscritters.


23 posted on 09/20/2005 7:29:25 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Jay777
Just what would happen if the town councils refused to obey the ACLU? The ACLU would sue. What would happen if the Council refused to obey a court order? How many divisions does the court have? If we can have jury nullification, we can have whole towns disobey. That would throw the fascists on the courts into a tizzy.
24 posted on 09/20/2005 7:32:47 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Jay777

"...ACLU wants three councils to change prayers..."

I want the aclu to pucker up and kiss my perpetual vertical smile. They'll know where that is. It looks like the image they see in the mirror.


25 posted on 09/20/2005 7:35:39 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!)
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To: Jay777

Everyone picks on Christianity and gives other religions a pass.

Kind of makes you wonder if there isn't something to the Christian thing...why else would it be hated so much?

Me thinks they protesteth too much...


26 posted on 09/20/2005 7:36:01 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: Brilliant

Just a thought..........how about we get the latest press release from CAIR, about how muslims are discriminated against, looked at wrong, hate speech, etc, etc., then change the wording from muslim to Christian and then file the same charges against the ACLU??
Just a thought.


27 posted on 09/20/2005 7:36:53 AM PDT by newcthem (And Atlas Shrugged.)
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To: Jay777

Their name is really the ANTI-CHRISTIAN LITIGATION UNIT.


28 posted on 09/20/2005 7:37:49 AM PDT by RoadTest (Packaging Is Everything!)
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To: upchuck

ping


29 posted on 09/20/2005 7:38:25 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: fizziwig

fizziwig, you a smart person! Follow your logic.


30 posted on 09/20/2005 7:40:25 AM PDT by RoadTest (Packaging Is Everything!)
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To: Jay777
Depending on state laws, this may be possible:

Put out an RFP (Request For Proposal) for any organization to get a non-monetary contract (maybe avoiding some EO laws since there's no money in it) to perform prayers. Local preachers will create such an organization and bid. Select them. The council is not giving the prayers, and anyone who wants to give prayers (say, a satanist) has to join the contracted organization, and will be refused.

By depending on state laws, I meant it won't work if the law says all contractors must do EO. But if the law says no state money will go to to anyone not doing EO, it may work.

31 posted on 09/20/2005 7:43:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: RoadTest

"fizziwig, you a smart person! Follow your logic."

I already have....it was tongue and cheek....I am already a Christian.....one of those ones dragged into it kicking and screaming...


32 posted on 09/20/2005 7:43:55 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: Jay777

This is absurd. They're also suing the Speaker of the House, personally, for mentioning Jesus in prayer on the House floor.

There have been men and women of every faith who have given the opening prayer in both the House and the Senate. No one religion is excluded.

The ACLU needs to wake up and realize that they are in the heart of the Red States, and none of us are amused by this.

By the way Jay... nice to see some people our age coming around. Keep up the good fight. :)


33 posted on 09/20/2005 7:45:55 AM PDT by GovGirl (Newsweek lied, people died...can we make that into a t-shirt?)
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To: Brilliant

"Do you get the idea that the ACLU is obsessed with its opposition to religion?"

I know, I just can't figure it out. Why do people keep thinking Democrats hate God? Hillary prays too, you know!

Even Howard Dean said they have to take back religion in the Democrat party.

The problem is, all those little people in the red states WILL keep watching what Dems do instead of what they say...


34 posted on 09/20/2005 7:46:53 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Jay777

Whenever I see an ACLU attorney, they usually have disheveled hair, glasses and facial hair. And that's just the women! The men are worse. I'd love to see research done to see where some of these so-called attorneys graduated in their class. If they had any smarts, I'd bet they would be working in a major law firm or corporate law.
Just my opinion.


35 posted on 09/20/2005 7:51:18 AM PDT by bushbuddy
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To: Jay777

If you ask a minister to pray, then you are the one creating an established religion if you tell him what he is permitted to pray and not permitted to pray.

We have many denominations and religions in America. An adult realizes they are all different.


36 posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Jay777

later pingout.


37 posted on 09/20/2005 8:15:02 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Jay777
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We were founded as a Christian nation.
38 posted on 09/20/2005 8:16:00 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: Jay777

Let me see if I understand this. Atheists want to be able to tell religious people how to pray. Did I miss something?


39 posted on 09/20/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

how can you say it has gone "from" something rationally good when it's founders were communists attempting to promote communistic ideals?


40 posted on 09/20/2005 8:35:25 AM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Jay777

The problem is that the American People have been lulled to sleep. We are willing to Tolerate Diversity and Tolerate other religious beliefs to the extent that our own religious beliefs are being CRUSHED.

It is time to wake up and fight back or to enjoy being a Crushee.

I suspect "Crusades II" is in our future. It's just a matter of time.

RamS


41 posted on 09/20/2005 12:54:23 PM PDT by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: highlymotivated

"Thanks but I was thinking of more drastic and immediate means."

If you can't do what you want...do what you can.
Everyone can click on his 'link'.


42 posted on 09/20/2005 2:46:39 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"They have gone from a decent organzation that set out to help protect rights, to pushing an biased political ideology."

They started out communist, by a communist.


43 posted on 09/20/2005 2:49:12 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: fizziwig

"Kind of makes you wonder if there isn't something to the Christian thing...why else would it be hated so much?"

Doesn't make Christians wonder at all.


44 posted on 09/20/2005 2:53:08 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Jay777
Court ruling:

The Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals last year upheld a lower court ruling that prayers before Great Falls Town Council were unconstitutional because they honored one faith over another by mentioning Jesus.

Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Exactly what does something that a town council do have anything to do with a law passed by Congress? How can it be unconstitutional? Is knowledge of the Constitution still mandatory for someone to become a justice?

45 posted on 09/20/2005 2:56:00 PM PDT by Enterprise1788 ("We stand at Armageddon, and we battle for the Lord" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: SC Swamp Fox; upchuck

SC - ACLU - Anderson/Seneca Towns & Oconee county...


46 posted on 09/20/2005 7:19:48 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: NonLinear; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...
Oconee county and the towns of Anderson and Seneca.


South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

47 posted on 09/20/2005 7:45:04 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Thanks for pinging this Swampy. I saw this earlier today but was at my "sorta job" and didn't have access to the ping list stuff.
48 posted on 09/20/2005 8:38:44 PM PDT by upchuck (A fireman running up the stairs at the WTC as the towers began to collapse: HERO defined ~ Ben Stein)
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To: Jay777

I want to see a resolution drafted by one of these city councils telling the ACLU to literally f*ck off. Someone HAS TO tell these un-american jerks just what people think of them.


49 posted on 09/20/2005 8:41:21 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Say no to crack! Free overalls for all plumbers.)
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To: Jay777
The Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals last year upheld a lower court ruling that prayers before Great Falls Town Council were unconstitutional because they honored one faith over another by mentioning Jesus.

The ACLU (like all liberals) divides the population into two factions: an abstract "host" population, and "The Other." It then demands in the name of "secularism" that the name of the god of the "Abstract Host Population" not be honored in any way. However, explicity public honor and recognition of the gods of "The Other" merely demonstrates what a tolerant, pluralist, multicultural, secular "paradise" the society is.

Why don't the Black or Eastern and Oriental Churches ever speak up on issues like this?

50 posted on 09/20/2005 8:48:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zakhor 'et 'asher `asah lekha `Amaleq baderekh betzei'tkha miMitzrayim . . .)
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