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Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
The Times ^ | 9/19/05 | Katrina Tweedie

Posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:35 AM PDT by Valin

A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.

Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi.

The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.

David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said.

Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.

The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.

Scotland was eighth for total crime, 13th for property crime, 12th for robbery and 14th for sexual assault. New Zealand had the most property crimes and sexual assaults, while Poland had the most robberies.

Chief Constable Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, questioned the figures. “It must be near impossible to compare assault figures from one country to the next based on phone calls,” he said.

“We have been doing extensive research into violent crime in Scotland for some years now and this has shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime are known to each other. We do accept, however, that, despite your chances of being a victim of assault being low in Scotland, a problem does exist.”


TOPICS: United Kingdom
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1 posted on 09/20/2005 7:55:36 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

Golf will do that to people.


2 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:10 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Valin
Tartan chafes.
3 posted on 09/20/2005 7:57:54 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Valin
"The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years."

Oh hell. We can do that in one weekend in America.

4 posted on 09/20/2005 7:58:08 AM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Valin

Scotland is part of the UK. This is like calling "Louisiana" the most violent nation in the world.


5 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:02 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Valin

Should we rely on anything accurate coming from Kofi's domain?


6 posted on 09/20/2005 7:59:19 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Valin

Good thing that they have strong gun control laws, or folks might get hurt. (/sarcasm)


7 posted on 09/20/2005 8:00:09 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Valin
So all the Anglophone countries that ban guns have citizens who are more than twice as likely to be victims of assault as Americans are.

Could it possibly be that criminals are more likely to attack people when they are certain that their intended victim is unarmed?

8 posted on 09/20/2005 8:00:22 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Valin
Good thing they can't have guns, or they might actually hurt someone!
9 posted on 09/20/2005 8:01:51 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Valin
Good thing they can't have guns, or they might actually hurt someone!
10 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:13 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Jaysun
Scotland is part of the UK.

Scotland is currently undergoing "devolution." It not only has its own independent national church and national legislature separate from the rest of the UK, it is moving further toward full independence every day.

12 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:28 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Valin
"Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years..."

Hmm, what's changed in the UK over the past 20 years that could account for this... hmm, let me think... Ah, I've got it! It's global warming!

13 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:46 AM PDT by Fabozz
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To: TChris

(pardon the double-post)


14 posted on 09/20/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Valin

All men die....only a few truly live....
15 posted on 09/20/2005 8:05:31 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (You cannot stop me, I'll just make..........a "move"....)
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To: Valin

It's the bag pipes, don't ye know.

16 posted on 09/20/2005 8:05:43 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Valin

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, it is not a GUN problem, but a KNIFE problem. They banned those evil guns. So, next step is too, ban knives??????????


17 posted on 09/20/2005 8:05:43 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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To: Valin


Socialism rears its ugly head again and again.


18 posted on 09/20/2005 8:06:13 AM PDT by Vaquero ("From my dead cold hands")
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Scotland has a very high rate of alcoholism. My guess is that booze is the cause of most of the violence

I'm of Scottish descent myself.


19 posted on 09/20/2005 8:06:29 AM PDT by somerville
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To: Valin

Dundee born George Galloway
Do people underestimate his nastiness?
Does his "cute" Scottish accent allow him to get away with cruel comments?
What is it about "feisty, dictatorial" guys with accents?
Did Hitler's "cute" Austrian accent endear him to the Germans?
Did Napoleon's thick Corsican accent endear him to the French?

20 posted on 09/20/2005 8:07:18 AM PDT by syriacus (Galloway blusters w/ such a "cute" accent. Did Germans think Hitler's Austrian accent was cute?)
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To: Jaysun

Wrong!

The United Kingdom consists of several nations. Guess which?


21 posted on 09/20/2005 8:07:30 AM PDT by ukman
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To: Enterprise
Of course, there are 60 times as many people in America.

That's the proportional equivalent of 9,600 murders in five years, or 1,920 per year.

1,920 is 11% of America's 2003 murder stat of 16,500.

About 90 people are murdered on the average US weekend - not even 160, let alone a proportional 9,600.

22 posted on 09/20/2005 8:07:34 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Valin
I shouldn't...
No... I can't... It's wrong... but *sob* I'm weak!

Scotland's depraved!

Chorus:
          Bring me the whiskey, Mother,
          I'm feeling frisky, Mother,
          Bring me a sheep to keep me warm through the night;

Bring me my little brother,
He'll be my one true lover
England may rule the world, but Scotland's depraved.

Bring me my little sister,
You'll see how much I've missed her
England may rule the world, but Scotland's depraved.

Bring me the preacher's daughter,
You'll see how much I've taught her
England may rule the world, but Scotland's depraved.

23 posted on 09/20/2005 8:08:45 AM PDT by JAWs
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To: Valin
Politicians must do something about this problem.

*snort*
24 posted on 09/20/2005 8:09:57 AM PDT by Famishus (Riding my bicycle in the piscatorial parade.)
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To: syriacus

I think the Scots and their decendents (I am not one) are among the most creative people in the world. Creativity can be used for good or bad ends. Even the Italian inventor G. Marconi had a Scotch-Irish mother.


25 posted on 09/20/2005 8:10:38 AM PDT by syriacus (Galloway blusters w/ such a "cute" accent. Did Germans think Hitler's Austrian accent was cute?)
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To: Valin

limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem...

Blaming the symptom, not addressing the root causes.See, that college education is good for something.


26 posted on 09/20/2005 8:11:13 AM PDT by Redcitizen (This line intentionally left blank)
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To: wideawake
"About 90 people are murdered on the average US weekend - not even 160, let alone a proportional 9,600."

The study and resulting stats are erroneous. They asked a Scotsman how many people "wore kilt" over the course of a typical weekend, and he replied, "Damn near everybody, laddy!"

27 posted on 09/20/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Jaysun
This is like calling "Louisiana" the most violent nation in the world.

New Orleans is "Murder capital of the US."

A New Orleanian is now seven times more likely to be murdered than a New Yorker.
Last year, the report continues, the city had a murder rate that was nearly 10 times higher than the national average.

28 posted on 09/20/2005 8:16:43 AM PDT by syriacus (Galloway blusters w/ such a "cute" accent. Did Germans think Hitler's Austrian accent was cute?)
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To: Valin

"IF IT'S NOT SCO'ISH IT'S CRAP!"


29 posted on 09/20/2005 8:17:11 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: wideawake

I didn't say we had 160 murders every weekend. But we could if we really tried hard!


30 posted on 09/20/2005 8:17:20 AM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: PAR35

(LITERALY) The 1st thing that popped into my head.


31 posted on 09/20/2005 8:17:38 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL!


32 posted on 09/20/2005 8:18:33 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Valin

Northern Ireland? What's going on there that makes it so safe?


33 posted on 09/20/2005 8:18:58 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: ukman; wideawake
Wrong! The United Kingdom consists of several nations. Guess which?

England, Wales, Scotland, province of Northern Ireland. I can accept the fact that this may be wrong, but it's news to me.
34 posted on 09/20/2005 8:20:17 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: shekkian

Paramilitaries will use a power drill on your joints if you engage in crime they haven't sanctioned or ordered.


35 posted on 09/20/2005 8:22:49 AM PDT by ukman
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To: Valin

The most amazing thing is that people think the US is the crime capital of the world.


36 posted on 09/20/2005 8:25:44 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: Fabozz

nope, it's Bush's fault!


37 posted on 09/20/2005 8:28:54 AM PDT by sassbox
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To: syriacus
New Orleans is "Murder capital of the US."
A New Orleanian is now seven times more likely to be murdered than a New Yorker. Last year, the report continues, the city had a murder rate that was nearly 10 times higher than the national average.


I've been to New Orleans several times. We worked on a Catholic facility ('Our Lady of Wisdom') to house and care for the aging in Algiers, which is New Orleans for all intents and purposes. I wasn't surprised by the rampant delinquency shown on the news during Katrina - it's their default behavior.
38 posted on 09/20/2005 8:30:02 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: RetiredArmy

It's nea a knife, it's a dirk. Up the Bonnie Prince!


39 posted on 09/20/2005 8:31:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Enterprise

We Americans can do anything we set our minds to!


40 posted on 09/20/2005 8:33:06 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Valin

Glasgow Kiss?


41 posted on 09/20/2005 8:35:16 AM PDT by FeliciaCat (I like my money where I can see it...hanging in my closet.)
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To: Valin

So, South Africa, The Sudan, Zimbabwe, Haiti, etc. are less dangerous than Scotland? I don't think so.


42 posted on 09/20/2005 8:35:25 AM PDT by A. Patriot
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To: Jaysun

My sister-in-law attended a professional conference in New Orleans a few years back. She, and others in her group, were accompanied by security people any time they went out.


43 posted on 09/20/2005 8:38:02 AM PDT by syriacus (Galloway blusters w/ such a "cute" accent. Did Germans think Hitler's Austrian accent was cute?)
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To: Fabozz
It was the currency reform. In the old days Scots would spend their time looking for lost farthings in the heather...now they drink and get violent.

Actually, Scotland had violence in the past...lots of killings in the Lowlands about 400 years ago, but that was before they were using English money.

Queen Elizabeth is descended from Robert I, who got his start by murdering his rival John Comyn in Dumfries on Feb. 10, 1306.

44 posted on 09/20/2005 8:41:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Valin
Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.

Oh that will work so well, kind of like the gun ban in Wash DC made it the least violent city in the USA (or is that the second most violent)

John Carnochan = total idiot (with JBT mindset)

45 posted on 09/20/2005 8:42:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Valin

These statistics are so skewed it's ridiculous.

The most violent countries in the world do not even keep statistics...and there's no way of knowing who did what. Think Liberia, Korea, Cuba, Sudan, any of the other Moslem countries...


46 posted on 09/20/2005 8:49:17 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Valin

The UN report on crime is nothing more than putting together work for overpaid under achievers working at the UN.

In other words...it means nothing.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1959952005


47 posted on 09/20/2005 8:51:36 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

I don't believe the report addresses state sponsored violence against its own people, but private enterprise (for lack of a better term) violence.


48 posted on 09/20/2005 8:55:06 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: A. Patriot
So, South Africa, The Sudan, Zimbabwe, Haiti, etc. are less dangerous than Scotland? I don't think so.

First line of the article...

A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world

49 posted on 09/20/2005 9:00:57 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Valin

So let me add that in addition to getting statistics wrong the report does not accurately report violence. It should have labeled it as non state - sponsored violence statistics or some such label.

That said, in many countries what we would consider to be violence in society is perfectly acceptable behavior. Think Moslem countries.


50 posted on 09/20/2005 9:02:08 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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