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Transcript of Able Danger Hearing Sept 21, 2005 -Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing
US Senate Committee on the Judiciary ^ | September 21, 2005 | US Senate

Posted on 09/21/2005 7:36:31 PM PDT by bobsunshine

Testimony of all people from today's hearing of the Senate Judiciaary Committee are located at this site:

DATE: September 21, 2005 TIME: 09:30 AM ROOM: 226 Dirksen OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST:

September 8, 2005

NOTICE OF COMMITTEE HEARING RESCHEDULED -- Wed., September 21, 2005 at 9:30 a.m.

The hearing on “Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing” scheduled by the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 9:30 a.m. in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building has been rescheduled to take place on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 9:30 a.m.

By order of the Chairman

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TOPICS: Announcements; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; 911commission; abledanger; atta; senatehearing; weldon
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1 posted on 09/21/2005 7:36:38 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

saved to file


2 posted on 09/21/2005 7:41:46 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: bobsunshine

saved to file


3 posted on 09/21/2005 7:41:48 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: bobsunshine

Does anybody know when it will be shown again if ever?


4 posted on 09/21/2005 7:48:11 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: bobsunshine; eyespysomething

Thanks for posting.


5 posted on 09/21/2005 7:52:49 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: bobsunshine
All of this is old news but I provide it for background.

DragonWare contained three parts:

Carnivore - A Windows NT/2000-based system that captures the information
Packeteer - No official information released, but presumably an application for reassembling packets into cohesive messages or Web pages
Coolminer - No official information released, but presumably an application for extrapolating and analyzing data found in the messages
As you can see, officials never released much information about the DragonWare Suite, nothing about Packeteer and Coolminer and very little detailed information about Carnivore. But we do know that Carnivore was basically a packet sniffer, a technology that is quite common and has been around for a while.

Echelon - This is a secret network rumored to be under development by the National Security Agency (NSA), supposedly designed to detect and capture packets crossing international borders that contain certain keywords, such as "bomb" or "assassination." There is no solid evidence to support the existence of Echelon. Many people confused this rumored system with the Carnivore system

I believe that there are National Security interests involved
with this Able Danger story that should prevent the details
from becoming public. We shouldn't want all of our surveillance
capabilities exposed on the floor of Congress. All that needs to
be said is, Clinton fiddled while OBL and his minions planned
for us to burn. Anything beyond that will just give airtime to
Leftist and Islamist Moon-bats and possibly giveaway to many
hints of our virtual battle plans.

If the NSA has Super Computer Sniffers butt-spliced to every
OC-192 pipe I don't want to give that information to every
enemy, foreign and domestic, that has free and clear access to
the Capitol Dome.

6 posted on 09/21/2005 7:55:57 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

CSPAN CSPAN


7 posted on 09/21/2005 7:56:35 PM PDT by Gorons
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To: bobsunshine

I am listening to Michael Savage right now...Sen Curt Wheldon said that 2.5 Terrabytes of info was ordered destroyed in 1999 about A Quaida, that is 1/4 of the Library of Congress and it is going to be the biggest scandal ever. The Pentagon is doing everything they can to keep this out of the press. I post the Savage on this site but it was removed? The 9/11 commission knew of the 2.5 terrabytes that were destroyed and did nothing. I am livid and outraged and feel like I live in N Korea.
abletruth


8 posted on 09/21/2005 7:57:08 PM PDT by abletruth (Liberals would Blame Bush For Their Bad Marriages...)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

According to schedule, CSPAN at 11:59PM EST tonight.


9 posted on 09/21/2005 8:10:05 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: abletruth

A lot of people on this site do not like Savage. However, Savage has been on this story from the get go. Rush did not even mention the hearings today. Neither did Laura Ingraham. I guess some posters are so blind to what is going on, they cannot see the truth.


10 posted on 09/21/2005 8:10:38 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: higgmeister

Echelon - This is a secret network rumored to be under development by the National Security Agency (NSA), supposedly designed to detect and capture packets crossing international borders that contain certain keywords, such as "bomb" or "assassination." There is no solid evidence to support the existence of Echelon. Many people confused this rumored system with the Carnivore system

Tha Aussies allready confirmed it's existence.

I know I pretty much speak for at least a few other when I say...

I dont give a crap how they found the information...I care about what the information IS...

We're talking potentially treasonous acts here man...We're told straight up that it was a lack of coherant intelligence...

Well that appears to be a bold faced lie...doesnt it...

Meaning it might very well have been the un-intended consequence of a political decision made out of self preservation...

Which also means that under the correct set of circumstances....it could happen again...

And not for lack of coherant inteligence...


11 posted on 09/21/2005 8:13:45 PM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Crim

When this story finally comes around - I hope that the names o f the schmucks who ran Adm. Poindexter out of the NSA and away from the data mining projects he was working on are duly noted. Political correctness in the Senate and elsewhere killed what would have been good efforts. I'm just hoping the DOD kept working on them in spite of Sen Boxer, et. al.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 8:25:24 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, but never in doubt.)
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To: Crim

It is important to our national security that no one know that Bill Clinton personally knew of the Able Danger findings and that he personally ordered the destruction of all records. What would people think if they knew this?


13 posted on 09/21/2005 8:28:13 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: higgmeister; bobsunshine

data aquisition is the simple part to the point of data overload that brought about analysis paralysis...

it was the

STARLIGHT - Visual Information System http://starlight.pnl.gov/

and the

SPIRE - Visual TEST Analysis http://www.pnl.gov/infoviz/spire.pdf

that are the revolution and the heart of AbleDanger.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 8:30:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: bobsunshine

This web site only has the transcripts of each witness' opening statement right? Or am I missing the transcripts when each witness was questioned?


15 posted on 09/21/2005 8:30:24 PM PDT by vadkins
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To: Chode
make that: SPIRE - Visual TEXT Analysis
16 posted on 09/21/2005 8:32:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: abletruth

No, it's not North Korea. It is the political arena of the U.S and it stinks whether Republicans or Democrats are involved. There are very few (Curt Weldon) who actually step up and call a spada a spade. The majority are out to protect the intersanctum from public viewing. They are a disgraceful lot.


17 posted on 09/21/2005 8:41:04 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: vadkins

Yes, only opening statements since they were put in the "record". Looking for complete transcripts of questions. See:

http://qtmonster.typepad.com/

For posting of other site links to Able Danger


18 posted on 09/21/2005 8:48:14 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

Thanks, as qtmonster.com is my blog. I have recorded part of a questioning session of the hearing today from C-SPAN3, but I missed the beginning. I have most of the Dugan questioning. I intend to transcribe this on my blog, hopefully tomorrow.


19 posted on 09/21/2005 8:56:34 PM PDT by vadkins
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To: bobsunshine
BTW, a blogger with an intelligence background, reports today that he took a phone call from a source who told him that Rumsfeld did not order LTC Shaffer not to testify at today's hearing. The blogger was told that the order came from someone much higher than Rumsfeld. The Freerepublic post is at here.
20 posted on 09/21/2005 9:06:22 PM PDT by vadkins
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To: bobsunshine

ty bump

Pinz


21 posted on 09/21/2005 9:06:58 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: vadkins

Thanks for the update. You have a Good site - Lots of info. The hearings are being rerun now on CSPAN, starting at midnight EST. I'm recording it now for later viewing.


22 posted on 09/21/2005 9:14:45 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

Contact your representatives now.


23 posted on 09/21/2005 9:16:53 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: bobsunshine

Thanks again for the heads up as to the hearings replay at midnight. I started recording Weldon at 12:15. We don't have any TV feed to our house, so I gather all my information (for the most part) from the internet.


24 posted on 09/21/2005 9:20:48 PM PDT by vadkins
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To: bobsunshine

bttt and thanks.


25 posted on 09/21/2005 9:21:36 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: bobsunshine

bttt


26 posted on 09/21/2005 9:21:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bobsunshine

Based on reviewing the transcripts, looks like the hearing today was a non-event. Really nothing said we didn't already know, because the DOD insisted the Able-Danger team members not be permitted to testify. Right?


27 posted on 09/21/2005 9:21:54 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: higgmeister

bttt


28 posted on 09/21/2005 9:22:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bobsunshine
Mark Zaid, Esq.
Attorney at Law ,

PREPARED STATEMENT OF MARK S. ZAID, ESQ.

BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY,
UNITED STATES SENATE

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2005

“Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing”

Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you to discuss some very important matters relating to our country’s national security interests. I would respectfully request that my statement be included as part of the Committee’s official record.

Unfortunately I am here today as a surrogate for several witnesses who the Department of Defense has forbidden from appearing before you. I am a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Krieger & Zaid, PLLC, which primarily represents cases that pertain to national security issues. Our typical clients are active members of the U.S. Intelligence Community. We currently represent Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, a civilian employee of the Defense Intelligence Agency and reserve officer within the U.S. Army, and Mr. James Smith, a defense contractor at the time with Orion Scientific Systems. Both men, who are sitting right behind me and were more than willing to appear before you today, actively worked on components of what is known as Able Danger.

I am here to impart to this Committee some degree of knowledge of what Able Danger was and what it accomplished, as well as identify some crucial questions surrounding related events. To be sure most of the information that will comprise my testimony is hearsay except to the extent I participated in specific activities. However, the value of my testimony does not derive from the truth of my statements but is to serve as a stepping stone to allow your Committee to undertake a proper and necessary investigation into matters that are very clearly within your jurisdiction.

I want to make it perfectly clear that nothing I say today constitutes a legal waiver of the attorney-client privilege that exists between my clients and I. My testimony primarily repeats information that has been discussed in open settings before third parties, or that I have obtained through non-client sources. Nor is anything I am stating today intended to be classified and, so far as I am aware, is classified. Although I have been in contact with the Department of Defense, and especially DIA, throughout the last several weeks about this matter, at no time did any government official inform me that classified information was at issue or that any concerns existed with respect to the public comments that had been made by my clients.

THE CREATION, OPERATION AND DISMANTLING OF ABLE DANGER

Able Danger was formed in 1999. General Peter Schoomaker, now the Chief of Staff for the Army, and General Hugh Shelton, then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, were instrumental in creating Able Danger. To date, to my knowledge, neither has publicly commented about what they knew. Until approximately the Summer of 2000 it operated under the auspices of the U.S. Army, and particularly through the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) and the Land Information Warfare Center (LIWA), which supports the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).


It was the understanding of those who worked on Able Danger during this time frame that their efforts were primarily unclassified. After LIWA severed its ties to Able Danger, the team shifted LIWA’s responsibility to defense contractors. This effort, which some are calling Able Danger II, lasted from the Summer 2000 to no later than March 2001, and did handle a significant amount of classified information. The information I am presenting today derives from the initial activities of Able Danger.

In the most understandable and simplistic terms, Able Danger involved the searching out and compiling of open source or other publicly available information regarding specific targets or tasks that were connected through associational links. No classified information was used. No government database systems were used. In addition to examining Al Qaeda links, Able Danger also handled tasks relating to Bosnia and China. The search and compilation efforts were primarily handled by defense contractors, who did not necessarily know they were working for Able Danger, and that information was then to be utilized by the military members of Able Danger for whatever appropriate purposes.

With respect to Al Qaeda, the starting point were those terrorists who were associated with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the New York City terror plots. Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, known as the blind Sheik, was one of those individuals who served as a focal point. By that I mean those supporting Able Danger would take specific names and attempt to obtain a list of individuals who were known to associate with the target names. The information might have been, but was not limited to, that derived from the Internet, commercial services such as Lexis/Nexis or Westlaw, or purchased from subcontractors who obtained data from multiple sources including foreign.



Again, what was being explored were associational links between individuals, meaning person “A” who was associated with Sheik Abdel-Rahman, and then identifying person “B” who was associated with person “A’ and so on. Essentially, think in your mind how the game “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” operates. That is a simplistic explanation of part of Able Danger’s activities.

The compiled information would be uploaded into an interactive computer program designed by the contractor that would create depictions of the links accompanied by all the underlying data to support those links. When possible photographic images of the identified individuals would be obtained and entered into the system. Every link and the data that supported the link could be accessed electronically with “drill down” capabilities, and usually the data had multiple sources. Each visible screen would then be printed out as a hard copy for submission, along with all supporting documentation, to the Able Danger liaison. These are the infamous charts we have heard about.

As part of their efforts multiple individuals associated with Able Danger have stated that they identified four of the terrorists, including Mohammed Atta, who subsequently were involved in the terrorist attacks on 9/11. At least one chart, and possibly more, featured a photograph of Mohammed Atta and had him linked through associational activities to the blind Sheik and others operating in or around Brooklyn, New York.

On at least three occasions those involved with Able Danger attempted to provide the FBI with information they had obtained. Each attempt failed, as it has been said, as a result of Army lawyers who either precluded the sharing or prevented the Able Danger personnel from attending the meeting. The stated concern was whether legal limitations restricted Able Danger from compiling information on U.S. persons. Their definition apparently included foreigners legally present on our soil. Based on my understanding of the law surrounding Posse Comitatus and the relevant DoD regulations, it would appear such an interpretation was unduly restrictive, and this is clearly an area for investigation by this Committee. I would specifically encourage the Committee to obtain the legal memoranda that would undoubtedly have been drafted and disseminated by the military lawyers. If a wall existed, it is imperative to understand if it still exists and how to dismantle it.

Eventually during the period December 2000 and March 2001, all records, both electronic and hard copy, were destroyed under orders of the Army. Additionally, we just recently learned that duplicate documentation that was maintained by Lt Col Shaffer at his civilian DIA office was apparently destroyed – for reasons unknown – by DIA in Spring 2004.

Let me emphasize two specific items for clarification purposes because they have been distorted and invited undue criticism from some.

• At no time did Able Danger identify Mohammed Atta as being physically present in the United States.

• No information obtained at the time would have led anyone to believe criminal activity had taken place or that any specific terrorist activities were being planned. Again, the identification of the four 9/11 hijackers was simply through associational activities. Those associations could have been completely innocuous or nefarious. It was impossible to tell which, and the unclassified work of Able Danger was not designed to address that question.


Additionally, let me also focus on several key points that led to this hearing being convened today.

First, those associated with Able Danger who remember the Atta photograph continue to believe that it was, in fact, the same Mohammed Atta who acted as one of the 9/11 hijackers. They specifically recall the photograph, which is not the same photograph published by any U.S. Government agency or the 9/11 Commission, because of the daunting and literally evil expression on his face.

Second, as has been stated repeatedly, Lt Col Shaffer met with staff members of the 9/11 Commission, to include its Executive Director, while serving on active duty in Afghanistan in October 2003. It is Lt Col Shaffer’s specific recollection that he informed those in attendance, which included several Defense Department personnel, that Able Danger had identified two of the three successful 9/11 cells to include Atta. That statement is disputed by the 9/11 Commission and may never be resolved. Nevertheless, it is clear the 9/11 Commission took Lt Col Shaffer’s comments, whatever the substance, very seriously and immediately attempted to obtain supporting documentation, which we now know had already been destroyed. Whatever documents the 9/11 Commission were given by the Department of Defense obviously did not support Lt Col Shaffer’s statements. That is an issue best directed not at the 9/11 Commission but at the Department of Defense.

Where it would appear the Commission failed to fulfill its responsibility was to simply go back to Lt Col Shaffer and query him for additional information, such as to identify other members of Able Danger who could have supported his statements. Had they done that in January 2004 they would have been led directly to numerous individuals, including James Smith, Navy Captain Scott Philpott (who on his own initiative in July 2004 approached the Commission) and others, who would have confirmed Lt Col Shaffer’s information. Thus, where we are today could have been investigated more than 18 months ago.

Third, while we have never claimed that Lt Col Shaffer’s security clearance problems were connected to his work on Able Danger, the coincidences of the timing should not be overlooked. An investigation was initiated and his security clearance suspended by the DIA shortly after it became known that he had provided information to the 9/11 Commission. The revocation of his security clearance conveniently took place two days ago just as he was preparing for his testimony before this Committee. As part of my law practice I specialize in security clearance cases. That is why I was retained by Lt Col Shaffer in the first place. Based on years of experience I can say categorically that the basis for the revocation was questionable at best. I am authorized and would be happy to discuss the specifics of Lt Col Shaffer’s security clearance during questioning.

Fourth, unfortunately we are not aware of the continuing existence of any chart containing Mohammed Atta’s name or photograph. The copies that would have been in the possession of the U.S. Army were apparently destroyed by March 2001. The copies within Lt Col Shaffer’s files were destroyed by the DIA in approximately Spring 2004. The destruction of these files is an important element to this story and I encourage the Committee to investigate it further. It would appear, particularly given the Defense Department’s outright refusal to allow those involved with Able Danger to testify today, that an obstructionist attitude exists. The question for this Committee is to investigate how far that position extends and why.

Additionally, James Smith maintained a copy of one chart that measured approximately 4 ½’ x 5’ through Summer 2004. But it was damaged in an office move and destroyed. Congressman Weldon was apparently in possession of either that specific or similar chart in late September 2001 and delivered it Stephen Hadley, then Deputy National Security Advisor. To my knowledge neither Mr. Hadley or the NSC has ever commented upon this fact.
Presumably one or more of the contractors would have retained copies of either the charts or at least some of the underlying data, and I would encourage the Committee to subpoena the information.

Finally, we will never know if the sharing of the Able Danger information with the FBI would have done anything to prevent or interfere with the terrorist plans of 9/11. Frankly, given what we know from the 9/11 Commission and other official investigations, there is no reason to believe anything would have changed.

However, according to the key members of the Able Danger team they identified four individuals who later became 9/11 hijackers. Those individuals were on a chart that had as many as five dozen names.

I would submit to you that the primary concern we should focus on is not who to blame for the obvious disconnect that occurred with respect to sharing information. We are already well aware of that problem, which still exists today. Instead, the focus should be on identifying the current location of the other several dozen possible terrorists on that list and what are they planning against us today, as well as to reconstitute the successful work initially started by Able Danger.

Thank you for this opportunity. I would be happy to try and answer any questions you might have.


29 posted on 09/21/2005 9:25:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: RTINSC
"It is important to our national security that no one know that Bill Clinton personally knew of the Able Danger findings and that he personally ordered the destruction of all records. What would people think if they knew this?"


One third would bend a knee to him, another third would follow the first third and the last third would be sick at heart, as they know old bj wasn't really calling the shots the copresident was.
30 posted on 09/21/2005 9:26:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: vadkins
On the History Channel a few weeks ago, there was an hour show documenting the "Hamburg Cell". It mentioned Able Danger not being allowed to contact FBI about ATTA. I'm reviewing the tape for a time-line. See if it matches what we already know or if there is anything new.
31 posted on 09/21/2005 9:27:28 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: All



Anyone have access to a search engine so find out a few questions......Any one know who TOny Gentry is? WHat his exact position was? WHo he is connected to?

IMO WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE DATA SEARCH OF OUR OWN?


32 posted on 09/21/2005 9:30:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Blanco, Landrieu, Nagin & Witt.. good name for a flood control business...Motto:"We got dikes!")
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To: vadkins
BTW, a blogger with an intelligence background, reports today that he took a phone call from a source who told him that Rumsfeld did not order LTC Shaffer not to testify at today's hearing. The blogger was told that the order came from someone much higher than Rumsfeld.

Great. Quadruple hearsay and from an anonymous source to boot.

And quit beating around the "Bush." The only person "higher" than Rumsfeld is the President. President Bush isn't going to be ordering a reserve Lt Col to do anything. That would be a colossal waste of his time.

I think some people at FR are going insane. It's beginning to to be diffucult to tell them apart from the crazies at DU.

33 posted on 09/21/2005 9:33:47 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: bobsunshine

The hearing is on CSpan now, Sen. Sessions is questioning witnesses, now.


34 posted on 09/21/2005 10:28:57 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: higgmeister
I believe that there are National Security interests involved with this Able Danger story that should prevent the details from becoming public.

The building known as The Pentagon seems over eager to destroy/ignore AD's chart. In view of ongoing terrorist operations such as The Great Ramadan Offensive at the very least America needs to follow Zaid's suggestion to locate the remaining people on that chart.
35 posted on 09/21/2005 11:25:40 PM PDT by Don K
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To: bobsunshine

I saw the rerun....pretty good session....I don't think this is going away.


36 posted on 09/22/2005 12:41:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: RTINSC

"It is important to our national security that no one know that Bill Clinton personally knew of the Able Danger findings and that he personally ordered the destruction of all records. What would people think if they knew this?"

LOL! It is important to our maintenance of our false sense of security.


38 posted on 09/22/2005 7:28:54 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: vadkins

"BTW, a blogger with an intelligence background, reports today that he took a phone call from a source who told him that Rumsfeld did not order LTC Shaffer not to testify at today's hearing. The blogger was told that the order came from someone much higher than Rumsfeld."

It's what I figured. And I love the cute intelligence talk. I believe there are only two people higher than Rumsfeld in the government, Bush and Cheney. That would make the only person "much higher" to be Bush.


39 posted on 09/22/2005 7:31:12 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

"When this story finally comes around - I hope that the names o f the schmucks who ran Adm. Poindexter out of the NSA and away from the data mining projects he was working on are duly noted."

I'm with you.


"Political correctness in the Senate and elsewhere killed what would have been good efforts."

"Political correctness" is a play way to say it. I call it traitors.


40 posted on 09/22/2005 7:32:32 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken


"Political correctness" is a 'play' way to say it. I call it traitors."

Sorry, I meant 'polite' way to say it.


41 posted on 09/22/2005 7:34:30 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: vadkins

Please ping me when you post the Q & A. That's the meat of the hearing. and thanks!


42 posted on 09/22/2005 7:40:31 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@ God Bless President Bush As the MSM and Democrats Seek To Destroy Him.com)
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To: ChadGore

"The compiled information would be uploaded into an interactive computer program designed by the contractor that would create depictions of the links accompanied by all the underlying data to support those links."


I was interested in data mining and data warehousing. At one point in time and did some reading on the subject. Data warehousing was initially used by large corporations to come to combine all the date it in a corporation into one huge pile---then analyze it. This includes completely incompatible data from any kind of program in the corporation. Techniques involved include "data cleaning"---cleaning the data so that it can be combined with previously incompatible types.

Once the data is gathered together into the warehouse, advanced software techniques are used to draw sometimes amazing inferences from connections between the pieces of data.

While data warehousing sounds mundane, the results are magic. For example, one large retail Corp. discovered, with no person directing the computer in this direction, but they had a high rate of theft of batteries, compared to other retail items. As a result of this finding, they moved all the batteries in their stores to the vicinity of the checkout counter. This cut theft significantly.

Just try to imagine the amount of data that exists today inside a large corporation. Of course, the amount of data available to able danger was much larger than that. The point is, no one had to decide in advance, what was important and what wasn't. Therein lies the tremendous power of the technique.

Now you can see how Al Qaeda members, apparently hidden, could have a flashlight shown on them using this technique.


43 posted on 09/22/2005 7:44:36 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: higgmeister

Okay, national security generally trumps all other issues. But Congress could investigate what the 9/11 Commission knew about Able Danger, and what the Commission did or didn't do about it. And none of the spook stuff would have to come out. The 9/11 Commission was a creature of Congress. I think a big issue here is how the 9/11 Commission dealt with the facts.


44 posted on 09/22/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: bobsunshine

bump


45 posted on 09/22/2005 8:05:37 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: bobsunshine
E-mail, write, call Congress today. Tell them you want the truth!!!!
46 posted on 09/22/2005 8:22:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
Things are getting a little more interesting on the hearings.

According to blogspot Topdog08.com, he said "the word I got from him (a friend checking Shaffer's story) was that contrary to popular knowledge, Rummy didn't pull the plug on the witnesses, it came from "Cobweb".

Cobweb is security for Vice President's office "Cheney" or assistant, per Secret Service.

Site for all code names:

http://www.2600.com/secret/more/codes.html
47 posted on 09/22/2005 8:44:05 AM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine; bmwcyle; strategofr; YaYa123; ChadGore; vadkins

Now it is really getting curiousier....Rove action maybe???

Things are certainly stirred up!


48 posted on 09/22/2005 10:27:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bobsunshine

bookmark


49 posted on 09/22/2005 12:51:53 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the looting! The IRS hates competition.)
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To: Crim

"We're talking potentially treasonous acts here man...We're told straight up that it was a lack of coherant intelligence... "

Seems there is alot of that going on in Washington DC these days.


50 posted on 09/22/2005 12:55:50 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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