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Adultery Is Killing the American Family
Illinois Leader ^ | 9/22/05 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 09/22/2005 5:48:16 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Jaysun

may not carry the stigma socially but....ya gotta answer to someone one day!!! Virtue is virtue and doesn't change with the times no matter who says what.


101 posted on 09/22/2005 7:38:33 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone will ever know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: wagglebee
But sex therapist Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth conservatively estimates that about 60 percent of married men and 40 percent of married women will have an affair at some time during their marriage. Maggie Scarf, author of Intimate Partners basically agrees.

This article is nonsense. These two hacks are trying to hype their books sales with their nonsense. For a more reasoned look at the facts see:

Study finds most married Americans remaining faithful

102 posted on 09/22/2005 7:39:35 PM PDT by Grim
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To: wagglebee

I thought homosexuality was the biggest threat?


103 posted on 09/22/2005 7:41:16 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: wagglebee
Adultery has been killing the family since time immemorial. There's nothing about it that is unique to America. By hostoric standards, in fact we do pretty well.

-ccm

104 posted on 09/22/2005 7:42:15 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Periods that last for several weeks, or headaches that last for days on end, are signs of significant illness and require a visit to the doctor. Some women think men don't know this.

-ccm

105 posted on 09/22/2005 7:49:21 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: Nonstatist
Oh give me a break! Thinking about something and doing it are 2 different things altogether

Not according to Jesus

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

106 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:38 PM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: justche

Actually, YOU are having it both ways. And you misread my post entirely.

Pro-life has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

You, as a God-loving person of conscience and belief, decided to have your child. Great and good and God bless the both of you. It is what I would wish for my sisters or daughters.

What I was referring to was the removal of the onus for children "born out of wedlock," as the quaint saying goes. That onus kept a lot of women from "going too far," as they knew the consequences were great.

Abortion, in the olden days of 25-30 years ago, was not a remedy for a bad situation like it's become today. It was relatively rare. When a woman of consience got pregnant outside of marriage, she toughed it out and raised the child, or gave it up to adoption (third option, unacceptable to both of us, she aborted it).

But what's going on today, with our "relaxed" society? Get pregnant? Abort. As people here know, abortion, for too many women, is not much more than a very late birth control application (and yes, damn their murdering souls). But now there's another option: Just have the kid. Cool. And I don't need a husband, because, in virtually every neighborhood in the US, no matter the income level, almost no one has the gonads to say, I disapprove of what you're doing.

It's all a complicated, confusing stew of morals and choices (and amoral choices!) coming out of the moral relativistic, feel-good, do what's best for me attitudes the left has--successfully--been foisting on us for two generations. Now you have millions of people who reflexively say, No one can tell a woman what to do with her own body!

Anyway, I appreciate your passion, which is born of your emotionalism for your situation and your child, and that is in no way any kind of criticism. I just think it led you to misinterpret what I was saying. You, I infer, are one of the exceptions--conscience, love, taking a moral stand.

Safe travel to you both.


107 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:42 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: luckystarmom

And none of that stuff ever happened before the internet?

The article was very dishonest in the way it handled the topic and blamed the internet for something that has been going on forever to some degree or other.

There's also been hurricanes, tornados, and earthquakes forever. Mass media just brings them home more quickly.


108 posted on 09/22/2005 7:54:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Liberalism is an ill fated luxury that we cannot afford at this time; it does not work in a crisis.)
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To: justche
Ain't it great that Jesus is in charge instead of a bunch of thick-headed, judgmental conservatives. In some ways, I am a conservative and in some ways I am a moderate. And in some ways, the way I am is neither moderate, liberal or conservative.

Yet I never fail to notice that those folks that fit a nice little template as to who they are...are the ones so quick to judge anyone different than them.

Ignorance is comfortable in the moldy extremes of either political party. It is always quick to accuse and never around when it is time to step up and accept responsibility.

A few days ago, there was a post on bicycles and conservatives flocked out in high numbers to say they would enjoy driving their SUV over a cyclist. And a few weeks ago, there was an article on pets being rescued in New Orleans. Conservatives lined up to disapprove of any effort that could have otherwise been spent on humans.

I hope you and I don't know first hand, but I fear (yes fear)...that conservatives and liberals will stand side by side in hell. And each will wonder why and how they failed. And they will be angry. Angry that they did not get their way!

109 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:07 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug
....Or if guys would quit farting and scratching their butts. :)

So there's that....

110 posted on 09/22/2005 8:07:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: John Robertson

You neglect to mention that single motherhood is not only a result of unmarried and unprotected sex, but from deadbeat fathers leaving their children behind when they leave their marriage. I am sure you realize that this is pathetically common and is in no way to be construed as a "choice" made by the mother except for her initial decision to marry a loser.

Even the most amicable divorces with two parents who love the child often result in one parent having physical custody and the other ending up with visitation. This is another scenario for single-parenthood where the custodial parent may not have "chosen" their situation, but rather agreed to it or was ordered by the court to comply.


111 posted on 09/22/2005 8:09:04 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use those bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: wagglebee
I Cor. 7:10-11 -

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


In the past 50 years we have grown to accept divorce and the adultery that comes from marrying another person while the spouse we vowed to (and to God) remains alive.

We do enough wrong already. Why can we not stay single or reconcile to maintain our half of the vow with God?
112 posted on 09/22/2005 8:09:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind
Why can we not stay single or reconcile to maintain our half of the vow with God?

Because people today divorce because they want more out of life.... not ~less~.

113 posted on 09/22/2005 8:13:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: thoughtomator

Thanks for the ping!


114 posted on 09/22/2005 8:16:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dust in the Wind
"50 percent say that President Bill Clinton's morals are "about the same as the average married man.""

----Not the ones I am involved with.

Out of curiosity, how many married men are you involved with?

115 posted on 09/22/2005 8:16:23 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: justche
I Cor. 7:10-11 - To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

That is why I have not remarried. In the end, I had to turn away each opportunity.

116 posted on 09/22/2005 8:18:00 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

If anyone marries thinking "this person will make me happy and change my life" he or she is in for a big letdown. If someone is looking for the perfect person, he/she is in for a big letdown.

If someone is looking for a life companion to help and be helped by, to go through life as a team, to care about that other person as much or even more than you care about yourself, to be faithful and loyal even when you see the warts (and guess what, they see yours), even when times are tough, to reach out your hand and help your spouse over the rough spots, to cheer him or her when she's down, to share the good times, to know when to talk, when to listen, and when to leave him/her alone...And to do it all because God says that's the way it should be - then it's very likely the marriage will be a good one.

If someone marries knowing that even when the outside ages, the inside is still eternal - and learns to see through the outside into the inside - that will be a good marriage.

If someone is looking for a sex object who will never get old, a meal ticket who'll always make lots of money, someone who's hair will never turn grey or fall out, don't get married.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

Note: Pornography ruins people.


117 posted on 09/22/2005 8:19:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It really does come down to selfishness ("I want") rather than maintaining one's integrity and vow before God and others.

We are a sad lot.


118 posted on 09/22/2005 8:20:00 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Dark Skies

There is biblical reason for divorce and its the topic of thread. Why not remarry another if adultry was the cause for divorce in one's first marriage?


119 posted on 09/22/2005 8:20:13 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: wagglebee; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

Any thoughts?

120 posted on 09/22/2005 8:23:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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