Posted on 09/24/2005 7:49:01 PM PDT by lonster
4. Peace does not mean the absence of war.
From Rush Limbaugh's "35 Undeniable Truths"
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~dni1/humor/lists/Rush.shtml
You're Welcome. Sorry about your loss. I am sure your Dad is looking down from above and is very proud of you.
Actually, peace can come from appeasement as much as from strength when appeasement is offered in the face of strength. Of course it's usually only a temporary peace.
And it depends on how you define peace as does the question "how does peace happen??? "
If peace is the absence of active violence, then peace can happen as a result of strength and appeasement. But both strength and appeasement imply violence held in reserve for use when necessary, so that may not be true peace.
I heard it said (in a movie of all places, but I liked it) that peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of justice. And it's been said justice is every one having his own right.
So, if peace is the presence of justice, then maybe peace happens through personal enlightenment and self discipline. When we become knowledgeable of our own rights, the rights of others and the limits of those rights, and at the same time become self-disciplined enough to not transgress those rights even though we might want to, then perhaps we'll have peace.
Maybe.
And if that's peace, I wouldn't look for peace to happen anytime soon.
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when the worst dictators in the world use the u.n. as a forum to blather about the u.s. how can there ever be justice?? peace is a big bicep and loaded gun. that is what it always has been, and what it always will be.
i like to think so. we argued a whole bunch when i was young. funny, the older i get, that smart he was.
Peace is the absence of war, but governments kill more people in peacetime than in wartime. We should be looking to reduce human slaughter, not just "peace".
Below are selected quotes from http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html:
"Nearly 170 million people probably have been murdered by governments in the 20th Century, 1900-1987; over four times those killed in combat in all international and domestic wars during the same years."
"In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987."
"In no case (since 1816) has there been a war involving violent military action between stable democracies..." "...Indeed, we have here a general principle that is gaining acceptance among students of international relations and war. That is that democracies don't make war on each other. To this I would add that the less democratic two states the more likely that they will fight each other."
governments do kill, but they kill those that have no way to defend themselves. those with the biceps and guns force peace. that is the only real peace, when those that would harm you don't dare to do so because of your STRENGTH.
Peace of mind comes, partly, from accepting that war always was and probably always will be.
Thank you for your fathers service!
I hope we see more tomorrow at the Pro troops rally!
( not a good speller, Myself)
sorry, not able to attend. will be there in spirit. and if any comes near i will attend rest assured.
sorry, not able to attend. will be there in spirit. and if any comes near i will attend rest assured.
none of my clientz would be empressed wit yur deliveree prucess. but thats okay cents we now nothin bowt kummunkatun. now eye gotta figger out how to git owt a massage to jesse jakson or al sharpton.
An authoritarian government with a military will always be stronger than any individual citizen, no matter now well armed he is. If I had to choose between giving up a democratic form of government and giving up second amendment rights, I would instantly pick the latter. I'm all for strength -- the United States should do what is necessary to remain the world's only superpower, and I strongly support second amendment rights. But our strengths should be in the service of our democratic republic. If R.J. Rummel is right (I posted a link to his website) then democracies keep the body count down both by avoiding war with each other, and by not killing as many of their citizens during peacetime.
you are right. i believe the fore fathers were well aware of this concept and that is a big reason they included the second amendment. when the government becomes totalitarian it is the right of the people to fight for their rights laid out for them in the bill of rights and the constitution.
Great, the link I posted to R.J. Rummel's site doesn't work.
Let me try it again.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html
i only took a quick glance at the site, bout time for bed yaknow, but i found only one thing i disagree with. one doesn't have famine with freedom. what about the dust bowl days in the bread basket during the early 20th century?? wouldn't that be an exception??
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