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'60s war protest song is out of step in fashion ad (LAUGH ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | September 26, 2005 | RICHARD 'DOPEY' ROEPER SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Posted on 09/26/2005 4:23:05 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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To: dsc

I thought that it was Catcher in the Rye that got him killed.


101 posted on 09/26/2005 5:16:59 PM PDT by Clemenza (Giuliani endorsed Clinton and Cuomo)
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To: dsc
"... his funding of terrorism was what eventually got him killed."

?!?!?!?!?!?! Do tell.
102 posted on 09/26/2005 5:22:05 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Maybe it was delayed karma in his case.


103 posted on 09/26/2005 6:00:07 PM PDT by xp38
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To: umbagi
A minor nit--although Donovan covered it with great success, "Universal Soldier" was written by Buffy Sainte-Marie, I believe...

Absolutely, that is my understanding too. I'm betting Buffy didn't write "Sunshine Superman" though!! (And I thought she had the most irritating voice -- I wasn't too big on the folkies anyway.)

104 posted on 09/26/2005 6:35:24 PM PDT by speedy
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To: speedy
I thought she had the most irritating voice -- I wasn't too big on the folkies anyway.

Can't disagree with the first part. She wrote some great music and pretty good poetry, though, so I bought all her stuff "back then"--same-same with Leonard Cohen, Kris Kristofferson and many others who couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, or didn't try.

Back then, I thought I was going to get rich writing music and singing (I still believe I was good enough, just not good-looking and politically correct enough, but I'm sure some might disagree ;-). At any rate, when I heard something I liked, I wanted to hear the songwriter do it, even if I didn't like their interpretation much. The hippie "interpretation groove" thing, you know?

Sometimes subtle changes in style or lyrics make large differences in effect or "meaning." Covers of Sylvia Fricker's "You Were On My Mind" and Dylan's "One Too Many Mornings," as well as Buffy Sainte-Marie's cover of Joni Mitchell's "Circle Game"--which grabbed even this then-mostly-closeted Republican at the end of The Strawberry Statement--come to mind.

I wasn't big on "the folkies," either, at first; I had a rock band, until rock went psycho. I became a folkie around the time my favorite rock group (maybe still my favorite group) did "Eight Miles High" (a good song, but a better folk song than a psychedelic rocker, for my tastes).

Besides, doin' folk by myself meant I didn't have to split with three or four other folks :-). I never got rich at it, but it paid for most of my education (a law degree I no longer use) and got me lots of--uh, well, I had a lot of fun...

All that was our music, though, and it's a big part of our memories now, even for those of us who've rejected its message as we "grew up." My non-classical library is about two-thirds "oldies," and I have a lot of music. Some commie makes a few cents every other time I order a CD--but at least the message of the radical stuff is long since lost on me.

105 posted on 09/26/2005 8:06:58 PM PDT by umbagi (Austin)
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To: umbagi

Well put, umbagi. And if you're talking about that Byrds album "Fifth Dimension" that had "Eight Miles High" and a lot of other good songs, I think I wore out about three copies of it. And I do understand the point about going solo and not having to share the take with the drummer -- incipient Conservatism, even while you were singing Phil Ochs and Tim Buckley.


106 posted on 09/26/2005 8:57:31 PM PDT by speedy
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To: speedy

Phil Ochs? How did you know? I haven't quit--"Changes" remains one of my favorite songs, ever. I prefer Ian and Sylvia's version--my only copy is on vinyl...


107 posted on 09/26/2005 9:28:39 PM PDT by umbagi (Austin)
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To: Chi-townChief

"Do tell."

Yeah, that was going around the intel community.


108 posted on 09/27/2005 12:01:15 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

a whole ten times?

like wow....lol

I owned Volunteers...and lotsa other JA

what can I say?

I'm sorry kiddies?



109 posted on 09/27/2005 12:07:59 AM PDT by wardaddy (You're too good for him.)
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To: Dick Vomer

hardly....


110 posted on 09/27/2005 12:09:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (You're too good for him.)
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To: dsc
All those years, even seeing them live, and the only song they ever did that I halfway liked was "I Will Survive."

"I will survive" is a Gloria Gaynor disco song, re-introduced in the movie "The Replacements". "Touch of Grey" is the song you are referring to..

111 posted on 09/27/2005 12:17:38 AM PDT by cardinal4 ("This is the story of the Hurricane......")
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To: murphE

nah....Donovan's best was:
(am I the only former freak on this thread?)


The Intergalactic Laxative
Words & Music by: Donovan Leitch - 1973
Performed by: Donovan
Album: Cosmic Wheels - 1973

I was impressed like everyone,
When man began to fly,
Out of earthly regions,
To planets in the sky.
With total media coverage,
We watched the heros land,
As ceremoniously
They disturbed the cosmic sand.

In awe with admiration,
We listened to the talk.
Such pride felt they,
Such joy to be
Upon the moon to walk.
My romantic vision shattered,
When it was explained to me,
Spacemen wear old diapers
In which they shit and pee.

Oh, the intergalactic laxative,
Will get you from here to there.
Relieve you and believe me,
Without a worry or care.
If shitting is your problem,
When you're out there in the stars,
Oh, the intergalactic laxative
Will get you from here to Mars.

They don't partake like you and I,
Of beefy burger mush.
Their food is specially prepared
To dissolve into slush.
Absorbed by multi-fibers
In the super diaper suit,
Otherwise the slush would trickle
Down inside the boot.

Oh, the intergalactic laxative,
Will get you from here to there.
Relieve you and believe me,
Without a worry or care.
If shitting is your problem
When you're out there in the stars,
Oh, the intergalactic laxative
Will get you from here to Mars.

You may well ask now what becomes
Of liquid they consume.
A pipe is led from penis head
To a unit in the room.
The water is recirculated,
Filtered for re-use.
In case of anti-gravity -
Pee gets on the loose.

Oh, the intergalactic laxative,
Will get you from here to there.
Relieve you and believe me,
Without a worry or care.
If shitting is your problem
When you're out there in the stars,
Oh, the intergalactic laxative
Will get you from here to Mars.

Wherever man has conquered,
On the quest for frontiers new,
(Da da da da)
I'm glad that he's always had to do
The number one and two.
It makes it all so ordinary,
Just like you and me,
To know the greatest heroes,
They had to shit and pee.

The intergalactic laxative
Will get you from here to there,
For cosmic constipation
There's none that can compare.
If shitting is your problem
When you're out there in the stars,
Oh, the intergalactic laxative,
The intergalactic laxative,
The intergalactic laxative,
Will get you from here to Mars.


112 posted on 09/27/2005 12:24:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (You're too good for him.)
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To: wardaddy

By '73, I had already made the move. Though still a registered 'rat, I voted for Nixon in '72 (and caught hell for it.)


113 posted on 09/27/2005 2:48:15 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: LRS

LOL! I love that song! My fave Japanese pop group the Pizzicato 5 sampled the cello break from that song about a jillion times...


114 posted on 09/27/2005 2:51:29 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: wardaddy
(am I the only former freak on this thread?)

Nope. I'll prove it...

God is playing marbles,
With His planets in the sky.

115 posted on 09/27/2005 3:04:31 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: Chi-townChief
I guarentee that Grace, Jorma,, Marty, and company were thinking of $$$ signs when they wrote that song.........

.......NOT being political activists. They were at the top of the heap of 'hippy-crites'.

116 posted on 09/27/2005 3:09:41 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: umbagi
Phil Ochs? How did you know?

Hmmm -- I must have seen you perform! "Changes" was indeed a good song -- haven't heard it in ages. Haven't heard Ian and Sylvia for ages either.

117 posted on 09/27/2005 3:39:41 AM PDT by speedy
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To: cardinal4

""Touch of Grey" is the song you are referring to.."

Thanks. Got more than a touch myself, complete with CRS syndrome.


118 posted on 09/27/2005 4:13:04 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Chi-townChief
Protests? There were protesters in D.C. last weekend? /sarc I was downtown during the "protests", they were lame, full of middle aged hippies who were trying to relive the 60's. They were mostly baby-boomers who had other axes to grind (gay marriage, amnesty international, etc.) I was struck at how unimaginative, and old news their signs were ("Bush lied about WMD" and the populous "Regime Change Begins at Home") Obviously we are dealing with sore losers.

Cheers,
CSG

119 posted on 09/27/2005 4:34:02 AM PDT by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: wardaddy
(am I the only former freak on this thread?)

In 1973 I was in 1st grade. I only know who Donovan is because I was the youngest of seven children and my older siblings had large album collections. =D

120 posted on 09/27/2005 5:05:05 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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