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Shuttle and Space Station were Mistakes, Space Agency Chief Tells US Daily
AFP ^ | 9/28/05

Posted on 09/28/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by anymouse

The US space agency NASA lost its way in the 1970s when it focused on the space shuttle and International Space Station, NASA chief Michael Griffin reportedly said.

"It is now commonly accepted that was not the right path," Griffin said. "We are now trying to change the path while doing as little damage as we can."

Asked whether the shuttle had been a mistake, Griffin told USA Today: "My opinion is that it was. It was a design which was extremely aggressive and just barely possible."

Asked whether the space station had been a mistake, he said: "Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in."

Griffin announced September 19 that the United States will send four astronauts to the moon in 2018 in a major return to its pioneering manned missions into space.


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KEYWORDS: griffin; iss; nasa; shuttle; space; spacestation
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Whoa! This is going to ruffle a few feathers.
1 posted on 09/28/2005 9:02:45 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: KevinDavis

Space pork ping.

2 posted on 09/28/2005 9:04:52 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

There was one good thing from the Shuttle - USSR died trying to follow the same path.


3 posted on 09/28/2005 9:05:09 AM PDT by alex
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To: anymouse

Yeah, God forbid we take any risks or be ambitious with our space program.

Jeez, what's with this guy


4 posted on 09/28/2005 9:06:09 AM PDT by Lauretij2
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To: anymouse

Some of us have been saying that on FR for years, and all we do is get trashed for it. Let's see what the NASA worshippers will say about this (that is, if they get time away from the Dungeons and Dragons game they are playing over their HAM radios).


5 posted on 09/28/2005 9:06:09 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: anymouse

It's nice to know I wasted a few years of my life on a mistake. What a bonehead statement!

This is possibly true for the Space Station, especially after it morphed from the original Freedom design to "Ralpha" (Russia + Alpha) and moved from 28 deg to 51.5 deg to suit Russia, but not shuttle. We learned everything we know about reusable space propulsion hardware from shuttle. That information will be priceless if we ever get to critical mass in repeated flights to orbit.


6 posted on 09/28/2005 9:06:29 AM PDT by Rockitz (Geena YES, Hill NO!)
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To: anymouse

Damn! This man is making a lot of sense! What's he doing in govt.? No doubt he will soon be fired.


7 posted on 09/28/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: anymouse

Yep. I agree with the guy.

We put someone on the moon and then decided that the next step was merely orbiting the earth so we could do lab work in a reentry vehicle.

Amazingly near sighted.


8 posted on 09/28/2005 9:08:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: saganite

Damn! This man is making a lot of sense! What's he doing in govt.? No doubt he will soon be fired.

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Baloney. This guy is a loon.

I can see him responding to President Kennedy.. "Sorry sir, but we do not have the technology to go to the moon."

Lastly, the money we spend on the space program is microsopic compared to other programs (not even divisions) - and that is not even considering the spin offs which go directly into the market from space exploration.


9 posted on 09/28/2005 9:10:35 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: anymouse
..."Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in."...

The agreement on the orbit inclination was an appeasment to the Russians.

That orbit has cost us millions (and perhaps 7 astronauts) in upgrades to the shuttle components.

In order to reach that orbit the SSME's have to run at 105% (IIRC), the ET had to be redesigned to be lighter (which may have contributed to the Columbia disaster)and the SRB's had to have modifications done.

10 posted on 09/28/2005 9:11:24 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I don't look good naked anymore.)
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To: anymouse
"Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in."--------------------------------------------- Not so harsh! We got Tang!
11 posted on 09/28/2005 9:12:22 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
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To: onedoug

ping


12 posted on 09/28/2005 9:12:30 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: anymouse
Almost 40 years ago our astronauts WALKED on the moon. If 'space exploration' would have continued with that same energy and inspiring vision one can only guess where NASA would be today.

It is almost sad looking back to those days...... for it seems we have wasted these 40 years when they [NASA] changed directions and left the FINAL FRONTIER.

13 posted on 09/28/2005 9:13:06 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: All

It's amazing what some people will do when tasked with spending a huge pile of other people's money.


14 posted on 09/28/2005 9:13:13 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: anymouse
Abandoning the moon program was a tragic decision. Blatantly stupid at the time, it seems even more so today.
16 posted on 09/28/2005 9:15:51 AM PDT by zarf (It's swollen, yes.)
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To: alex
There was one good thing from the Shuttle - USSR died trying to follow the same path.

The Shuttle was a big part of that. The mistake was sticking with it for too long.

17 posted on 09/28/2005 9:17:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: anymouse

Can we turn the Shuttles into bombers for Iraq? That payload could hold quite a few MOABs.


18 posted on 09/28/2005 9:17:17 AM PDT by montag813
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To: anymouse
Where Mr. Griffin would have built his space station?
In the Antarctic, on the moon or on Mars?
For nearly all low gravity experiments you need a station in space and not on moon. To gather experience for long term missions in space a space station is much cheaper and saver.

The goal why America went to moon in 1969 was always clear. It was not a scientific mission it was just a way to show your muscles to the Russians.

But today I am not quite sure about the aim going back to moon. As training for a mission to mars? Just to be there? Well, there is still something on Mars http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html
19 posted on 09/28/2005 9:17:45 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: xzins
We put someone on the moon and then decided that the next step was merely orbiting the earth so we could do lab work in a reentry vehicle.

Yep... and a reentry vehicle that lacks the power to re-enter at sub orbital speed.

20 posted on 09/28/2005 9:18:18 AM PDT by kjam22
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