Posted on 09/30/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by NormB
Estimates of the numbers of gays in the priesthood vary from 25 percent to 50 percent. About one-third of the 42,500 U.S. priests are members of religious orders.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
I most certainly was not suggesting that there is. However in modern times the whole Jesuit order for the most part has abandoned the faith.
"I wisxh you were right. But a few nights ago on Catholic radio (EWTN), a caller phoned in with a question about how many seminarians are gay and the priest answering questions had to admit to 25-50%. So those are the church's own figures."
One priest, on a call-in, isn't necessarily giving the "church's own figures." And, I may still be right.
Very clever. Very pointed. It really speaks for itself, doesn't it?
But I thought you had to be at least 18 to post on FR. Welcome, young feller! You're really snarky.
Note this author's obsession with prestigious degrees and titles, and with fancy social connections. What the devil does any of that have to do with being a good priest or a good Catholic? Jesus was a carpenter. This woman's shallow values make her the condign person to praise a priest who obviously wasn't true to his vows.
Thanks. Godspeed.
Safe travel.
The rules of the Roman Catholic Church on earth are largely made by the popes as Christ's Vicars on earth, whether enemies of the Roman Catholic Church like it or not. We are NOT subject to rules construed into "existence" by every or any "reformed" Tom, Dick and Harriet with a Bible and a few reading lessons.
If you actually have swallowed the lying piece of propaganda that 10% of the population is homosexual (now admitted by its propounders to be a lie) you really should study up.
It's all here at this link, categorized for your reading pleasure:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~scripter/index
He certainly doesn't love everything everyone says or does. He makes that explicity clear.
It was actually written shortly before the current sexual abuse problems erupted. The subtitle is: How Liberalism Bought Corruption Into the Catholic Church. As usual, you can usually find liberalism at the root cause of most of the problems in our culture. I believe it was in this book that he described the pristhood as bascially evolving in recent decades into a "gay profession," much like male flight attendants. In many seminaries, "straight" candidtates are actually weeded out.
Here are a couple reviews of the book from Amazon. It was a real eyeopener for me, and I'd highly recommend it:
"Written shortly before the current scandal broke upon the Roman Catholic Church, Rose's book seems almost prophetic as he documents the systematic rejection of pious, orthodox seminary applicants in many dioceses and the encouragement of questionable attitudes and agendas. Rose, who was editor of St. Catherine Review for seven years, is the author of numerous articles, essays, and books that question the wisdom of contemporary liberal Catholicism. Here, he discusses the causes of the chronic priest shortage, including the misuse of psychological screening and what appears to be blatant discrimination against the kind of young men who were once considered ideal candidates for the vocation. He gives a disturbing glimpse behind the scenes that may go far in explaining the church's present difficulties. Based primarily on interviews, the book is carefully footnoted and contains a bibliography of sources cited and consulted. Highly recommended for anyone interested in this prominent topic, and for public and academic libraries." C. Robert Nixon, MLS, Lafayette, IN Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.
Book Description: "Goodbye, Good Men provides the real story behind the sex scandal currently rocking the Catholic church. Investigative reporter Michael Rose has conducted countless interviews and exhaustive research to uncover several out-of-control seminaries as the root cause of the scandal. While most pundits and critics are calling for liberalization of the Church in the wake of these scandals, Rose presents compelling evidence that liberal influence is the very cause of the crisis. The revelations in Goodbye, Good Men will shock the nation and ignite a firestorm of debate on the subject."
The book is available on Amazon.com
No...if I am right, the samplings are worthless. That doesn't give the wrong results a sudden, meaningless, exponential jump. Jeesh.
Let's rephrase that, shall we?
Does anyone know if the Jesuits are still worth a damn?
Well, yes, there are a few.
Like Fr. Fessio, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Fr. Spitzer in Gonzaga, and there MUST be a few others...
Thanks for the ping! I will ping this out later.
(Good to see you, friend!)
The letter your post made several assertions which do not reflect objective truth. Here are just a couple:
"The God I pray to created all human beings. I believe he made some of them gay."
There is zero evidence that anyone is born "gay". Even homosexual activist researchers who have tried for years to prove that there is a "gay" gene, that people are born "gay", have had to admit they haven't found the evidence they're looking for. Here's a link that give a lot of information about the actual causes of homosexuality. I suggest you give it a read:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420619/posts
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
"But homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia."
Consider this: roughly one third of all child molestation is same sex. Homosexuals are about 2% of the population, yet one third of child molestation is same sex. That should tell you something. If you read the article and info on the thread linked above, you'll find more information about homosexuality and child and adolescent molestation. A much higher percentage of homosexuals were sexually molested when young, and continue the practice as adults. Not all, not most - but a MUCH higher percentage than the general population. (Actually, a huge percentage of homosexuals were molested when young. It is definitely one of the most pervasive factors contributing to homosexuality.)
Before supporting homosexuality in the priesthood any more, you owe it to yourself and those reading this forum to educate yourself.
Man that is some nasty reading.
I recommend it highly to anyone, especially Catholics.
I wish Jesus would appear and comment on their use of His name. I'd like to hear Our Lord's opinion of that.
Who we decide to ordain and what standards for ordination we decide to enforce for our clergy is our business, not yours.
Right now we are trying to correct laxities that have led to atrocities, and we've adopted the reasonable position that if you exclude persons inclined to sodomy from positions of authority, then persons in authority will no longer sodomize people.
If you want to be pastored by a sodomy fan or participant, there are many religious organizations which would be more than happy to accomodate you.
It's neither a mental disease, nor does it require physical engagement. As I said before it's a noun and is the same sex version of the noun and opposite sex word heterosexual. John O doesn't get to define words.
"disease"
I thought the act was a sin?
"If someone never commits the act of homosexual behavior then they are not a 'homosexual'. Only the act gives definition to the disease"
Utterly ridiculous.
Yes it does.
Well, sure He does. Absolutely and completely.
But, He certainly does not like the sins which we mere mortals commit. It keeps us away from a full relationship with Him.
Have you ever heard the saying, "Hate the sin, Love the sinner."
I thought so...
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