Posted on 10/01/2005 7:05:29 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
Edited on 10/01/2005 7:21:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
According to the KKTV report above it appears as if there is a possibility Hinrichs was "used" as many here have suggested. Seeing as it was a remote controlled device could lend credence to accomplices as well.
BFLR. Thank you!
Just go to the home page of FR and scroll down to Alamo Girl on the left side.
DUH - *smacks forehead*
Thank you! I always come in through a "side door". LOL
Wow! Thank you. I've had my nose buried in records and docs, trying to piece together when the Hinrichs family lived where.
Found another sister, a probable brother, and a whole bunch of people who have lived in the many same little towns they have in 5 different states, all in their 20s and 30s, but they add up to too many siblings, if they're related! It's mind-boggling. I'll try to summarize what I have up to now, a little later. Gotta catch my breath and read some of these developments!
Thanks again!
UPDATE - OKLAHOMA - Interesting Links On The Net:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46701
"Oklahoma bombing search warrant sealed
Justice Department requests action in case of 'jihad' student's suicide"
Posted: October 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jayna Davis and Jon Dougherty
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The warrant used to execute a search of Oklahoma University bomber Joel "Henry" Hinrichs III's apartment, where an undetermined amount of explosives were found, has been sealed by a federal court at the request of the Justice Department.
Hinrichs blew himself up yards from Oklahoma Memorial Stadium Saturday night while tens of thousands of fans watched an OU-Kansas State football game.
Bob Troester, first assistance U.S. attorney in Oklahoma City, said the department requested the warrant be sealed, but declined to elaborate when asked why it was necessary to do so given previous media reports that a depressed Hinrichs acted alone and on a whim.
"You can draw whatever assumption you like," he said. "We don't comment on any sealed indictments.""
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/1884307.html
Stadium Security
AP
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The University of Oklahoma says it's tightening security at Oklahoma Memorial Stadium after a student with explosives attached to his body died in a blast nearby.
Twenty-one-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs the Third of Colorado Springs died Saturday when an explosive device attached to his body went off. It happened within one hundred yards of the stadium as thousands of fans watched a football game there."
http://www.normantranscript.com/
http://www.channeloklahoma.com
http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/5065442/detail.html
"Norman Police: Officer Went 'Above And Beyond'"
by Ryan Welton, Managing Editor
POSTED: 10:05 am CDT October 6, 2005
UPDATED: 7:33 pm CDT October 6, 2005
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "NORMAN, Okla. -- Norman police confirmed Thursday that they ran a routine investigation of a 21-year-old University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up on campus Saturday night.
At a 2 p.m. news conference, Norman Police Department spokesman J.D. Younger said an off-duty, plainclothes officer overheard a conversation Joel Henry Hinrichs III had with the proprietor of a Norman feed store last Thursday at 4 p.m. The conversation centered on a purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.
"I think it's important to note that it's not a criminal activity to purchase ammonium nitrate fertilizer," Younger said.
However, he noted that the context of Hinrichs' conversation with a manager of Ellison Feed & Seed was suspicious. Younger indicated that the off-duty officer reported that Hinrichs asked about different types of fertilizer and the concentration of ammonium nitrate in each."
http://www.oudaily.com
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/05/4344a2c30d701
"Aftermath affects Muslim community"
"An OU instructor was questioned by law enforcement agencies."
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "With Internet reports and newscasts purporting a supposed connection between Hinrichs and the mosque, Barakat and other Muslims are worried about public perception.
“I’ve never seen (Hinrichs) before, just on the news,” Barakat said.
He did, however, know OU finance major Fazal M. Cheema, Hinrichs’ roommate.
On the night of the explosion, Barakat was visiting friends, including Cheema, at his apartment complex. Around midnight — about four and a half hours after the explosion on the South Oval — Cheema exited the apartment and Barakat said he heard Cheema being taken into custody by Norman Police Department officers, who urged Barakat and the six or seven others to stay inside."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=oubombing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497194/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497855/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497855/posts?page=62#62
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497375/posts?page=474#474
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4413#4413
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4437#4437
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4452#4452
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4462#4462
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4490#4490
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4503#4503
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1495058/posts?q=1&&page=4515#4515
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1494800/posts?page=1297#1297
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498063/posts
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003680.htm
MICHELLE MALKIN.com - blog: "OKLAHOMA BOMBER: DELVING DEEPER" (October 6, 2005)
http://www.floppingaces.net/2005/10/06/oklahoma-bombing-update-ii/
http://www.floppingaces.net/2005/10/05/oklahoma-bombing-update/
http://floppingaces.blogspot.com/2005/10/oklahoma-bombing.html
http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/archives/2005/10/06/mainstream_media_silent_on_ou_football_bomber.php
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17772_Zombie-_Oklahoma_Suicide_Bombing_Reports&only
http://blogs.icerocket.com/search?q=Oklahoma
Thanks for the summary to keep me up to date and thanks to Howlin for asking. I don't see anything new since yesterday. Truly the MSM+Drudge avoidance of the story is the most amazing thing about it. Our first USA Muslim-connected suicide bomber and no one is talking about it.
I figured we'd just go right to the people who know what's going on!!
Nam Vet
Wasn't his funeral/memorial service supposed to have been today (meaning Thursday, yesterday) at 2PM at the Lutheran Church in Colo Springs?
Did you see anything about it, or is it mentioned in the video link--which I won't be able to view? Does anybody know?
An obit would help me piece some of these family members together better.
I found Angela Soleil Hinrichs, age 32, who graduated from MIT and got her MS there in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, the thesis for which is online. She apparently took part or is still part of the team now at UC-Santa Cruz mapping the human genome. She also developed software for 6 years, designing microchips for digital video and networking.
She appears to live in Sunnyvale, which is also a previous addy for the family, but I have one more piece of info that may be an update to that, so I have to still confirm it before posting it.
Don't take that post about Hinrichs' convo with Ellison as truth. I got it from a blog who said it came from Dustin Ellison himself, but in all his interviews, he has said he doesn't even carry any ammonium nitrate--so you see he couldn't have had that conversation about "taking all you have--22 sacks" with Hinrichs.
The other, about all those explosives, might be true, but it's from the same source. Like I said, may not be reliable. I just passed it on as something that's out there and being attributed to named sources.
PS to my post above about a sister Angela--she did have a previous address at their home on Hackamore in Colo Springs, so is confirmed.
Nam Vet
Thank you! (For the "young," I mean. I *ain't.*)
Funny thing about that. As I read all these articles about what's going on and the behind-the-scenes stuff, I keep running across names of old geezer cronies of mine in various collateral positions connected to "Norman and Oklahoma Terrorism." It has been like old home week, in a way. I'll post about it some time.
Those investigating Waco and Ruby Ridge, the "militias", gun owners, and the religious right were all splattered with the blame for the bloodshed there, to Clinton's political advantage, effectively muzzling many of Clintons' most harsh and outspoken critics.
Ensuing investigations into Waco were whitewashed (including the Congressional one), and the idea that the Murragh Building bombing had already extracted reprisal for Waco took the wind out of any prosecutorial sails.
The MSM participated with a vengeance, to the point that CNN ran commercials over questions asked by Republicans during the first couple of hours of hearings, and only came back to the feed for Chuck Shumer's histrionics. (Five minute rule)
C-Span ran the ongoing hearings, or at least excerpts, at the end of the normal business of the House, which began anywhere from 6PM to 10PM and ran during the night. The scheduling made it virtually impossible to view or record the Waco hearings. Even an 8 hour tape might not get the whole thing).
Americans, not wanting to deal with the carnage, nor the inevitable feeling (and knowledge) that their government agencies had done something terribly wrong, simply ignored it and let it go away, the political equivalent of a three year-old holding their hands over their ears and going "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA".
The inescapable remains, that these types of incidents have been going on for some time, many appear to have been intentionally quashed in the media, and they will not only continue as long as there are more terrorists out there, but that the American people (and other nationalities who ignore the threat) will be happy to be ignorant of the danger.
Official investigations will continue to play the incidents down, whether legitimately to not interfere with ongoing investigations, or, more likely, to not disturb the general 'feelgood' that gets politicians elected.
I guess I'd rather be a safe 'crackpot conspiracy theorist' than dead.
UPDATED "Cliff Notes" summary...
First, the MSM is still following the AP and Official Story as well as keeping the lid on things for the most part - Several local media outlets in both CO and OK are not buying the official line and have done their own in-depth reporting. Channel 9 and Channel 4 in particular are doing a better job than ANY of the other channels/papers. The local station in CO Springs - KKTV Ch. 11 deserves a plug here too.
Agencies investigating are reported as: Homeland Security, Joint Terrorism Task Force, FBI, Norman and OU PD, ATFE (BATF). FBI has officially taken the lead in this investigation although they are not releasing details at this time.
1.) Someone set off a bomb sometime between 7:20 and 8pm outside the OU/Kansas State game on Oct. 1, 2005. There are discrepancies on the exact time and we are working on getting a definitive time right now. The blast itself according to those at the game reportedly shook the walls of the stadium itself and the noise was heard over the crowd and gameplay. There are reports that the explosion could be heard for a fair distance from the location itself.
FReeper PhiKapMom overheard witnesses telling police that they saw "two Middle Eastern" men running from the scene. The witnesses were an Iranian (Persian) girl, and her boyfriend who is a member of the same Frat as PhiKapMom's son. PhiKapMom also states that the male witness' face was still red from the heat of the blast...
2.) One person reportedly killed. He has tenatively* been identified as 21-year-old Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs, a mechanical engineering student at OU. He was a member of the Triangle Fraternity. He graduated from Wasson High School. He was a National Merit Scholar although he lost that scholarship (Ch. 4 OKC)
Although his father and the MSM media (AP) and one local channel (ch.5) adamantly maintain he was not associated with muslims, and was not one himself he was living with a Pakistani roommate who is(more on him later...). Boren (OU Pres.), FBI and others are trying to play this off as an "isolated incident" and a suicide by a "mentally unstable" young man. Connecting the dots in this story does NOT lead to that conclusion.
It is reported that Mr. Hinrichs had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the stadium (containing approx. 84000 people) with a backpack through at least 2 gates before running away when asked to allow a search of his bag. (confirmed by several different media outlets). He then went and sat at a bench by the bus loading area.
Some reports state he was taking stuff out of his backpack and trying to put it on his person or fiddling with it somehow and it went off. Seeing as there was a large amount of explosives found in his apartment (see below) it might be assumed that this was an "accident" of some sort and he probably didn't mean to be killed... Report from KKTV Ch. 11 in Colorado Springs reporting on 10/06/05 that the bomb that went off was a "remote-controlled" device.
(* After reports of his identity and comments from his family were obtained by various media outlets in CO and OK they are now saying that there must be DNA testing and it could take a while.)
3.) Five others reported injured and then the 5 injured "disappeared" from the reporting with articles only mentioning that one was killed. (5 "accomplices" have re-surfaced in reporting on 10/05 out of Oklahoma - reporter says may have been involved with the bombing or taking stuff out of suspected "suicide's" apartment.)
4.) Police responding with bomb squad found and detonated a second package containing what is now said to have contained materials or "parts" of a bomb. This was originally reported as a second device by authorities. Reports state this package was found in the lower-level of the nearby parking garage. This claim was later refuted by Boren (OU Pres.), it is now re-surfacing with a twist...
Authorities on the scene cordoned off the area around the park bench where the explosion occurred and PADLOCKED the gates of the Stadium and did not let people leave until the end of the game. At that time they let everyone out of gates away from the crime scene.
5.) FBI cleared out apartment building on 10/02 and such and hauled away explosives deemed very volatile and exploded them on the local PDs test range before notifying others. People report hearing that explosion some 4-5 miles from the range. Also found in the apartment was Islamic papers and such (THIS REPORT OF PAPERS IS "RUMORED" at this time). FBI also confiscated items out of Hindrich's car.
The FBI also took the bench in question which was replaced on Sunday (I think) - I do know it was replaced very quickly after authorities took down the tape and such.
6.) The device used and presumably stuff detonated the next day were TATP - "mother of satan" is the name the Islamic Jihadists call it. Very volatile substance. Again KKTV Ch. 11 is now reporting that this was a remote control device located on Hindrichs back.
7.) Roommate of Joel Hinrichs is named Fazal M. Cheema and is reportedly MIA at this time. There were reports he was brought back in for questioning and then released back to his apartment but this has been reported as not accurate. Ch. 5 is reporting he has "relocated" somewhere in Norman. Reports state that an airline ticket belonging to this person for a date in the future was for a trip to Algeria (Confirmed reported on KKTV11 out of CO Springs 10/06 & local OK stations).
8.) There are reports of Joel being seen at a local mosque on numerous occassions (Ch.9 or 4 reported this - can't remember which off-hand - doing this summary from memory). (THERE ARE CONFLICTING REPORTS COMING OUT ABOUT THIS "ASSERTION"). It is known that his roommate visited the mosque.
9.) Hinrichs attempted to buy Ammonium Nitrate several days before the blast at the local feed store (Ellison's). The owner of the feed store states that Joel came in asking to purchase a large amount. When asked why he needed it the owner of the feed store said he mumbled an answer. The owner reports that Hindrichs was dressed in a green vest with many pockets (photographer's type).
Norman PD verified today (10/06) that an undercover police officer was in the store at the time and got a license plate number. The Norman PD officer called in the tag numbers and Joel came back "clean" on paper. Norman PD held a press conference today (10/06) which I haven't had a chance to review yet.
10.) Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist" reported in an interview today on the (10/06) that she called the Attorney General requesting a copy of the search warrant used by the FBI. The AG stated that the file was sealed. When she asked him why - if this was a lone suicide - the file was sealed she said he became uncomfortable. She further pressed and he was forced to admit that there was still an ongoing investigation. The AG refused to speculate on whether the file would ever be opened or when.
Suffice to say that most of us who have been following this story agree that it stinks to high heaven as far as the "official line" goes.
This is especially true considering the history of Norman, OK, OKC, OU, and the presence of Hamas and Al Qaeda groups which are known to law enforcement. (Massoui(SP?), Atta, Nick Berg, et al...)
Early reports that couldn't be necessarily relied upon (verboten site to FR & WND using their info) are now being confirmed and reported in bits and pieces by local media in CO & OK as well.
Probably the most remarkable thing about all of this is the lack of coverge in the MSM nationwide. Fox originally broke the story and then pulled it. A google search of news showed only 300 or so articles the other day vs. over 6,000 for Bali and over 1600 for the NY boating accident which took place on the 2nd.
To get caught up on Eyewitness reports you may wish to scan through for posts from PhiKapMom on this thread (and others) - she was there and has a lot of relevant information. Rte66 has done some excellent background searching. Cindy has been posting updating links listings and, a few days ago backhoe put up a thread with a compilation of links as well.
Many other Freepers have contributed parts as always - TEAMWORK is key!!! Thanks to all who have been pinging me and freepmailing me and others with info!
For new articles and such the keyword: NORMANBOMBING is being used to tie all threads together.
I will keep editing and adding to this summary and posting on this thread probably once a day. There is more I could add tonight but I'm falling asleep! LOL
Again thanks for everyone's assistance in gathering information on this event!
LibertyRocks
Roomie may have been the control. When he saw that the operation was not going down the way it was planned, he may have panicked and remote detonated the dead guy, then disappeared.
It is unlikely that the dead guy might have been a dupe, even though the materials in the apt could have been seeded by the roomie or others after the kid left with the backpack, but then the kid would not have fled a search had that been the case unless he thought he was at least hauling some sort of contraband.
I've got an updated (3:00am 10/07) summary posted at link #4536 on this thread.
No it isn't, really. Women almost always shoot themselves in the CHEST, if they use a gun at all. Poison, overdose, self-exsanguination, all rate higher on that hit parade. Something about a good looking corpse.
Guys are the ones who put a bullet in the brain pan.
I'm not saying she didn't do it, just that it is unusual.
Especially when the "crackpot conspiracy theory" is the truth.
From the site that shall remain nameless:
Norman's role in domestic terrorism goes further back than the OKC bombing in '95. It all starts in '91, right after the Gulf War, when thousands of Iraqi Republican Guards who stood down were given asylum by the US and resettled in and around OKC because Saddam would kill them if they stayed in Iraq. Regrettably, the resettled RG were nothing more than a trojan horse, enemy agents transplanted into our heartland and still working for Saddam.
The Gulf War never ended. We signed a cease-fire and kept our end of the bargain, but Saddam continued hostilities throughout the 90's in the only way he could -- through terrorism. And he linked with Al Qaeda to do it. So what happened since '91? Ramzi Yousef and WTC '93... OKC '95... TWA 800... embassies in Africa... U.S.S. Cole... and finally 9/11, executed in a manner remarkably similar to Yousef's Project Bojinka. We sat and waited for the UN to do its inspections while Saddam continued fighting, along with AQ. And Klintoon fiddled through it all, while the sheeple failed to connect the dots right in front of their faces.
When GW started the Iraq War in 2003, he was simply resuming hostilities on our side and doing what Klintoon should have done but avoided like the plague. It needs to be finished, no matter what it takes, no matter how long.
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