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Coast to Coast AM: Supermarket "loyalty" cards and how they track you, RFIDs
Coast to Coast AM ^ | 10/1/05 | me

Posted on 10/01/2005 9:58:55 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Katherine Albrecht, founder of CASPIAN, a consumer group fighting against supermarket 'loyalty' cards, will join Liz McIntyre to share an update on Radio Frequency Identification products (RFID). Related site:


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; nocard; privacy; rfid
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To: Jeff Gordon

I don't think the purpose of the cards is capitalism. We're still going to buy the groceries and I still fall for advertising. This is about privacy.


81 posted on 10/02/2005 6:33:55 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Name: George W Bush Address: 1600 Penn. Ave, Wash., DC.


82 posted on 10/02/2005 6:45:58 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: pageonetoo

They can try to push to me all they want. I use my two cards (one for albertson's and one for a Kroger's company called Smith's) gleefully, and throw all literature mailed to me away...

The religious groups I donate to (mostly CRS) don't seem to shop their lists around.

Although one of the clothes stores I mailorder from must trade lists...all of a sudden, I'm getting Victoria's Secrets catalogs.

I find paper spam less troubling and easier to deal with than electronic, though. The Circular File (a/k/a file 13, or even the trash can) is a wonderful tool...

If anyone is interested in the fact that I buy lots of Genisoy Soy Chips, well, more power to them.


83 posted on 10/02/2005 7:01:44 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ovrtaxt; Travis McGee
Man, I keep procrastinating about buying your book.

Me too.

I'll buy a copy today if you will!!

84 posted on 10/02/2005 8:34:09 AM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix off of my ping list as I have been asked to do.)
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To: BurbankKarl

I met a top private investigator a few years ago who specializes in chasing down embezzlers who move to Brazil, get plastic surgery and new i.d., etc. He told me that using the info from "Little Brother" he can usually locate his perp in about 15 minutes! If you are worried about privacy, just give them false info. I laugh my head off when I get mail addressed to Sir Archibald Shagnaster Pendington XXIII, CEO of BioBull.


85 posted on 10/02/2005 8:47:22 AM PDT by darth
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To: Travis McGee
..."dangerous gun nuts and Constitution fanatics" (or any other brand of "domestic enemies")..."

Wasn't it that FBI office in Arizona that was making similar references to our loyal citizens? Whatever became of the supposed investigation into why that office seemed so confused as to who the real enemies are?

86 posted on 10/02/2005 8:50:11 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: BunnySlippers
I don't think the purpose of the cards is capitalism. .... This is about privacy.

Those companies put time, effort and money into loyalty cards just to invade your privacy? I don't think so.

I do not think that their shareholders are going to be impressed by an annual report that says, "we spent 10 million dollars to invade the privacy of 100 million customers but we did not make any extra money."

What the investors would be impressed by is when they say, "we spent 10 million dollars on our loyalty card program and earned an extra 100 million dollars in revenue."

87 posted on 10/02/2005 9:18:59 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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To: durasell
What if Big Brother is your insurance company who decides to raise your premiums based on eating habits?

Insurance companies are in business to make money. If your eating, smoking habits or exercise habits are going to cost them money, they want to know it so they can charge you the appropriate risk premium. On the other hand, if you lead a healthy life they want to be able to attract your business by offering you higher coverage for lower premiums.

It is nothing personal, it is just good business.

88 posted on 10/02/2005 9:35:24 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I've used Bro. Ken Banks.

Didn't matter that I didn't look like a monk. The teenybopper meathead still took the application.

89 posted on 10/02/2005 9:39:51 AM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: BurbankKarl; All
It's just too early for this today, Daddy.

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90 posted on 10/02/2005 9:48:29 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Beckwith
It's called behavior modeling and it's based on demographics and psychographics.

I remember a test known as Stanine or Sta-9 which was given to prospective airline pilots and probably other types of job applicants. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, was that there were a bunch of apparently random questions, which in themselves were meaningless, but profiles had been developed by psychologists based on the overall pattern of answers given by previous test-takers who had turned out to be successful at whatever job they were hired for. This was actually about 30 or more years ago as I recall, long before number-crunching computers were common. But pilots I knew really sweated the thing, looked for crib sheets and so on.

91 posted on 10/02/2005 9:52:43 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
7.62x39... works in SKS rifles...

and a Ruger mini-30.

92 posted on 10/02/2005 9:57:01 AM PDT by SwankyC (1st Bn 11th Marines Semper Fi)
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To: King Prout
My wife and I have a source for purchasing gift cards for gasoline through her former employer. She still works there part time, so she can buy say $300 worth of gas gift cards for $200. So, if gas is $3.00 a gallon, we are then only paying $2.00 a gallon for it.

The other day, I went to fill up, and the clerk wanted me to write my phone number down on the card (there was a place on it, which I had previously ignored). I immediately made a number up in my head, and wrote it down. They have no reason to have my phone number.

93 posted on 10/02/2005 10:11:19 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Although one of the clothes stores I mailorder from must trade lists...all of a sudden, I'm getting Victoria's Secrets catalogs.

I find paper spam less troubling and easier to deal with than electronic, though. The Circular File (a/k/a file 13, or even the trash can) is a wonderful tool...

Yeah, but I'd bet some things don't go into that file too quickly... if there's a mister around...;>)


94 posted on 10/02/2005 10:29:10 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: BunnySlippers


You're right --- without the cards, the prices are much higher.


95 posted on 10/02/2005 10:31:25 AM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: pageonetoo

This is why mama gets the mail. I used to have to hide my fashion mags from the teenager sometimes....


96 posted on 10/02/2005 12:32:49 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: King Prout
When they ask for phone numbers I always make one up on the spot.

My little way of throwing a spanner into their works.

97 posted on 10/02/2005 12:37:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I prefer to snarl (politely) than even pretend to be a sheep. I've caused many clerks to pause and consider the WHY behind their companies' requesting the locator info of customers.


98 posted on 10/02/2005 12:54:15 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: Travis McGee

I should probably get a new card (mine's showing some wear) and exchange ASAP with another Food Lion customer.


99 posted on 10/02/2005 12:57:29 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Very interesting you should say that about insurance, because it represents a dramatic paradigm shift from the way insurance has been done for more than 200 years.

Insurance has always been about spreading the risk as thin as possible. In any population there's going to be a certain number of people who have their hearts blow out at fifty and another number who live until 90. The ones who live until 90 pay the premiums that pay off for the guy who drops dead at 50. Insurance companies figured out roughly how many of each group existed and set their policies accordingly.

Now, through technology, they are able to say to the guy with the bad ticker, "Hey sorry pal, you're a bad risk. We'll pass on your business."

But what if they crunch the data even more? Some poor slob is sitting at home eating healthy, not smoking, and going to the gym three days a week. But his father, two uncles and a brother all dropped dead at fifty from bad tickers. Genetic predispostion. "Sorry pal, the males in your family drop like flies."

Basically what this is leading up to is a health rating, much like a credit rating and it will effect if people are hired for jobs, get loans, even who they marry, once people start believing in them.


100 posted on 10/02/2005 2:08:51 PM PDT by durasell
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