Posted on 10/04/2005 8:53:21 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
Sources Identify TATP As Component Of Bomb TATP Same Component Used By Infamous Shoe Bomber
POSTED: 9:56 pm CDT October 4, 2005 UPDATED: 10:11 pm CDT October 4, 2005
NORMAN, Okla. -- Sources confirmed Tuesday night that at least one of the components in the bomb used by Joel Henry Hinrichs III Saturday night was a product called TATP.
Technically, TATP is triacetone triperoxide. However, it's called the 'Mother of Satan' by Islamist extremists. Experts say it is made by mixing common household items such as drain cleaner and bleach to create a white powder with a strong smell.
It's so volatile that it can explode even if it's merely dropped. It can even explode spontaneously, experts say.
There have been very few reports of TATP being used in the United States; however, there have been more documented cases overseas -- including Richard Reid, who was arrested after he used TATP in his shoe and tried to light it on a flight.
The FBI is testing materials from the OU student's backpack, and from Hinrichs' apartment. Sources said a chemist from FBI headquarters was flown to Oklahoma to help with the gathering of evidence to be used for testing.
However, FBI officials will not comment on any aspect of the investigation, including what sources have told Eyewitness News 5.
If it is already in the Anarchist's Cookbook, as indicated by poster of #11, isn't that already common knowledge? (I really don't know.)
TATP is in the Anarchist Cookbook (IIRC) among many other places. HMTD is more of an aficionados tool loosely related to RDX and HMX, and hardly an arcane secret -- certainly not less known than TATP, though perhaps less written about. If the terrorists are incapable of doing research with Google, then I strongly doubt they are doing the same research on FreeRepublic.
can I get on the ping list for this story please?....thanx
You making posts on chemistry is rich in its own right. First, acetone isn't a powder except under cryogenic conditions. Even if it were, TATP isn't acetone, it's a compound made from acetone and other ingredients. Since it isn't acetone, it doesn't smell like acetone, even to dogs. Acetone has about as much relationship to TATP as glycerin has to fat. One mixes with water, one doesn't - they're completely different, and that includes the smell.
Intentional misinformation aimed at killing people foolish enough to rely on the media for accurate technical information. (In my opinion.)
Heh, yeah. You cannot do much with either drain cleaner OR bleach. Except make vast quantities of toxic gas. A lot of classic resources for DIY explosives have egregious unnecessarily dangerous instructions such that I often wondered if it wasn't intentional. If you compared and contrasted with the industrial synthesis process that a real chemist or chemical engineer would use, it suddenly became apparent that some rather important and subtle details had been left out to the detriment of whoever tried it.
Yep, but that eliminates a lot of wannabes from the gene pool.
That's what I'm telling you. Are you unclear on my post or are you, like others, still abused by the notion that we can win this so-called war without mass extermination?
I like your logic, sounds right to me.
see post #53 to disabuse yourself of your flawed notion that TATP has no smell...
It's a matter of leverage. If several bombers get into a packed stadium, and visibly self-detonate minutes apart, they will trigger a panic stampede. The upper decks will turn into human avalanches going over the railings, as tens of thousands bold downward for the exit tunnels. The exit tunnels themselves will pile up with bodies as the faster go over the slower. It will be ugly.
Leverage. 20 times more will die in the panic stampede than from direct bomb effects.
If glorious martyrdom is your goal, the safety of the explosive is not a consideration.
If better explosives are not available, a suicide bomber can always cook up TATP. He's planning to die anyway, so who cares what he uses?
I suggested to someone last night that the hydrogen peroxide recipe was possible......:o)
That stuff is sooooooo sensitive. Seen the guys picture ?
Not having read this thread or others yet....(was getting Eaker out of the impound lot) was "frag" added to this guys IED ? Just uxo suggests suicide...add frag and he was on a mission and met with premature fubar via EMR on his EED's IMHO......:o)
I'm in agreement. It's well past time for Operation Righteous Zot for the moo slime crowd.
My pure conjecture on my part is that his target was the inside of the packed stadium, and he balked or got cold feet.
At that point, sitting on a bench, head down etc, his watchers remote detonated him before he might have left his bag and walked away.
Pure conjecture.
Yep yep....understand.....
Construction project: Atomic Bomb
The following paper is taken from The journal of Irreproducible Results, Volume 25/Number 4/1979. P.O. Box 234 Chicago Heights, Illinois 60411 Subscription's 1 year for $3.70
1. Introduction
Worldwide controversy has been generated recently from several court decisions in the United States which have restricted popular magazines from printing articles which describe how to make an atomic bomb. The reason usually given by the courts is that national security would be compromised if such information were generally available. But, since it is commonly known that all of the information is publicly available in most major metropolitan libraries, obviously the court's officially stated position is covering up a more important factor; namely, that such atomic devices would prove too difficult for the average citizen to construct. The United States courts cannot afford to insult the vast majorities by insinuating that they do not have the intelligence of a cabbage, and thus the "official" press releases claim national security as a blanket restriction.
The rumors that have unfortunately occurred as a result of widespread misinformation can (and must) be cleared up now, for the construction project this month is the construction of a thermonuclear device, which will hopefully clear up any misconceptions you might have about such a project. We will see how easy it is to make a device of your very own in ten easy steps, to have and hold as you see fit, without annoying interference from the government or the courts.
The project will cost between $5,000 and $30,000 dollars, depending on how fancy you want the final product to be. Since last week's column, "Let's Make a Time Machine", was received so well in the new step-by-step format, this month's column will follow the same format.
2. Construction Method
1. First, obtain about 50 pounds (110 kg) of weapons grade Plutonium at your local supplier (see Note 1). A nuclear power plant is not recommended, as large quantities of missing Plutonium tends to make plant engineers unhappy. We suggest that you contact your local terrorist organization, or perhaps the Junior Achievement in your neighborhood.
2. Please remember that Plutonium, especially pure, refined Plutonium, is somewhat dangerous. Wash your hands with soap and warm water after handling the material, and don't allow your children or pets to play in it or eat it. Any left over Plutonium dust is excellent as an insect repellent. You may wish to keep the substance in a lead box if you can find one in your local junk yard, but an old coffee can will do nicely.
3. Fashion together a metal enclosure to house the device. Most common varieties of sheet metal can be bent to disguise this enclosure as, for example, a briefcase, a lunch pail, or a Buick. Do not use tinfoil.
4. Arrange the Plutonium into two hemispherical shapes, separated by about 4 cm. Use rubber cement to hold the Plutonium dust together.
5. Now get about 100 pounds (220 kg) of trinitrotoluene (TNT). Gelignite is much better, but messier to work with. Your helpful hardware man will be happy to provide you with this item.
6. Pack the TNT around the hemisphere arrangement constructed in step 4. If you cannot find Gelignite, feel free to use TNT packed in with Play-do or any modeling clay. Colored clay is acceptable, but there is no need to get fancy at this point.
7. Enclose the structure from step 6 into the enclosure made in step 3. Use a strong glue such as "Crazy Glue" to bind the hemisphere arrangement against the enclosure to prevent accidental detonation which might result from vibration or mishandling.
8. To detonate the device, obtain a radio controlled (RC) servo mechanism, as found in RC model airplanes and cars. With a modicum of effort, a remote plunger can be made that will strike a detonator cap to effect a small explosion. These detonator caps can be found in the electrical supply section of your local supermarket. We recommend the "Blast-O-Mactic" brand because they are no deposit-no return.
9. Now hide the completed device from the neighbors and children. The garage is not recommended because of high humidity and the extreme range of temperatures experienced there. Nuclear devices have been known to spontaneously detonate in these unstable conditions. The hall closet or under the kitchen sink will be perfectly suitable.
10. Now you are the proud owner of a working thermonuclear device! It is a great icebreaker at parties, and in a pinch, can be used for national defense.
3. Theory Of Operation
The device basically works when the detonated TNT compresses the Plutonium into a critical mass. The critical mass then produces a nuclear chain reaction similar to the domino chain reaction (discussed in this column, "Dominoes on the March", March, 1968). The chain reaction then promptly produces a big thermonuclear reaction. And there you have it, a 10 megaton explosion!
4. Next Month's Column
In next month's column, we will learn how to clone your neighbor's wife in six easy steps. This project promises to be an exciting weekend full of fun and profit. Common kitchen utensils will be all you need. See you next month!
5. Notes
1. Plutonium (Pu), atomic number 94, is a radioactive metallic element formed by the decay of Neptunium and is similar in chemical structure to Uranium, Saturnium, Jupiternium, and Marsipan.
6. Previous Month's Columns
1. Let's Make Test Tube Babies! May, 1979
2. Let's Make a Solar System! June, 1979
3. Let's Make a Economic Recession! July, 1979
4. Let's Make an Anti-Gravity Machine! August, 1979
5. Let's Make Contact with an Alien Race! September, 1979
Hmm...I guess this explains the "Mother Sheehan" nomer and where it came from.
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