What hath Gorgeous Gorge wrought?
Posted on 10/07/2005 3:15:11 PM PDT by echoBoomer
Four years after President Bush launched a war to oust Osama bin Laden from his hideout in Afghanistan, many are mystified how a polite son of a millionaire construction magnate in Saudi Arabia could turn into the world’s most wanted terrorist.
According to many experts, a clue may lie in the life and works of Sayyid Qutb, an Islamic ideologue who was radicalized after an overwhelmingly negative experience in the United States and later imprisoned and executed by Gamal Abdel Nasser’s regime in Egypt in 1966...Qutb’s journey to radicalism started in 1948 when the Egyptian government sent the young school inspector to study in the United States.
The time proved to be formative for Qutb, who had closely followed American popular culture and at the time viewed the United States as a somewhat positive influence, especially when contrasted with the European colonialism he had witnessed growing up in the Middle East.
But things started to sour even before he reached U.S. shores — Qutb was repulsed by an American woman’s drunken attempts to seduce him during his sea voyage and, once on U.S. soil, he was shocked at the racism he encountered in the still-segregated country.
Qutb found himself more and more outraged by what he saw as American greed
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Not really.
It's more a historical analysis of why some people have turned their faith into hate and used it as an excuse to kill for little or no reason.
"The writings of Qutb do not legitimize the killing of innocent people as has occurred in the past few years..."
Now this is interesting: http://www.islamfortoday.com/iran.htm
Iran as home to a "full-fledged reformation" of Islam, comparable to that of Martin Luther!
I have to believe that many Muslims must see Qutb, Wahabbi, and such as akin to Hitler, attracting zealots like an addiction.
If he is another madman, and who can doubt that he is, and he has devotees, supporters, and detractors, and perhaps enemies among his people, (Who are about as monolithic as 1930 europeans),then how could anyone say "stop the war", "let Hitler/Osama go", "we can live with him".
Now who is Quisling today? And Lindbergh? And Chamberlain?
And who is Churchill? And Bull Halsey? And George Patton?
What hath Gorgeous Gorge wrought?
"Four years after President Bush launched a war to oust Osama bin Laden from his hideout in Afghanistan, many are mystified how a polite son of a millionaire construction magnate in Saudi Arabia could turn into the world’s most wanted terrorist."
Who's mystified? OBL is simply following the basic tenets of Islam which have been repackaged with an updated battle cry by Qutb. Islam by definition has never been able to abide any non-Islamic culture nor have competing sects within Islam ever been able to coexist for extended periods. Islam always eventually returns to its jihadist roots and always identifies a new enemy whether it be within or without Islam.
Had he gone to Europe, the drunken women would have still tried to pick him up. In France at that time, he'd have been beaten in alleys.
I spent about five years working in that part of the world and listened to all these Muslims complain about western decadence. Then every August I couldn't get a flight out because all the Muslims were going on vacation in Europe, the US and Bankok. Guess they needed a little R&R from all that Jihad shit.
Yes, but were they rushed out of the country after dark on 9/11 on Air Force One?
I agree. Ask the Shiites who will still tell stories of the Ikhwan invading (from present day Saudi), smashing the tombs of their saints and massacring them because they were deemed "mushrikoun" in the eyes of the Salafis and Wahhabis. There's a great many tensions and fault lines with the ummah that can be exploited and used to divide and conquer the enemy, but unfortunately, we're often simply left the choice of siding with the lesser of two evils.
If he is another madman, and who can doubt that he is, and he has devotees, supporters, and detractors, and perhaps enemies among his people
IMHO, Qutb and his kind seem very focused, and rationalize their thoughts by interpreting everything thru the quran and traditions and "fiqh" as opposed to "bidah." On the other hand, MohamMAD, the guy who made all this stuff up, and changing it as he pleased (oh, it was the "voices" in his head!), is another story...
As for enemies of the salafis and wahhabis... google "the prophecy of the 72 sects" and try listening to a sermon or two (you'll find some are conducted in English). Muslims (the slaves of islam) need to wake up and understand that Islam will bring them nothing but eternal bloodshed, oppression, and death. Nobody kills Muslims better than their own "true believers" and their names have already been posted on the list.
I stopped reading when it said he was offended by lush lawns. These people are truly crazy.
Be consistent. You don't believe in freedom to worship.
Your opinion is hardly a radical one on these threads, so you don't need to temper your call to eradicate Islam from America by approvingly referncing the First Amendment.
But they ar notorious for their involvement in crystal meth rings.
Ha
"ended up picking a fight with the U.S. "red-state" people"
Very funny---don't leave out the cast of the musical "Q Street".
#26-----brilliant.
You nailed it. As a previous poster stated upthread, isn't it ironic that it is the blue-staters they are at war against and yet the red-staters are the ones fighting the war.
This also helps to explain why they hate Christians and Jews so much as well. God gave us free will to either refrain from temptation or not, and most choose not to engage out of their love for God and his sacrifice to us. They (terrorists) choose not to believe in God's free will and instead when they succumb to temptation its' the victim who loses their head. Christians and Jews are a constant reminder to them that they cannot handle their lives on their own.
Waah, waah, waah. It's all the Americans' fault for being racists (because of course there's _no_ racism among Arabs, nope, not a smidgeon), and for supporting Israel, and for not acting the way the Wahabbis want us to act.
It's always our fault.
Personally, I think that's a psychological crutch. If this is our fault then we're in control. We're not being randomly attacked by irrationally hostile people who hate us for irrational reasons. If we're guilty we can atone and maybe fix the problem.
Of course, a comforting delusion like that is still a delusion.
Bunch of freakin' hyprocrites!
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