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Can an Electron be in Two Places at the Same Time?
Max Planck Society ^ | 11 October 2005 | Staff

Posted on 10/12/2005 3:10:28 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

A hundred years ago, we took the first steps in recognising, at the level of elementary physical events, the dual character of nature that had been postulated in natural philosophy. Albert Einstein was the first who saw Max Planck’s quantum hypothesis leading to this dual character. Einstein suggested the photon have an electromagnetic wave character, although photons had previously been considered as particles. That was the quintessence of his work on the photoelectric effect. Later in 1926, it was deBroglie that recognised that all the building blocks of nature known to us as particles - electrons, protons, etc. - behave like waves under certain conditions.

In its totality, therefore, nature is dual. None of its components can only be considered as a particle or as a wave. To understand this fact, Niels Bohr introduced in 1923 the Complementarity Principle: simply put, every component in nature has a particle, as well as a wavelike character, and it depends only on the observer which character he sees at any given time. In other words, the experiment determines which characteristic one is measuring - particle or wave.

His whole life long, Einstein suspected [PH: shouldn't that be "doubted"?] that natural characteristics actually depend on the observer. He believed that there must be a reality independent of the observer. Indeed, quantum physics has simply come to accept as a given over the years that there does not seem to be an independent reality. Physics has ceased questioning this, because experiments have confirmed it repeatedly and with a growing accuracy.

The best example is Young’s double-slit experiment. Coherent light is passed through a barrier with two slits. On an observation screen behind it, there is a pattern made of light and dark stripes. The experiment can be carried out not only with light, but also particles - for example, electrons. If single electrons are sent, one after the other, through the open Young double slit, then a stripe-shaped interference pattern appears on the photo plate behind it. The pattern contains no information about the route that the electron took. But if one of the two slits is closed, an image appears of the other open slit from which one can directly read the path of the electron. What this experiment does not produce, however, is a stripe pattern and situation report. For that, a molecular double slit experiment is required that is based not upon position-momentum uncertainty, but on reflective symmetry.

The double-slit was voted the most beautiful experiment of all time in a 2002 poll by Physics World, published by England’s Institute of Physics. Although each electron seems to go alone through one of the two slits, at the end a wavelike interference pattern is created, as if the electron split while it went through the slit, but then was subsequently re-unified. But if one of the slits is closed, or an observer sees which slit the electron went through, then it behaves like a perfectly normal particle. That particle is only at one position at one time, but not at the same time. So, depending on how the experiment is carried out, the electron is either at position A, position B, or at both at the same time.

But Bohr’s Complementarity Principle, which explains this ambiguity, requires that one can only observe one of the two electron manifestations at any given time - either as a wave or a particle, but not both simultaneously. This remains a certainty in every experiment, despite all the ambiguity in quantum physics. Either a system is in a state of "both/and" like a wave, or "either/or" like a particle, relating to its localisation. This is, in principle, a consequence of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, which says that given a complementary pair of measurements - for example, position and momentum - only one can be determined exactly at the same time. Information about the other measurement is lost, proportionally.

Recently there has been a set of experiments suggesting that these various manifestations of material can be "carried over into" each other - in other words, they can switch from one form to the other and, under certain conditions, back again. This set of experiments is called quantum markers and quantum erasers. Researchers have shown in the last few years that for atoms and photons - and now, electrons - "both/and" and "either/or" exist side-by-side. In other words, there is a grey zone of complementarity. There are therefore experimentally demonstrable conditions in which the material appears to be both a wave and a particle.

These situations can be described with a duality relation. It can be seen as an extended Complementarity Principle for quantum physics; it can also be labelled a co-existence principle. It says that manifestations of material which would normally be mutually exclusive - e.g., local and not local, coherent and not coherent - are indeed measurable and make themselves evident, in a particular "transition area". One can speak of partial localisation and partial coherence, or partial visibility and partial differentiability. These are measurements that are connected to each other via the duality relation.

In this transition area the Complementarity Principle, and the complementary dualism of nature, can be extended to be a co-existence principle, a parallel dualism. Nature has thus an ambivalent character previously unassumed. Atomic interferometry provides us with examples of this ambivalence. It was first found in 1997 in atoms, which are made from an assembly of particles.

In a recent issue of Nature Max Planck researchers in Berlin, together with researchers from the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California, report about a molecular double-slit experiment with electrons - not assemblies of particles, like atoms. Molecules with identical, and thus reflectively symmetrical, atoms, behave like a microscopically small double-slit built by nature. Nitrogen is one such molecule. In it, each electron - also the highly localised inner electrons - stays simultaneously in both atoms. If we ionise such a molecule with a weak x-ray, we end up with a coherent - that is, wavelike - strongly coupled electron emission from both atomic sides. This is just like a double slit experiment with single electrons.

For the first time, the researchers were able to show the coherent character of electron emissions from such a molecule, in this analogue to the double slit experiment. They used a weak x-ray to destabilise the innermost, and thus most strongly localised, electrons of nitrogen from the molecule, and then followed their movement in the molecular frame of reference using ion coincidence measurements. In addition, the researchers succeeded in proving something long doubted: that a disruption of the reflective symmetry of this molecule leads to a partial loss of coherence through the introduction of two different heavy isotopes, in this case N14 and N15. The electrons begin to localise partially on one of the two, now distinguishable, atoms. This is equivalent to partially marking one of the two slits in Young’s double slit experiment. This is partial "which way" information, because the marking gives information about which path the electron took.

The experiments were carried out by members of the working group "atomic physics" of the FHI at the synchrotron radiation laboratories BESSY in Berlin and HASYLAB at DESY in Hamburg. The measurements took place using a multi-detector array for combined electron and ion proof behind what are called undulator beam pipes, which deliver weak x-rays with a high intensity and spectral resolution.


[Lead paragraph, which seems like an abstract, so to make the article read smoother, I moved it to the end.]
In something akin to a double-slit experiment, scientists at the Fritz Haber Institute of the Max Planck Society, in co-operation with researchers from the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California, have shown for the first time that electrons have characteristics of both waves and particles at the same time and in virtually the push of a button can be switched back and forth between these states. The researchers provided evidence that disrupting the reflective symmetry of these molecules by introducing two different heavy isotopes, in this case N14 and N15, leads to a partial loss of coherence. The electrons partially begin to localise on one of the two, now distinguishable, atoms. The results could have implications for the building and control of "artificial molecules", which are made of semiconductor quantum dots, and are a possible component of quantum computers. (Nature/i>, September 29, 2005).


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To: PatrickHenry
". In addition, the researchers succeeded in proving something long doubted: that a disruption of the reflective symmetry of this molecule leads to a partial loss of coherence through the introduction of two different heavy isotopes, in this case N14 and N15" I've been saying that since my 12th birthday...but did anyone listen? Noooooooo...
21 posted on 10/12/2005 4:29:07 AM PDT by Capitalism2003
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22 posted on 10/12/2005 4:29:40 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Certified pedantic coxcomb)
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To: gridlock
Spelling correction: Heisenberg = Heisenberg.

Isn't that more of a spelling tautology?

23 posted on 10/12/2005 4:31:33 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Certified pedantic coxcomb)
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The researchers provided evidence that disrupting the reflective symmetry of these molecules by introducing two different heavy isotopes, in this case N14 and N15, leads to a partial loss of coherence.

Tequilla in copious amounts can also account for this.

24 posted on 10/12/2005 4:47:30 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: Vaquero

When Doc Brown invented the flux capacitor, even time travel was within our grasp.


25 posted on 10/12/2005 4:50:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: gridlock
I am always uncertain whether "e" or the "i" comes first.

If it's pronounced "I" the "e" comes first but if it's pronounced "E" it's the other way around ;-)

26 posted on 10/12/2005 4:54:00 AM PDT by BMCDA (Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must be silent. -- L. Wittgenstein)
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To: PatrickHenry
For an alternative description of the electron (with some experimental evidence) check this out: http://www.blacklightpower.com/
27 posted on 10/12/2005 5:24:35 AM PDT by RazzPutin ("You have told us more than you can possibly know." -- Niels Bohr)
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To: PatrickHenry
It can, according to Heisenberg. But I'm not sure.

And neither was he.

28 posted on 10/12/2005 5:25:13 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Upshot of this is that an electron needs two alibis."

LOL! That is so funny!

This reminds me of that idea that on the other side of the sun there is a twin planet Earth where we all have twins. Plus I've heard the saying that somewhere on Earth we all have a twin. Jerry Seinfeld or someone was talking about the German doppleganger and said he can't believe it is enough of a problem that they actually have a word for it!
29 posted on 10/12/2005 5:34:11 AM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: BMCDA
If it's pronounced "I" the "e" comes first but if it's pronounced "E" it's the other way around ;-)

I dunno. Better we go out and poison some cats in a box, just to make sure...

30 posted on 10/12/2005 5:49:46 AM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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To: BMCDA

"I am always uncertain whether "e" or the "i" comes first.

If it's pronounced "I" the "e" comes first but if it's pronounced "E" it's the other way around ;-)"


I believe that's specifically for words that are of German origin. With "ie" or "ei" combinations, you pronounce the second letter.


31 posted on 10/12/2005 5:52:56 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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32 posted on 10/12/2005 6:00:27 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: PatrickHenry
Indeed, quantum physics has simply come to accept as a given over the years that there does not seem to be an independent reality. Physics has ceased questioning this, because experiments have confirmed it repeatedly and with a growing accuracy.

Codswallop. If an electron is in two places, it doesn't mean that there's no independent reality. It means that the independent reality is that the electron is in both places. "No independent reality" would mean that the electron is over here for me and over there for you, but this doesn't happen, not in quantum theory, and not in experiment.

If there were no such thing as independent reality, there'd be no possibility of a science of physics.

33 posted on 10/12/2005 6:05:01 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: BMCDA
...I am always uncertain whether "e" or the "i" comes first...

"I" before "E" except when it's wrong...(thank you, Dave Barry)

34 posted on 10/12/2005 6:12:01 AM PDT by martin gibson (I know not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death!!!)
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To: PatrickHenry
electrons - "both/and" and "either/or" exist side-by-side.

The Kerry Effect

35 posted on 10/12/2005 6:14:33 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: PatrickHenry

Obviously the Matrix is being unraveled. We have caught our reality between ticks of the master clock, and time, which is supposed to be seen as continuous, is not.

It's like the scene in The Truman Show, where we reach the edge of the world.

;-)


36 posted on 10/12/2005 6:21:40 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: PatrickHenry

If evolution is a random series of events proceeding from the simple to the complex, exactly how do you explain the de-evolution of our species as personified by Matt Lauer and Katie Couric?


37 posted on 10/12/2005 6:22:29 AM PDT by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: PatrickHenry

I am beginning to believe that “wave” and “particle” are artificial constructs we have created as a result of living and observing in the macro world for so long. In “reality” (what ever it may be) everything is composed of wave like particles – or particle like waves. Maybe a new word is needed.


38 posted on 10/12/2005 6:29:09 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Gumlegs

AH! The Good Ole Daze!


39 posted on 10/12/2005 6:32:35 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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