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Bad timing blamed for group's detainment
The Daily Oklahoman ^ | October 12, 2005 | Randy Ellis and Judy Gibbs Robinson

Posted on 10/13/2005 3:41:16 PM PDT by MizSterious

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To: KylaStarr

"Thank you for posting this RegulatorCountry!"

You're welcome.


42 posted on 10/13/2005 7:02:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: not2worry

Probably because Barakat is "clean" (READ NOTHING ON HIM besides in this case) as far as a cursory glance at google...

The case is not closed as far as I know...


43 posted on 10/13/2005 7:06:26 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (OUBombing summary (UPDATED 10/13) @ http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com/)
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To: Battle Axe

"I'm not perfect at reading people, but I felt this guy had been told what to say and what not to say."

A "prepped" spokesperson will have a few "tells" if you're very intuitive, or have training. Body language, if you're there to witness it, is difficult to suppress. Some can hear it, somehow. Odd pitch, or some such. Of course, you'd have to know the normal tone of voice.


44 posted on 10/13/2005 7:06:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: MizSterious

"Whine alert, poor mistreated 'students.'

Not necessarily, as the Norman cops ARE mean.


46 posted on 10/13/2005 7:20:13 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Battle Axe

"He was uncomfortable and looked a little to the side."

Ever wonder, when you were a kid, why your parents asked you to look them in the eye, and say "that?"


47 posted on 10/13/2005 7:20:43 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: indcons

"Yeah, a 37-year old Algerian "student" at that.

Barakat said the FBI agents were polite and professional throughout the investigation, but he also said Norman police were "very aggressive, very mean."

LOL.....we have a bunch of Islamic terrorists/terrorist enablers here and they expect to be treated with kid gloves? Well, the fact that these jihadis haven't been expelled is kid glove treatment enough. Disgusting.....I just hope the truth comes out in this case (fat chance of that happening though)."

OK, look here! I happen to be a 50 year old student. OU graduated an 89 year old student a couple of years ago, too. Not everyone who goes to college is a freaking kid, ok?

As for expected treatment, the Norman PD ARE agressive and mean, at least occaisionally. I have a friend who sped up to avoid getting rear-ended on Sunnylane at 3am one morning, as she was moving into her new apartment in Norman. Cop then pulled her over for speeding, decided to search her car, and charged her with possession of a concealed weapon because there was a letter opener in a box in her back seat. Stuff like that ain't supposed to be happening in America, ok? What is disgusting is having people who should know better applaud police-state tactics. You might want to THINK about what kind of country you want to live in after the War on Terror is finally over.


48 posted on 10/13/2005 7:29:05 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: indcons

Oh, and you missed this part of the story: "A University of Oklahoma instructor from Egypt said he and others of foreign descent were handcuffed at gunpoint and questioned after the OU bomb blast Oct. 1, but added he is not bitter."


49 posted on 10/13/2005 7:34:54 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Old Student

"As for expected treatment, the Norman PD ARE agressive and mean, at least occaisionally."

Are you saying that we should back off, in our attempts to get at the truth about this situation in Norman, OK, because the police may or may not have been mean?

I, frankly, think they dropped the ball, and I'm no fan of police. I've got a libertarian streak a mile wide, and to me, police are a necessary evil, like lawyers. If we were all mature adults, we'd have little need for police or lawyers. But, clearly, we're not all mature adults.


50 posted on 10/13/2005 7:38:42 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Old Student

-???? of Oklahoma instructor from Egypt said he and others of foreign descent were handcuffed at gunpoint and questioned after the OU bomb blast Oct. 1, but added he is not bitter."

A man blows himself up outside a stadium, in a manner that is eerily familiar to anyone who follows the news from the ME, and we are supposed to ignore it, because someone might become bitter?


51 posted on 10/13/2005 7:43:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"Are you saying that we should back off, in our attempts to get at the truth about this situation in Norman, OK, because the police may or may not have been mean?"

No, I'm saying that jumping to conclusions seems to be the major source of exercise for some people. I don't normally disagree with most of the posters here on FR, but I'm getting really tired of people who automatically suspect that someone is a terrorist because they're from the Middle East, especially here in Central Oklahoma, where our last two bombers have been Americans.

In other words, anyone who is here should get the same treatment, under the law. You noted, perhaps, that Cheema took a lie-detector test? I expect if they had anything that they found questionable, he'd not be back in his apartment right now. Law is Law. We need to obey our own laws, or we have no business telling anyone else to obey their own laws.
52 posted on 10/13/2005 8:06:52 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Sacajaweau

We, as the recipients of the news and rumors, were lead to believe that Cheema had a ticket to Algiers.

That wasn't how it was stated, however. It was said that a ticket (which morphed into a "one-way ticket" somewhere along the line) to Algeria (the country) had been found which "traced back to Cheema."

Obviously, now we know that the ticket that was found belonged to the Algerian man who was heading back to his country--and that he had been found by the police to be in the same apartment with Fazal Cheema.

That's how it tracked back.


53 posted on 10/13/2005 8:07:38 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: indcons
Barakat said the FBI agents were polite and professional throughout the investigation, but he also said Norman police were "very aggressive, very mean."

Meaning the FBI pitched slow hanging softballs, while the Norman PD asked tough questions?

54 posted on 10/13/2005 8:34:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: juntos
The article describes Barakat as "a University of Oklahoma instructor from Egypt."

It also describes the 37 y/o Algerian as a visiting professor.

56 posted on 10/13/2005 9:02:57 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
It also describes the 37 y/o Algerian as a visiting professor.

Oops. It doesn't mention the age of the Algerian.

57 posted on 10/13/2005 9:06:08 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Rte66
Obviously, now we know that the ticket that was found belonged to the Algerian man who was heading back to his country--and that he had been found by the police to be in the same apartment with Fazal Cheema.

We don't know that it's the same ticket. The one traced to Cheema was said to be for several months in the future, not the day after the bombing.

60 posted on 10/13/2005 9:26:04 PM PDT by El Gato
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