Posted on 10/13/2005 3:41:16 PM PDT by MizSterious
It wasn't several months in the future. The date was never revealed; all that was said was that it was subsequent to the bombing.
Somebody here on FR cracked that it was for Spring Break next year and others didn't get the sarcasm -- within a page of posts, it became a factoid.
I'm more inclined to believe that someone told Ms Pratt that the ticket was found in Hinrichs' apartments, meaning his apartment complex.
They don't call them "cookie dusters" for no reason. I sometimes wear a full beard and moustache, particularly during the winter, but I try to keep it fairly short, as it bothers me too much any other way. Too many years in the military to be comfortable otherwise.
Did you read this one?
"I expect if they had anything that they found questionable, he'd not be back in his apartment right now"
Back in his (and Hinrich's) apartment, right now?
"I asked him why he had a beard but no moustache. He said he's "too lazy to shave his beard and his moustache gets in the way." It was that simple."
For the bus driver, yes. For someone who blew themselves up with TATP outside a crowded stadium, who had attempted to purchase ammonium nitrate two days prior, who had other explosives in his apartment that he shared with a Pakistani, it's not that simple.
Last I heard, after he was released, and the apartment was cleared of explosives and whatever, he was allowed to return.
"Last I heard, after he was released, and the apartment was cleared of explosives and whatever, he was allowed to return."
And your source for this is ...?
According to all the media reports I have read Cheema is NOT in the apartment he shared with Hinrichs. After he was released he went to a different apartment in Norman. (He may have gone back to retrieve personal belonging or whatever which would make sense, but he is not there now.) He cannot be reached for comment and hasn't been reached since his release. This was according to his acquaintances and was reported in several newspapers.
I see no-one jumping to conclusions. I do however see people reading what is being reported and noticing how vociferously OU and Boren, and now Cole are responding to these reports.
I see major discrepancies in the reports themselves. I hear that OU is ignoring their own student investigative journalists in insisting there is "no connection". I personally have exposed at least one POSSIBLE reason for OU's student opinion writers wanting to participate in shooting down those investigating further.
That IMHO does not add up to "jumping to conclusions". There is more than enough circumstantial evidence in this case that points to a coverup on the part of Boren and OU. You can choose not to believe this, but saying we are all jumping to conclusions is pushing it. As I said, there are no "conclusions" being reached at this point. Just serious questioning and examination of all that's been reported and the motivations of those speaking out.
"Maybe Hinrich and Berg were part of an Angry White Man Domestic Terrorism organization and needed help from Islamist extremist to learn extremism 101."
I have no idea about Berg, and have refrained from commenting thus far. To my knowledge, Berg was Jewish, and so trotting out that handy, old "militia" angle doesn't quite wash. Neither does it wash with Hinrichs.
"And your source for this is ...?"
The same article we are discussing here for at least the first part. I'll have to hunt around and see if I can find where I saw that he is back in his apartment.
"Also arrested was Pakistani student Fazal M. Cheema, the roommate of the student who apparently killed himself with a bomb, Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III. Cheema took a polygraph test and later was released, The Oklahoman has learned."
Lie detectors (so-called) are not admissable in a court of law, and there might be a good reason for that. What can it be? Oh, yeah, now I remember.
THEY'RE NOT RELIABLE.
For instance, someone whose religion teaches them that it's not only ok, but is admirable to LIE to non-Muslims, could lie without leaving so much as a blip on the graph. Sociopaths are notorious for passing "lie" detector tests.
Believe what you want. I suspect that your main complaint about "jumping to conclusions" is that some of us have "jumped" (after looking at the evidence available) to different conclusions than you did.
Your point seems to me to have been that these people should have been happy to be arrested, rather than "whining" about how loud and mean the NPD cops were, versus how polite and professional the FBI were. To me, that looks like you jumped to a conclusion. Since I was re-citing your very early post on this thread, I also pinged you to my comments. You've not been quite so flamboyant in your posts since, so I expect you've moderated a bit. Have you ever had a run in with the Norman PD? (I seem to remember that you live around here, somewhere, too.) My experience with them is second-hand, but it leads me to think these guys have good reason for their complaint.
No run-ins with NPD. Every encounter so far has been fine (they were extremely helpful when our truck was broken into--and very polite).
I haven't moderated my views at all since my early posts, either. I think at least one and possibly more of these guys is in this up their eyeballs.
As I said before, the only difference between the two of us is that I've "jumped" to a different conclusion than you did. I jumped after seeing what evidence there is. Your reasons for jumping might be the same, or might not, you haven't said.
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