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CA: Kerry calls union dues proposal an effort to silence workers (Prop 75)
ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 10/13/05 | Michael R. Blood -ap

Posted on 10/13/2005 6:24:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Entering a fight over union rights that could have national implications, Sen. John Kerry warned Thursday that a ballot initiative backed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger could tip the balance of democracy by muzzling the voice of working people.

Proposition 75 would force public employee unions, such as those representing teachers, firefighters and prison guards, to seek written permission from members before using dues for political purposes. Kerry, speaking outside a downtown firehouse, said the initiative would condemn workers to "a completely unfair system."

The proposal "represents part of an ongoing effort by the Republican Party to create an unfair playing field, to change the balance of democracy in America," the former Democratic presidential nominee said. "They want a one-sided argument - their side."

While pharmaceutical, insurance and other industries pump millions of dollars into political races, the California proposition would "take away the voices of the firefighters, the police officers, the teachers, the nurses," the Massachusetts senator said.

Republicans want "to strip away Democratic power," Kerry added. "We saw this in the Senate. This is not just a California fight."

Schwarzenegger, on a campaign stop in Burbank, said little when asked about Kerry's criticism. He noted that he skis and plays hockey with Kerry - they both vacation in Idaho. Kerry never mentioned Schwarzenegger by name, but focused his criticism on the proposition.

"I don't pay much attention," Schwarzenegger said. "He has his beliefs, I have mine."

Schwarzenegger has argued that the initiative is not about workers but union bosses who have frustrated his agenda in Sacramento. But public employee unions see it as a threat to their political strength, and they have raised more than $80 million to defeat the proposition and other Schwarzenegger ballot proposals.

Kerry's appearance comes three days after the Republican governor enlisted Arizona Sen. John McCain, a former candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, to help sell his ballot initiatives at public appearances in Burbank and Oakland.

Kerry, flanked by firefighters and other union members, was introduced by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, a fellow Democrat who was one of Kerry's national campaign chairs during the 2004 presidential race. He called the proposition "the wrong way to go."

The mayor derided the governor for failing to work with the Democrat-controlled Legislature. He said supporters of Proposition 75 are corporate interests that want to "discriminate against one group of unions."

In addition to the union proposal, Schwarzenegger is pushing ballot initiatives that would cap state spending, strip lawmakers of the power to draw political boundaries and lengthen the probationary period for teachers from two years to five.

Recent polls have shown that the union initiative is the only one on the governor's slate favored by voters.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: antoniovillaraigosa; burbank; california; dues; johnfnkerry; kerry; kerry2008; losangeles; oakland; prop75; proposal; schwarzenegger; silence; union; uniondues; unoindues; workers

1 posted on 10/13/2005 6:24:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

How touching.
NOT!

Kerry Criticized for Betraying Union Workers ^

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NEWTOWN, Conn., Sept. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a letter sent to Sen. John Kerry from National Shooting Sports Foundation President Doug Painter: National Shooting Sports Foundation President Doug Painter today criticized presidential candidate John Kerry for betraying union workers whose pleas for help he ignored earlier this year in a vote that would have protected union jobs. Kerry was also taken to task for accepting as a gift a hunting gun that could be banned under Kerry-sponsored legislation. The strongly worded letter delivered to Capitol Hill today emphasizes the Senator's hypocrisies. On Labor Day, Kerry claimed to be...


2 posted on 10/13/2005 6:25:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yeah...it's so unfair to prohibit unions from stealing money from people's paychecks for politics.

Somebody get this bozo off the stage.

3 posted on 10/13/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: NormsRevenge

So Kerry wants the union bosses to know best how to spend member money.

What an idiot.


4 posted on 10/13/2005 6:27:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Why the heck are tax deductible union dues allowed to be used for political purposes anyway?


5 posted on 10/13/2005 6:29:34 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: NormsRevenge

I resent him speaking for me. This nurse does not belong to a union and I dropped my membership to my nuses association for supporting a candidate that I didn't.


6 posted on 10/13/2005 6:31:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: NormsRevenge
...kerry is true to form. Instead of giving union members direct involvement in where their union dues go....which political party....he thinks it's silencing people. Ketchup boy can't stand to see money that the dummies count on, go else where.

Doogle
7 posted on 10/13/2005 6:32:02 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: NormsRevenge
Senator Kerry, are you suggesting that a union member should have a louder voice in politics than myself? Yes? Bite me. The union members can decide for themselves how much of their dues will go to political causes - you never know, they might desire to allocate more than before...

But wait, you're screaming about it, so that means you've figured out that if you can't milk union members for their dues, you'll lose out. You believe that the membership of the unions don't support what is going on. Gosh, that must stink for RATs.
8 posted on 10/13/2005 6:35:13 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh yes! It's *much* more "fair", to take union
members money away from them, without their consent,
to use for candidates and issues that the union
members get no choice, in whether or not they support or oppose...Sounds like 'taxation without representation'
to *me*.


9 posted on 10/13/2005 6:36:47 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: NormsRevenge

M. Savage rings in my ears and sears my brain - it's a disease. I never have understood the thinking of the left for going on 63 years. They are brilliant in manipulation and marketing. Their critical thinking - for me - is to warped to weave.


10 posted on 10/13/2005 6:38:42 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: NormsRevenge

How many Heinz workers are union?


11 posted on 10/13/2005 6:38:49 PM PDT by digger48
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To: NormsRevenge
Hooray Arnold!

Hey John F'n Kerry...go ride a bicycle, windsurf of Make-a-new-Plan man or...

Run John Run!

12 posted on 10/13/2005 6:40:33 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: NickatNite2003

The Junior member from Boston Massachusettes, of
all places..A stanch advocate of 'Taxation without Representation'!

The Sons of Liberty would have hung the powdery
wig wearin effete Tory "Fredo" Kerry, from the
Liberty Tree.

:o)


13 posted on 10/13/2005 6:40:34 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: NormsRevenge
Sen. John Kerry warned Thursday that a ballot initiative backed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger could tip the balance of democracy by muzzling the voice of working people.

Forcing Union members to pay for political speech they don't agree with muzzles their voice.
14 posted on 10/13/2005 6:40:44 PM PDT by counterpunch (Save the GOP - withdraw Miers now)
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To: NormsRevenge

As a Firefighter my International backed John Kerry. They didnt come to the Locals and ask the rank anf file who they wanted to back. The Executive Board made that decision on their own without input from the Locals. IMO the members should have a say in where their money goes. Also IMO John F'in Kerry should spend a little more time on Capito; Hill and a lot less in Caliofornia.

It might be nice if he represented the people who elected him once in a while instead of picking up his check fraudulently. Which by the way he has gotten away with for years.


15 posted on 10/13/2005 6:41:02 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's see. Forced to join a union, forced to pay dues, given no choice in how those dues are spent for political purposes, and told to shut up when you object.

The name for this is bolshevism.


16 posted on 10/13/2005 6:41:11 PM PDT by Argus
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To: digger48

Who really cares anything about Kerry and his clan anyway?
There must be better things to talk about.


17 posted on 10/13/2005 6:42:56 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: NormsRevenge
Republicans want "to strip away Democratic power," Kerry added.

Right there is a tacit admission that unions only support Democrats.

Senator, what about union members that are Republicans, hmm?

--crickets--

18 posted on 10/13/2005 6:59:09 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Argus

Even if Arnold isn't re-elected, a big part of his positive legacy on California politics will be this becoming law.

Once again, dems are exposed as the thuggish goons they are.

I hope something similar happens in Washington State. Current breakdown shows unions donated 90% to democrats, 10% to republicans. I'm there are state union workers who wish their money wasn't going to this ratio or not at all to political parties. Should be their right to choose.


19 posted on 10/13/2005 7:08:26 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: NormsRevenge
The Governator should have asked Kerry about that form180 thing... has he really signed it? Where are the records? That sort of thing.

I think any time Kerry says anything the reply should be, "...really? so what about your military records?"

20 posted on 10/13/2005 7:09:23 PM PDT by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NormsRevenge

How can Kerry even think that it is bad to give individuals a say in how their money is spent on political contributions?

I guess it goes along with the Lib theory that government knows how to spend our money better than we do. In fact, Kerry should propose a 100% flat tax rate for all.


21 posted on 10/13/2005 7:16:17 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, by requiring a person to take three seconds to sign a permission slip, three seconds to affix a stamp, and maybe two and one-half minutes to walk to the mailbox, this proposal will "muzzle" the voices of union workers? You gotta love The Poodle.


22 posted on 10/13/2005 7:26:11 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: NormsRevenge

It's funny how democrats always need to get their money by force and against ones will. Whether it be in the form of higher taxes or union dues. They cannot count on anyone to give them their money on their own free will.


23 posted on 10/13/2005 7:32:50 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: NormsRevenge

I propose we do this on a federal level and offer the Democrats a compromise: require unions AND publicly traded corporations to get approval from their members / share holders when making political contributions.


24 posted on 10/13/2005 7:39:58 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: B Knotts
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25 posted on 10/13/2005 8:19:22 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: counterpunch

However, muzzling Republicans and Goldwaterites (yes Freepers, there is a difference these days) while making them pay FOR their own muzzling needs to be done to keep the American Dream alive.........yes folks, that was sarcasm.


26 posted on 10/13/2005 8:34:26 PM PDT by 308MBR (Walnut stocks with steel buttplates are pretty effective in close quarters.)
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To: NormsRevenge
public employee unions see it as a threat to their political strength, and they have raised more than $80 million

This makes is sound so populist, so grass roots, doesn't it? Like they stood in front of the grocery store for hours on end and collected peoples nickles and dimes.

No forced contributions here. No sir.

27 posted on 10/13/2005 8:51:03 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh yes... requiring unions to get permission from their members BEFORE spending dues on political causes... is anti-worker, how exactly? Unions can still contribute to parties and candidates who back their interests - they just have to get their members to agree to spend their dues on it. No offense, Jean Francois, but you're off the reservation on this one.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
28 posted on 10/13/2005 10:01:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
Proposition 75 would force public employee unions, such as those representing teachers, firefighters and prison guards, to seek written permission from members before using dues for political purposes. Kerry, speaking outside a downtown firehouse, said the initiative would condemn workers to "a completely unfair system."

Oh, how unfair to the workers, to require their written permission before their money can be used for politics. Shed a tear for the American worker!

29 posted on 10/13/2005 10:38:32 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Kerry needs union support if he is going to win against Hillary.


30 posted on 10/13/2005 10:40:30 PM PDT by FOG724 (Down with the sickness - Disturbed)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Kerry does have a point: it isn't "reform" because it doesn't apply to all unionized workers. What a brilliant idea, John F'n! When can we expect you to introduce such legislation in the Senate? That's your plan isn't it?

Thanks be to God he isn't president.

31 posted on 10/14/2005 12:40:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75! Prolife? YES on Prop 73!)
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To: BigBobber
It does sounds so "grass roots" and so "populist" as if it's (as they claim in ads) the working class going door-to-door, begging for pennies against the evil, greedy Machine of Big Business and Republicans. Great observation!

Instead they made a special assessment and borrowed against future assessments to wage this campaign of lies. It's even more laughable when the union bosses control municipalities and nearly all state government with an iron fist.

32 posted on 10/14/2005 12:44:47 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75! Prolife? YES on Prop 73!)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


33 posted on 10/14/2005 3:29:55 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA))
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