Posted on 10/15/2005 3:55:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Ancient Finding Suggests Pasta Invented In China
BEIJING -- Who invented noodles first?
A discovery in western China could bolster the argument that the Chinese came up with pasta before the the Italians.
Researchers have found a 4,000-year-old clump of yellow noodles inside an overturned bowl in China. The noodles had been made from a dough of two local varieties of millet. The bowl had become sealed with clay, so the noodles were preserved.
The findings are published in this week's issue of the journal Nature. A Chinese researcher said they're definitely the earliest noodles ever found.
The researcher said the Chinese and Italians have always been at odds over who invented noodles, but said the disagreements were always based on personal accounts and menus -- not actual material like this.
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The Chinese seem to do an awful lot of digging. Every few days they come up with some new discovery proving a new aspect of their prowess. Almost any day now, they'll dig up an Atlas 5 and declare that they had one in 1782 BC.
They will find a bottle of liquid Prell next to the skeleton of a trilobite.
I've never heard any different.
Actually, it's been thought by food historians for some time that pasta originated in China. It may have been brought back in the relatively recent past by Marco Polo, or it may have been something that was known to Italians from older Silk Road contacts with the Orient.
In fact -- it was Marco Polo who brought noodles (noodle 'technology') back to Italy.
I have learn about Marco Polo all my life. I'm 51 now. Nothing new here.
LOL, could be.
BTW, I thought it was gigabyte. Oh well...
That's not all. They also found one of those white take-out cartons with the little metal wire holder next to the noodles!
: )
Now they just need to dig up a 4000 year-old Suffering Bastard.
I do agree with that. It is still rather comical to watch the blurbs coming out of China at about two to four week intervals.
The Italians didn't invent pasta, they just perfected it.
They even acknowledge that there were "white" civilizations, that is, European types (as we were all out of Africa at once time) on their western borders.
The graves dug up were in the thousands....very well preserved. Even the color of the hair was still evident -- red hair.
They do like to dig, don't they?
Pst...pizza was invented as a dish for the poor not the pine apple, chicken, steak, and other ingredients which pollute my tomato pie!!!!
Gotta keep those 1.3 billion people busy doing something.
Damn those commies. First the Russians invented the Hot Dog and Baseball and now this. But I'll bet those "Chinese Finger-cuffs" were invented in Brooklyn.
Or a fruitcake.
As far as I know, they did.
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Actually, I was envisioning a pizza box with a notation to "hold the trilobites" ...mmmmm.
They found it in my old college roommate's fridge. No lie.
Nor I......
I thought it was Al Gore.
ROTFLMBO !
Have you seen the little spoons made from lodestone that sit on a small compass tile? Very cool and very old, your friends are probably correct, before that I believe they just used small needles that gave a general direction.....
Marco Polo said as much.
LOL
Whether they did have these things or not, it's still interesting to hear the claims.
No way! Everybody knows that noodles were invented by Kraft Foods and brought to us by HEB. Next, I suppose that you'll try to tell me that milk comes from a cow......./sarc
Contrary to popular belief, Marco Polo did not discover pasta. The ancient Italians made pasta much like we do today. Although Marco Polo wrote about eating Chinese pasta at the court of Kubla Khan, he probably didn't introduce pasta to Italy.
In fact, there's evidence suggesting the Etruscans made pasta as early as 400 B.C. The evidence lies in a bas-relief carving in a cave about 30 miles north of Rome. The carving depicts instruments for making pasta - a rolling-out table, pastry wheel and flour bin.
And further proof that Marco Polo didn't "discover" pasta is found in the will of Ponzio Baestone, a Genoan soldier who requested "bariscella peina de macarone" - a small basket of macaroni. His will is dated 1279, 16 years before Marco Polo returned from China.
Source: http://www.ilovepasta.org/factsaboutpasta.html
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Hey, gang,
Not trying to rub anybody's nose into it. Just that I remember years ago reading somewhere about this. You know, one of those things-you-thought-you-knew-was-right-is-wrong type books.
-YD
LOL! Well, cheeze, that's not saying much!
I-Doubt-They-Called-It-Macaroni Ping! ;-)
Thanks for the correction. It IS one of those weird myths. I'll start another one: his full name was Marco Roni Polo. :o)
Aw, shoot. I fuhgot dat ess. Ahnuhbull QTF16, Suh.
Yeah, plural. Ahrahseenah-sama.
But did they have any poodles eating noodles?
It's getting hard for me to remember all the way back to the 4th grade, since that was 1957, however IIRC, we learned in history that Marco Polo brought spaghetti to Italy when he returned from China. I see now that a lot of us seem to think that, though it may be more legend than history.
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