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OU student left suicide message
The Oklahoman ^ | Sun October 16, 2005 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 10/16/2005 11:02:43 AM PDT by MizSterious

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To: MizSterious
For it being only one line, he seems to have said quite a lot.

"F--- this s---. I'm outta here."

Fits the description.

141 posted on 10/16/2005 2:45:35 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: juntos

I don't think it was as late as midnight. If I'm wrong, perhaps someone who is local will correct me, but I think the 10 o'clock news said someone was in custody, and they didn't mention how many or what their names were. Anyone else remember those first newscasts? I didn't know about the "minutes later" until the Malkin column either. I had just assumed it had taken some hours to get the info together.


142 posted on 10/16/2005 2:48:00 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks. Many more Q than A on this. The fact that media still played it off is also a mystery. Yet someone's Koran had a fly land on it, and there are 400 stories done on it.


143 posted on 10/16/2005 2:48:44 PM PDT by Cougar66 (If I wanted a woman to be President, I'd have voted for John Kerry)
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To: MizSterious; All

Exactly... especially if he wasn't in custody until 4 1/2 hours AFTER the explosion.

As I said, Tamara Pratt from Channel 9 reported that they were still looking for "5 others" for either having something to do with the bomb or for taking things out of the apartment. If this is the case I'm wondering whether someone was writing this "note" on the computer and when authorities were seen pulling into the apartment complex they didn't then run... That would definitely account for the "cursor still blinking" report.

I also wonder if it was saved into the computer or whether the FBI had to do that? (An auto-save function if running could give investigators a clue as to when exactly the note was written.) Still, even if it was written before the blast there is no way they could be positive it was written by Joel III - or was written willingly.

We don't have the exact wording, but perhaps the "situation" he referred to was him being involved in something he felt he couldn't get out of? I'm thinking that his trip to the feed store was an effort to get caught personally. He had to have known it would raise suspicion - perhaps he was looking for a way out...

Again, this is all SPECULATION and I'm not convinced that any of my theories are the right one! I'm only "thinking aloud" as it were and exploring all possible scenarios.


144 posted on 10/16/2005 2:49:55 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: digitalbrownshirt

Education is a business.

(((((

And a president's job is 99.9% finance.


145 posted on 10/16/2005 2:50:43 PM PDT by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World --Frank Gaffney)
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To: MizSterious; juntos

There are two reports floating around about the time Cheema was taken into custody...

A.) Minutes after the explosion (which would mean sometime between 7:20 and 8:15pm). This as reported by student journalist Kahne who apparently was speaking with the MSA President about it (says it wasn't a party).

and

B.) Shortly after midnight as reported by Barakat the OU instructor also taken into custody.

I don't recall any mention of anyone in custody until the group including Barakat was mentioned. I'll have to review my notes, but I didn't hear or see anything until that time.

This is a huge 4 1/2 hour discrepancy... either Kahne's sources are lying about the time, or Cheema was taken into custody and THEN went to the apartment containing Barakat and was taken into custody again (which doesn't seem likely).


147 posted on 10/16/2005 2:57:34 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: juntos

Good, you found and read that report... I take too long writing up my posts. (o:


149 posted on 10/16/2005 2:58:36 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: ReignOfError
"F--- this s---. I'm outta here."

I've seen "Good night" and "opus" posts on FR that looked like that.

150 posted on 10/16/2005 3:00:05 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: Cougar66

You're welcome. I'm still rather disappointed that the networks bought the line about the "lone suicide" so early and didn't deem it necessary to send their own experienced investigative reporters to the scene. It's easy for them to dismiss locals due to their "holier than thou" attitude towards journalists in smaller markets. I think they missed a HUGE oppotunity - would've been a lot harder for Boren to spin this one if the campus were crawling with people like Geraldo! LOL


151 posted on 10/16/2005 3:02:32 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

oppotunity = opportunity


152 posted on 10/16/2005 3:03:23 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks
An interesting site anyone here can use is the OSBI Case Search site. Search on "Cleveland County", click "defendant" on "party types to search" and put in the dates--after 10/1/2005, before 10/4/2005. If there were any arrests, no charges were filed apparently. There are some Arabic sounding names there, but they seem to be mostly domestic abuse charges.
153 posted on 10/16/2005 3:04:07 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: MizSterious
The student did not have a season ticket.

Perhaps this is appropriate considering the circumstance of the situation.

154 posted on 10/16/2005 3:05:23 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: juntos

Again, there seem to be conflicting reports on this--waiting to see if others recall the 10 pm newscasts that night.


155 posted on 10/16/2005 3:05:44 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: All
I wondered about possible damage by bomb "fragments" such as nails and such. Their presence would suggest to me an intent to kill others and the bomb went off accidentally.

Someone on scene at the time reported, "Three buses have been wiped down and sprayed, clearing the remains of the suicide bomber. The buses are still parked on the South Oval." No damage to buses mentioned -- except one had burn marks. See http://michellemalkin.com

Also, "there were 50 lit matches around the bench where he blew himself up."

Okay, suicide. He did all that to commit suicide. It appears.

Will we ever see all of the investigation results? Fat chance anything will be released.

The "sole" participants in the Murrah Building bombing have been tried, convicted and punished -- one executed and the other two (Nichols and Fortier) in prison but likely to suffer deadly "accidents" -- yes, I truly believe Nichols' days are numbered as people like Attorney Jesse Trentadue force more and more documents out via the federal courts. That cover-up reaches into the Clinton oral office, IMO.

The 1995 OKC bombing solved. Yet, key information remains locked up. Why? Where's the surveillance tapes? Even CBS, et al. can't get them. Why? What's the big deal about McVeigh parking the truck (alone), leaving the truck (alone), and driving off in an old Mercury (alone)?

157 posted on 10/16/2005 3:06:57 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: All
Just for the benefit of those coming to the thread who may not have seen this - I have a comprehensive summary of what's been reported so far in this case at my blog... It's usually in my tagline, but I forgot to put it in my posts on this thread...

War in the Heartland? Terrorism and the OU Bombing -
A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY


Also, here is a link to all the articles posted here at FR and elsewhere about this story, again at my blog: Link Listing for OU Bombing articles
158 posted on 10/16/2005 3:08:28 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (OUBombing summary (UPDATED 10/15) @ http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com/)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The 50 matches were found AFTER the FBI cleared the scene which suggests someone threw them there after the fact. There is no way the FBI would've left evidence like that on the scene.

I personally think that this cover-up is a lot like the OKC bombing - same agencies involved after all... AND in both cases reports of middle eastern men running from the scene are being ignored. In my summary I link to PhiKapMom's reports of what she overheard a girl at her son's fraternity telling investigators.
160 posted on 10/16/2005 3:13:38 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (OUBombing summary (UPDATED 10/15) @ http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com/)
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