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Another Outrage from Child Protection Services
Emial | 10/17/05 | Mark I. Johnson

Posted on 10/17/2005 12:14:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie

Interested Parents,

Tuesday, October 18th at the Biltmore Hotel & Conference Center – 7:00 – 8:30pm, we are holding a meeting to inform, educate, and rally the public around the egregious abuse of power by the Santa Clara Social Services, Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) – Child Protective Services (CPS) as they attempt to rip my family, and many others apart. The Biltmore is located just south of Montague Expressway, east of highway 101 at 2151 Laurelwood Rd, Santa.

At issue are three key points that will be of interest to you as a parent:

  1. Our rights as parents to raise and educate our children as we deem appropriate within the law, free from the harassment and abuse of Social Services,

  2. Our rights as adoptive parents / families to seek and utilize resources that will help solidify the bonds of attachment which are essential to a successful adoption, and

  3. The need for change in the policies of DFCS that will position them to embrace and support families rather than vilify parents and destroy families.

Synopsis of our Situation – The Johnson Family (my family) - is currently under siege by the Santa Clara Social Services, Department of Children and Family Services (DFCS) – Child Protective Services group (sometimes referred to as Emergency Response). The department’s intense interest in my family stems from an allegation of child abuse related to our oldest son who was adopted at birth, and who suffers from drug and alcohol abuse in-utero and a condition called Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD). It is my understanding that the mother of a baby sitter made the report after talking with her daughter who has never met my adopted son, and only sat one time for my two younger children for one day in our home. The sitter observed inconsistencies the furnishing of my oldest son’s room and observed the smell of urine. On this basis this, the mother, who has never met any member of my family, or stepped foot in our home, or discussed the circumstances surrounding our son, reported us to the police as child abusers.

Because we are home schoolers, we initially consulted the HSLDA who advised us not to allow CPS into our home or to interview our children unsupervised. We were further advised to seek the services of a local attorney to ensure that our rights as parents were not violated as we work to clear our names related to the allegations of child abuse, which we did.

The DFCS, as a result of our refusal to allow them to interrogate our young children without supervision, together with the fact that we home school and therefore they are unable to gain access to our children without our permission (as is commonly done when children attend school outside of the home), went to court and swore out a Protective Custody Warrant to force themselves into our home, to have their way with our children, and to remove my oldest son into their protective custody. Today, my wife and children are in hiding to protect our family, in a location not even know to me, while I have been engaged in a very distressing and disruptive court battle in an effort to have the Protective Custody Warrant quashed, a request that was denied last Friday.

To date, no one at DFCS has been interested in understanding our unique parenting needs, the resources we have used and the third parties who can speak to quality of our parenting, and love that we have for of all of our children. Their action, based on our stance of “tell us what you are concerned about so we can give you reasonable access to our family to resolve them”, has been to take the child and ask questions later. They have leveraged the courts in this effort.

Since DFCS has no interest, nor apparent requirements to ascertain the facts before they have ripped our family apart, we’ve decided to share them with you. Perhaps when you speak out someone in the agency will finally listen to how they are about to destroy yet another family in an effort to “protect” a child that does not need protection and initiate policy based changes. This is why I urge you to come out Tuesday evening! This is a completely free event paid for out of my paycheck.

Thank you for your support,

Mark I. Johnson


TOPICS: US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: california; carryokie; childabduction; cps; homeschooling
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1 posted on 10/17/2005 12:14:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie

I smell BS.


2 posted on 10/17/2005 12:15:17 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I smell it too. You must be an old farm boy too.


3 posted on 10/17/2005 12:18:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; Jim Robinson
Hi CCC, could you please flag Santa Clara County FReepers?

This story is an outrage. Because it is involves a child, the proceedings are conducted in secret. There is no accountability for the outcome on the part of CPS. This man is as dedicated a parent as I have met. It is my request that you do what you can to show up for a needed FReep.

4 posted on 10/17/2005 12:19:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: AppyPappy
In what respect?
5 posted on 10/17/2005 12:19:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not enough information here. No specifics about the boy's "condition."

Without additional information, I can draw no conclusions from this.

Since it arrived, uncorroborated, in email, it should be taken with a large, heaping teaspoon of salt.


6 posted on 10/17/2005 12:19:58 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Carry_Okie

So you know this family personally? How about supplying some additional information about the situation. There's so little actual information in that email.


7 posted on 10/17/2005 12:22:08 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Carry_Okie

I'm suspicious of this. Too dramatic, and I sense the desire for attention.


8 posted on 10/17/2005 12:23:36 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: MineralMan
Not enough information here. No specifics about the boy's "condition."

The child suffers from two factors: fetal alcohol syndrome and cocaine abuse by his natural mother and a diagnosis of Reactive Attachment Disorder. He has problems.

He is under the guidance of a therapist familiar with such cases. She has not been allowed to testify. The family belongs to support groups of both RAD kids and homeschoolers. Both groups showed up (about thirty people) for this hearing.

9 posted on 10/17/2005 12:23:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: MineralMan
So you know this family personally?

I know Mark personally. I have not met Christopher.

How about supplying some additional information about the situation. There's so little actual information in that email.

The problem is that the facts of the case are confidential. There is much that I am not at liberty to divulge.

10 posted on 10/17/2005 12:26:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

F#$%ING CPS IS USELESS

DURIG MY DIVORCE 14 REPORTS WERE FILED AGAINST MY EX-WIFE FOR CHILD ABUSE BY POLICE, NEIGHBORS, THE HOSPITAL WHERE ME DAUGHTER HAD TO GO AFTER A WEEKEND WITH HER MOTHER - AND THEY DID *NOTHING*

BUT ONE COMPLAINT FROM MY EX AGAINST ME (AND NOTHING MORE THAN HER WORD) THAT I HAD SPANKED MY DAUGHTER AND THEY WANTED TO OVERTURN A TEMPORARY RULING AND TAKE MY CHILDREN AWAY FROM ME AND GIVE THEM BACK TO HER (A DIAGNOSED PSYCHOPATH WITH A LIFELONG HISTORY OF CHILD ABUSE) "UNTIL THEY COMPLETED THEIR INESTIGATION"



11 posted on 10/17/2005 12:27:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: AppyPappy
Child Protective Services in many states does anything but protect children. Often they are a "tool" in a divorce used to obtain a more favorable status for one party in the divorce. They are "too busy" to do regularly monitor children in homes where they know abuse has happened, because they are either (i) acting as agents for some divorce attorney; or (ii) trying to remove children from homes that function outside their liberal, non-Christian philosophy (and we are not speaking of snake worshipers here, just ordinary everyday average churchgoers).
12 posted on 10/17/2005 12:27:14 PM PDT by Roses0508 (Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.)
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To: Mr. K
Yup, that's the way it works all right: You are at the mercy of the whim of a case worker.
13 posted on 10/17/2005 12:29:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

"The problem is that the facts of the case are confidential. There is much that I am not at liberty to divulge."

Ok. This sends up a red flag for me. Sure, the government may not be allowed to give out confidential info, but that doesn't mean the family, or you with their permission, couldn't give out whatever information that they wanted that would lend support to their case.


14 posted on 10/17/2005 12:30:06 PM PDT by LegionofDorkness (A Proud South Park Conservative)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

homeschool ping


15 posted on 10/17/2005 12:30:23 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Carry_Okie

"The problem is that the facts of the case are confidential. There is much that I am not at liberty to divulge.
"

OK, then.


16 posted on 10/17/2005 12:32:01 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: American Quilter
I have met Mark Johnson through our congregation. I know that he and his family have made a significant commitment to their children and their community, having adopted a child suffering from both fetal alcohol and cocaine abuse in-utero. My wife once ran the Newborn Nursery at Alexian Brothers Hospital. We know that it takes a special kind of person to care for such children.

It is thus no surprise that the adopted child, Christopher, presents significant parenting challenges requiring a different style of parenting than the other two children in the family. The public schools sent him to a shrink where he was diagnosed ADHD and put on Ritalin. The boy's response prompted them to school their children at home and get him other help. I have met the therapist. NOBODY makes a significant commitment like that without the intent to do whatever is necessary to help him flourish, nor have they chosen to do so in isolation. The family has sought professional help for him and associated with a home education support group.

That group showed up for his hearing. There were thirty people there.

It was that difference in parenting that led a first time baby sitter, a minor, who had never even met the child in question (she sat the Johnson's two younger children only), to conclude on the condition of his room that such entirely-warranted differential treatment constitutes child-abuse! She lacked any contextual information from the parents or anyone else to make such a conclusion. It is my understanding that the police investigated and could find none.

17 posted on 10/17/2005 12:32:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

For me, the sniff test failed when their first call was to the Home School Defense group.

Why was that? There was an allegation of child abuse, and they get right on the horn with HSLDA?


18 posted on 10/17/2005 12:35:31 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

You think getting a lawyer when someone threatens to take your children is a bad thing?


19 posted on 10/17/2005 12:36:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: AppyPappy

There is a long history of FR supporting wack-jobs so long as they are Christians. Remember the Chastain's, who smacked their kids around on their bus? And then there was the nurse in Monaco who burned down his master's house.


20 posted on 10/17/2005 12:39:41 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: American Quilter
Too dramatic, and I sense the desire for attention.I sense the desire for attention

No offense but, well...duh! The state is trying to take his child away. I'd be pretty dramatic, too. I'm surprised how so many people are automatically biased against the father. Anonymous complaints can be filed against a parent and even if the charges are baseless, CPS retains files on the family. Combine that with the fact that CPS detests homeschoolers and situations like these occur. This is not an isolated case.

21 posted on 10/17/2005 12:40:58 PM PDT by two134711 (Haven't we learned by now not to trust the AP to tell the whole truth?)
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To: LegionofDorkness
Sure, the government may not be allowed to give out confidential info, but that doesn't mean the family, or you with their permission, couldn't give out whatever information that they wanted that would lend support to their case.

Such as? The "accuser" is a minor who was sitting the other two kids. She told her mom about his room and the mother called it in. The boy has bladder control problems among other things. The police came, checked out the house, and left. The warrant from CPS came a week later without either the sitter, the mother, or CPS ever having met the child.

The standard procedure is for CPS to go to the school and interview the child without the parent's permission. Because Mark's wife homeschools the kids they did not have access.

Mark called the Home School Legal Defense Association, to which he belongs. They recommended that Mark NOT surrender his kids and get an attorney. He did. The attorney he got has been a thorn in CPS' side.

The attorney removed the wife and kids into hiding. Even Mark does not know where they are.

That's much as I can tell you.

22 posted on 10/17/2005 12:41:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: dmz
Why was that? There was an allegation of child abuse, and they get right on the horn with HSLDA?

That's exactly what I would do to protect my kids from the foster care system.

23 posted on 10/17/2005 12:43:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The "accuser" is a minor who was sitting the other two kids. She told her mom about his room and the mother called it in. The boy has bladder control problems among other things. The police came, checked out the house, and left. The warrant from CPS came a week later without either the sitter, the mother, or CPS ever having met the child. The standard procedure is for CPS to go to the school and interview the child without the parent's permission. Because Mark's wife homeschools the kids they did not have access. Mark called the Home School Legal Defense Association, to which he belongs. They recommended that Mark NOT surrender his kids and get an attorney. He did. The attorney he got has been a thorn in CPS' side. The attorney removed the wife and kids into hiding. Even Mark does not know where they are. That's much as I can tell you.

Why didn't they just let them interview the kid? Do they lock the kid in his room all the time, and that's why he pisses in it?

24 posted on 10/17/2005 12:44:16 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Well, I'm not in the area, so I won't be of much help. However, I have seen some cases such as this where the removal of the child was warranted, I'm afraid.

For that reason, I don't rush to judgment without further information. You say you have not met the boy...just the father through your church. That's inadequate, IMO, for forming a clear assessment of the situation. Not everyone in any church, or any other group, is a reliable source, I've found.

There's simply not enough information to draw any conclusions.


25 posted on 10/17/2005 12:45:40 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Politicalmom

Not at all.

I don't understand calling a group that defends those who homeschool instead of a group that defends those falsely accused of child abuse.

Sort of like calling a lawyer specializing in personal injury cases when you have a case involving real estate law.

I'm a million miles removed from this case, but it just raises a red flag for me, that there is something going on that we're not privy to.


26 posted on 10/17/2005 12:47:01 PM PDT by dmz
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To: MineralMan

Someone I know knows this family personally and they say Johnson is a stand up family man. This is REALLY FRIGHTENING!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 10/17/2005 12:48:54 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Never forget Terri Schindler)
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To: Carry_Okie
Since DFCS has no interest, nor apparent requirements to ascertain the facts before they have ripped our family apart,

Actually, his own email says that they did try to ascertain the facts, but that Johnson wouldn't let them.

28 posted on 10/17/2005 12:49:57 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I assume, then, that you also home school. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I really do not understand why a group defending those who homeschool would be the first call you'd make if you were accused of child abuse.

Seems other lawyers might have greater expertise.


29 posted on 10/17/2005 12:49:59 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Carry_Okie

Prayers for this family. If they can do it to this family, they can do it to any of us. Stick it to us at the expense of our children. The authorities detest home schoolers. Something needs to be done to protect the rights of good parents.


30 posted on 10/17/2005 12:50:29 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Never forget Terri Schindler)
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To: Rodney King
Why didn't they just let them interview the kid?

Reactive Attachment Disorder is not a well understood diagnosis and can require unorthodox parenting methods. Why were they unwilling to talk to his therapist, first? It was offered.

I'll tell you that from my personal experience with that system when I was a kid, I would never do it without an attorney present. Kids with fetal alcohol and cocaine histories can be really tough.

Do they lock the kid in his room all the time, and that's why he pisses in it?

Your fantasies are getting the best of you. Didn't you read it? THERE WERE THIRTY PEOPLE AT THE HEARING WHO KNOW THIS FAMILY THROUGH A LOCAL HOME SCHOOL GROUP. If you think they would do that if the family was locking the kid away, you are one sick human being.

31 posted on 10/17/2005 12:51:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; AppyPappy; Graybeard58
Our rights as adoptive parents / families to seek and utilize resources that will help solidify the bonds of attachment which are essential to a successful adoption, ... The department’s intense interest in my family stems from an allegation of child abuse related to our oldest son who was adopted at birth, and who suffers from drug and alcohol abuse in-utero and a condition called Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD).

Red flag here! These parents seem oddly focused on their right to "seek and utilize resources that will help solidify the bonds of attachment", but no info is given on what sort of resources they're using that CPS is objecting to.

Remember the family in Utah (mother convicted just a couple weeks ago) who killed their adopted pre-school-aged girl with "forced water drinking therapy", which they said a therapist had recommended as treatment for the girl's alleged "attachment disorder"? And many years ago, there was a similar case in which an older adopted girl (age 9-10, in Colorado, IIRC) was also killed by an unorthodox "therapy" for attachment disorder -- that therapist insisted the girl needed to go through a re-enactment of the birth process with her new mother, and with her mother and the "therapist" restraining her as she struggled to get out of the rolled up blanket which was supposed to simulate the birth canal, she suffocated to death.

I'm not a big fan of CPS meddling. but if they have any reason to believe that dangerous wacko therapies are being used on this child, they're right to investigate. And if their investigation turns up evidence that the parents are indeed involved with one of these dangerous pseudo-therapists, CPS is right to grab the child.

32 posted on 10/17/2005 12:52:04 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Carry_Okie

"Today, my wife and children are in hiding to protect our family, in a location not even know to me, while I have been engaged in a very distressing and disruptive court battle in an effort to have the Protective Custody Warrant quashed, a request that was denied last Friday."

Stupid move. Going into hiding is sufficient to create a legal presumption of guilt that is damn near impossible to contest.


33 posted on 10/17/2005 12:52:09 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Saundra Duffy
The authorities detest home schoolers. Something needs to be done to protect the rights of good parents.

That's true, but let's just step back a minute... This doesn't seem to have much to do with homeschooling. A babysitter notices that the room of one kid, the adopted kid in the family, is a wreck, and stinks of piss. She tells the kids biological mother, who understandably calls the Gov't. The Gov't comes by to check it out, and the Dad won't let them.

Is it totally unreasonable for the government to assume that there is abuse going on?

34 posted on 10/17/2005 12:53:20 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: dmz

Probably the best people he could have called

About HSLDA




Home School Legal Defense Association is a nonprofit advocacy organization established to defend and advance the constitutional right of parents to direct the education of their children and to protect family freedoms. Through annual memberships, HSLDA is tens of thousands of families united in service together, providing a strong voice when and where needed.


HSLDA advocates on the legal front by fully representing member families at every stage of proceedings. Each year, thousands of member families receive legal consultation by letter and phone, hundreds more are represented through negotiations with local officials, and dozens are represented in court proceedings. HSLDA also takes the offensive, filing actions to protect members against government intrusion and to establish legal precedent. On occasion, HSLDA will handle precedent-setting cases for nonmembers, as well.


35 posted on 10/17/2005 12:54:18 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: Carry_Okie
Your fantasies are getting the best of you. Didn't you read it? THERE WERE THIRTY PEOPLE AT THE HEARING WHO KNOW THIS FAMILY THROUGH A LOCAL HOME SCHOOL GROUP. If you think they would do that if the family was locking the kid away, you are one sick human being.

Well, the room did smell like urine. I have a hard time imainging how that could be the case.

36 posted on 10/17/2005 12:54:20 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: dmz

Duh. That's because the state of calif hates homeschooling families.


37 posted on 10/17/2005 12:55:08 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Never forget Terri Schindler)
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To: dmz
I assume, then, that you also home school.

Yes, we do. I have a daughter sitting next to me waiting patiently for me to help her with her study of ancient Rome.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I really do not understand why a group defending those who homeschool would be the first call you'd make if you were accused of child abuse.

That is because a great many lawyers are not familiar with the true legal requirements for home schooling nor the usual (and often duplicitous) tactics employed by districts to get the kids. HSLDA specializes in that body of law. They offer what is effectively an insurance policy. We pay $125 per two years. If we ever have a problem, the attorney is free.

38 posted on 10/17/2005 12:55:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: alameda; AR15_Patriot; Bob Evans; Bonaparte; bootless; cali5; Carry_Okie; CheneyChick; ...
I have a greater Bay Area ping list, Carry_Okie.

I'll see if I can make it, but I have an overlapping event to attend to first.

39 posted on 10/17/2005 12:56:40 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Saundra Duffy

Are you suggesting that child services should have ignored the complaint?

That you are immediately jumping on the "they hate us 'cuz we home school" as the reason for this is odd to me. There is nothing in the email or anything else that we've been told that suggests the means by which they educate their kids is even part of the issue.

What part of this am I missing?


40 posted on 10/17/2005 12:57:31 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Rodney King
Is it totally unreasonable for the government to assume that there is abuse going on?

It is totally unreasonable for the government to have access to the children without consulting the parents and their associated professional consultants first unless there is clear probable cause of immediate physical harm to the child.

Urine in a room from a kid with a history of fetal abuse isn't it.

41 posted on 10/17/2005 12:58:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Do you know what kind of therapy they were using to treat the RAD? From googling around, it looks like there are a bunch of dangerous quack therapies that some are using, including tying kids up.


42 posted on 10/17/2005 12:59:16 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Why were they unwilling to talk to his therapist, first?

Maybe because they know plenty about the therapist already, from other cases, which they're "not at liberty to discuss".

And just because 30 people show up to a meeting to support someone, doesn't necessarily mean that someone is right about the topic of the meeting. All sorts of dangerous and abusive psychotherapy methods have sizeable followings, usually among groups of people who have some reason in common to have been targets of the parties promoting the therapies.

43 posted on 10/17/2005 12:59:53 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Saundra Duffy

"Someone I know knows this family personally and they say Johnson is a stand up family man. This is REALLY FRIGHTENING!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm sure it is. However, CPS is not always wrong in their assessment of situations. They are, sometimes, but sometimes, they save kids who are in danger.

And third-party reports of someone's character are not always valid assessments.

I used to work in a public library as a volunteer. My job was to shelve books and occasionally help kids find materials they needed for school projects. I put in over 2000 hours doing this over about five years.

There were a few households who home-schooled their kids. A couple of those simply dumped the kids off at the library in the morning and retrieved them in the afternoon. Most of the kids were OK, and spent the time reading and doing assignments from their parents.

But...there was this girl...about 12 years old. She always sat at the farthest table and didn't do hardly anything at all while she was there. And she was there almost every day from opening time to about 5PM when her step-father picked her up.

She never smiled. She never said a word. She didn't read any of the books. Everyone who worked there tried to befriend this kid, just with smiles and a nice hello, or maybe a recommendation of a book to look at. She always just shook her head violently when someone tried to engage her.

After a couple of months, the head librarian of the branch tried to talk to the girl's step-father, just to describe her concern. The step-father threatened to sue her if she ever bothered his daughter again. I was there, and heard him yelling at her, and stepped up to provide a male presence. He backed off.

Still, he kept dropping her off at the library. The librarian finally contacted the CPS about her concerns about this sad kid. They came to the library and interviewed her, then did further investigation.

Turned out that the step-father was sexually abusing the girl, and physically abusing her mother into silence. The "home-schooling" was nothing but a ruse. It turned out that she couldn't read a word, and that he had been having sex with her since she was 6 years old. He's in prison now. The girl killed herself when she was 16.

He was a deacon of the local Methodist church. Everyone thought he was a strong family man. Guess not.

This is why I do not automatically take sides in such cases. I've seen the other side of the coin. There's absolutely nothing wrong with home-schooling. There are those, however, who use the pretense of home-schooling for other reasons. It happens.


44 posted on 10/17/2005 1:00:53 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Carry_Okie
1. How old is the kid?

2. This is phishy: The sitter observed inconsistencies the furnishing of my oldest son’s room and observed the smell of urine.

The inconsistency wouldn't be evidence of the kid being tied down, would it?

45 posted on 10/17/2005 1:01:04 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: dmz
Are you suggesting that child services should have ignored the complaint?

No. They should have called in the parents and the child for a consultation.

There is nothing in the email or anything else that we've been told that suggests the means by which they educate their kids is even part of the issue.

Are you qualified to determine how a ten-year-old former drug baby should be educated? Are you courageous enough to adopt one? Are you or a pack of politicians knowledgable enough to deal with it? Well, the history says no. The schools misdiagnosed the kid and put him on Ritalin.

Yeah, that'll keep him quiet.

46 posted on 10/17/2005 1:02:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Are you qualified to determine how a ten-year-old former drug baby should be educated? Are you courageous enough to adopt one? Are you or a pack of politicians knowledgable enough to deal with it? Well, the history says no. The schools misdiagnosed the kid and put him on Ritalin.

So, what techniques are they using to treat the RAD?

47 posted on 10/17/2005 1:05:43 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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1. How old is the kid?

Ten.

The sitter observed inconsistencies the furnishing of my oldest son’s room and observed the smell of urine.

The inconsistency wouldn't be evidence of the kid being tied down, would it?

If that were the case, would the families of his home school group be showing up in support of the parents? Would Help One Child send a representative? They did, twice.

48 posted on 10/17/2005 1:06:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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"I have met Mark Johnson through our congregation."

Can I ask the denomination of your congregation? You needn't answer if you don't feel it's relevant.


49 posted on 10/17/2005 1:06:47 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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There's a quote in this email that bothers me:

"Today, my wife and children are in hiding to protect our family, in a location not even know to me, while I have been engaged in a very distressing and disruptive court battle in an effort to have the Protective Custody Warrant quashed, a request that was denied last Friday."

When the family did this, they pretty much established a legal presumption of guilt, and they are going to have one hell of a time keeping their children under any circumstances.


50 posted on 10/17/2005 1:06:58 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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