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Canadian Navy Readies Proposal to Acquire Amphibious Assault Ships
Canadian Press via www.canada.com ^ | October 17, 2005 | Murray Brewster

Posted on 10/17/2005 6:06:07 PM PDT by NorthOf45

Canadian navy readies proposal to acquire amphibious assault ships

Murray Brewster
Canadian Press
October 16, 2005

HALIFAX (CP) - The Canadian navy is drafting a plan to acquire two large amphibious assault ships capable of transporting thousands of troops and dozens of tanks and trucks across the seas.

The idea, which merited a passing reference in last spring's defence policy statement, is expected to go before the federal Treasury Board next year for consideration, said the director of the navy's maritime requirements.

"We're looking at being more engaged on a global scale," said Capt. Peter Ellis.

"I think it's a critical requirement, especially if we're going to conduct operations at short notice."

The acquisition of the ships, that can resemble small aircraft carriers, are in addition to the navy's $2.1-billion project to build three regular supply ships.

As yet, the navy has not come up with a price tag for the landing ships.

Ellis said the amphibious ships and supply boats serve different purposes.

The transports, complete with a detachment of attack helicopters and landing craft, give the army an ability to land on an empty or partially defended beach anywhere in the world.

Regular supply ships require a port to load and unload.

Defence analyst David Rudd said the navy needs to better explain their planned purchase.

"If want to go in this direction and spend quite a bit of money - you would think that the capability would be quite literally leaping off the pages of their defence policy statement," said Rudd, president of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies.

[b]Adding to Rudd's concern, the federal Conservatives supported the concept of the landing ships in the last election. But Prime Minister Paul Martin dismissed the idea during the televised debate, saying Canadians had a choice between a party that supported health care and one that wanted to buy aircraft carriers.[/b]

In April, Ottawa laid out a sweeping new plan for its Armed Forces, promising a better-equipped, more efficient and more effective military at home and abroad - all within five years.

The document, which promises to effectively double Canada's overseas capability, includes the purchase of new ships, new aircraft and new vehicles.

But even if the project passes the political hurdles, Rudd says he sees potential problems in selecting a design.

The U.S. is constructing a new class of amphibious assault ships called the San Antonio class, but may not commission all of them. Talk within the Defence industry is that two of the yet-to-be constructed ships could be sold to another country, possibly Canada.

Such a move would be another strike to Canada's struggling shipbuilding industry.

In Rudd's view it would also be a mistake given the size and complexity of the ships, which require a crew of 300 or more to sail.

Ellis said the navy has not settled on any specific design at this time.


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: canada; canadiantroops; military; navy
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Some visuals of the San Antonio class ...



The next two are of the USS Mesa Verde ...





As for choppers on such a ship, Canada has chosen to go with the Sikorsky H92 (CH-148 Cyclone) ...


1 posted on 10/17/2005 6:06:11 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: Clive; GMMAC; fanfan

Canadian Military Ping


2 posted on 10/17/2005 6:06:51 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Anyone know the % speed increase in a bulb bow vs. a V bow?


3 posted on 10/17/2005 6:08:06 PM PDT by Rebelbase (""As far as I can tell, she (Miers) is every bit as conservative as George Bush." --NCsteve (FR))
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To: Rebelbase
Anyone know the % speed increase in a bulb bow vs. a V bow?

The real question is why they even bother, they gave up having a real military long ago.

4 posted on 10/17/2005 6:15:21 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider

Maybe they're planning a move against Denmark...


5 posted on 10/17/2005 6:18:39 PM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: D Rider

I have another question ... if you have nothing worth posting, why bother? </rhetorical>


6 posted on 10/17/2005 6:20:51 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Do the Canadians have armed forces in sufficient numbers to warrant two of these?

And if both were at sea at the same time, might Vermont get ideas to seek a little lebensraum?


7 posted on 10/17/2005 6:24:49 PM PDT by steveyp
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To: NorthOf45

8 posted on 10/17/2005 6:27:11 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks, but no thanks. : )


9 posted on 10/17/2005 6:30:03 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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Just trying to help...might be more practical than the bigger ships if you guys want to invade Chicago via Lake Michigan.


10 posted on 10/17/2005 6:34:19 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to.)
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To: NorthOf45

Sorry, I'll sing 4 verses of O Canada for penance.


11 posted on 10/17/2005 6:43:09 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: NorthOf45

Anyway, does Canada plan on having an Armed Force or two sometime soon.


12 posted on 10/17/2005 6:45:20 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider

Geez, I hope so ... Denmark is making me nervous.


13 posted on 10/17/2005 6:56:09 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
Canadian Amphibious Assault Ship:


14 posted on 10/17/2005 6:57:35 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Winning isn't everything -- it's also about humiliating your opponent.)
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To: Rebelbase
Anyone know the % speed increase in a bulb bow vs. a V bow?

Actually is doesn't increase speed so much as it reduces resistance as the ship cuts through waves. Reducing resistance means that the ship requires less horsepower for the same speed and that increases fuel efficiency. It also decreases pitch which is helpful when conducting flight ops.

15 posted on 10/17/2005 7:04:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: NorthOf45

They need something like another few copies of the "Maid of the Mist" if they ever hope of taking the American Falls.


16 posted on 10/17/2005 7:15:03 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: NorthOf45

Canada has a navy? Who knew?


17 posted on 10/17/2005 7:42:12 PM PDT by aardvark1 (Eschew obfuscation.)
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Actually, the Royal Canadian Navy was once a considerable force.

I was about to make my own slam about the lack of Canadian commitment for overseas operations-- but I just got done with an online chat with a Canadian chopper pilot just back from Afghanistan. I don't want to malign the men and womand of the Canadian Forces just because the Canadian voters keep the Liberal Party scum in office.

But I find myself asking the same question that I ask about the Bundeswehr. Just who are they expecting to fight?

Most NATO forces in Afghanistan are doing purely defensive peacekeeping work. Most of them don't go up into the yamas looking to send the jihadists to meet Allah. So after Afghanistan is more pacified-- just who do the NATO powers figure on fighting?

18 posted on 10/17/2005 7:55:25 PM PDT by Lysandru
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Thanks for posting this. I hope the Canadian Navy gets a couple of LPD-17s.

Check out the specs on all of the world's carriers and Amphibious Assault ships at my new site dedicated to that purpose. The San Antonios are included there.

WorldWideAircraftCarriers.com

19 posted on 10/17/2005 8:35:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Lysandru
Actually, the Royal Canadian Navy was once a considerable force.

But is is pretty much a joke now, with the punchline being the 4 submarines that they bought used.

20 posted on 10/17/2005 9:07:54 PM PDT by PAR35
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