Posted on 10/18/2005 8:33:29 AM PDT by Millee
There's a new fad of students -- mostly girls -- wearing pajama bottoms to school, and so far administrators are not making a fuss about it.
"Some days you don't want to get dressed up for school. Like when it's raining and cold. You just want to be cozy," said Ben Lomond High School junior Elvia Escalante, 16.
School administrators in Ogden, Weber and Davis school districts say the pajamas have been modest and there hasn't been a problem.
"There are worse things a kid could wear to school," said Ross Lunceford, principal of Hillcrest Elementary School in Ogden.
"There's a fine line there, and I think sometimes we need to pick our battles. Should we get into a tussle over pajamas?" said Eileen Nicholas, student and family services teacher specialist for Ogden district.
Some students don't think much of the attire.
"They may be comfy, but it makes you look trashy and it gives you the idea you can just slack off for the day," said Ben Lomond High School senior Alena Marshall, 18.
It obviously sounds like a truth or dare kind of thing.
I wear pants in the winter for the same reason. I froze my knees enough when I was a kid and dress codes required dresses for school. If dressy clothes cold be more comfortable, I'd wear them more.
cold=could Spell check doesn't catch it when it's spelled right.
They're working on their Master's in Plumbing.
Again, my point. Putting one's personal comfort over service to the Lord means the focus is on you, not Him. Your "felt needs" above His worth. Your "purpose" over His demands. Otherwise, you're just playing church.
1) Is it better to worship irreverently than to not worship at all?
2) Is the point of a worship service to make people comfortable, or to surrender yourself and all that you've been given to the Lord?
3) Where does it stop? Pajamas? Underwear? Nothing at all? Why not? You've already stated that it doesn't matter, just as long as they're in church, right?
Should I drink a coffee during the service? How about a Mountain Dew? A beer? What's the difference, just as long as I'm physically there, right?
Either approaching the Lord, the Creator if the Universe, our Sustainer and Provider, the Holy One, in reverence and awe is important to you or it's not. You decide for yourself, but I choose not to take my faith and worship casually.
>>I live in California, and it is hard to get people to go to church out here.<<
The problem is the person, not the church. That's a concept that the seeker-sensitiviy churches can't grasp. You don't alter the worship service to suit man - man has to be altered in order to worship.
When I first tried this with my oldest, she would run an entire load to wash the one shirt and pair of socks she wanted to wear the next day. I actually had to limit her to two or three loads a week and they had to be full!
Either approaching the Lord, the Creator if the Universe, our Sustainer and Provider, the Holy One, in reverence and awe is important to you or it's not.
I don't think dressing up the flesh means a thing to Him. He is concerned with your soul. We see the fleshly stuff. He sees the inner spirit of man. We are to worship Him in spirit and truth and you can't put a dress or suit on either of them.
I can worship the Lord here at home in my bathrobe or while working in my yard in my work clothes. It is deplorable to turn away or discourage someone who is seeking the Lord simply because they aren't dressed "appropriately" yet many church members do this very thing by making a newcomer feel unworthy because of their attire or overall appearance. Jesus said "Him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out."-John 6:37 . Sadly, there are many church folk who would. In reality, the well dressed church member with no love and only condemnation in his/her heart for that one who is seeking is in worse spiritual condition than the one seeking.
Let the filthy stinking bum come in. Let the scantily clad prostitute come in. Let God clean them up on the inside and they'll clean themselves up on the outside.
amen
There MUST be an ironbound legal division established between obesity and Spandex.
It HAS to be done to spare the children the horrible trauma.
And what you're wearing either has alot to do with that -- or not. If it does, dress up, if it doesn't don't. Doing what God's urging YOU to do is righteous, insisting that everyone else do it, too, is legalism.
I don't wanna be a Pharisee
I don't wanna be a Pharisee
Cuz a Pharisee ain't fair, ya see
I don't wanna be a Pharisee
Must be the bloggers going back for extra credits.
You're completely missing my point.
My point has nothing to do about casting anyone out or rejecting them for what they wear - it has absolutely everything to do with the internal motives of the worshipper. I said before it matters not if someone's wearing jeans, so long as it's their absolute best that they're approaching the Lord with.
Motive. Intent. Why does the person wearing shorts want to wear shorts? Is it for their personal comfort, or is it all that they have? The former is idolatry, the latter is fine.
luckystarmom said that her husband won't go to church unless he can dress casually. The point is that his intent is to please himself, not worship the Lord with all his heart. We don't worship according to our standards, we worship according to God's standards. Please re-read my post.
What comes out of a person is what defiles them. If they have a lazy, casual attitude towards worship, it'll show, regardless of what they wear. If they are earnest in their faith, it won't matter because regardless of what they wear, they're giving their best to the Lord - and that's what counts.
Not going to church if you can't wear shorts and sneakers says to me that the person isn't interested in serving the Lord in the first place. That was my point.
It's not about us and our comfort, it's about Him and His worth.
And re: this:
>>I don't think she meant it was ok to come to church in underwear or nude and I don't think she believes it's fine to drink beer in service. I also understand her point of how hard it is to get people to come to church.<<
My point is, if you allow one, you can't rule out the others. If your point is to make church as appealing as possible, why would you want to shun the coffee/Dew/beer drinkers? It shouldn't matter, right? You said yourself that you ought to accept everyone, regardless of how they're dressed - would you exclude someone from church based on the portable beverage in their hand?
...and THAT is a patently legalistic assertion, and a PERFECT illustration of the exact attitude that keeps many away from church and, consequently, away from the Kingdom. "If the Kingdom of God comes with THAT attitude," they think, "I don't want any part of it." I'll hazard a guess that legalism has damned more souls than all other sins combined.
See, your whole problem is that 100% of your focus is on the other guy's motive. Well -- NEWSFLASH! -- the other guy's motive isn't supposed to be YOUR problem, it's supposed to be between him and God to hash out. Judge not lest ye also be judged. Splinter and beam, man! Get over it!
Yeesh. Whatever happened to "Just As I Am"?
You're really not comprehending what I'm saying, are you?
Since I can't say it any plainer, and don't want to have to repeat myself, I'll just ask you to go back and re-read my posts on this thread from the start.
Christians are to teach and exhort other Christians using sound Biblical judgement and discernment - rebuking a fellow believer when necessary. Paul's letters to Timothy and the Corinthian church explain this, as does Proverbs 3:21. If Christians weren't supposed to correct and counsel other Christians in areas of sound doctrine, then large parts of the Bible are rendered useless - namely the Great Commission. How are we to preach to the lost if we can't discern their motives and judge whether or not they're indeed saved?
>>Whatever happened to "Just As I Am"?<<
It's been drafted into the Book of Rick Warren.
There used to be a time where the Lord's day was set apart, sanctified, and kept holy by the general population. Stores were closed, bars were closed, and people who attended church dressed in their Sunday Best (yes, even if it were jeans or overalls, they were still 'the best' of all the other pairs).
Now, schools have sporting practices/games on Sunday, people can go to the bar or package store, and no one thinks twice about any of it. It comes down to respect, modesty, and a general sense of what's proper and what isn't.
My Grandmother used to keep a clean, fresh apron by the front door, just in case anyone happened to come by for a visit, she could change quickly. People used to dress nicely when they went out - now people go shopping in their pajamas.
It just shows a general laziness and lack of respect.
I pointed out to my HS students that wearing clothes to entice boys also enticed old men. That grossed them out pretty bad.
I make my homeschooled kids get dressed before we do school.
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