Planet Venus 'Fell prey to Global Warning'!!!

Yahoo - AFP ^ | October 18, 2005 | AP

[Fred Nerks]

Velikovky's Ghost (snip)


In discussion with Einstein, Velikovsky predicted that Jupiter would be found to emit radio noises, and he urged Einstein to use his influence to have Jupiter surveyed for radio emission, though Einstein himself disputed Velikovsky's reasoning. But in April 1955 radio noises were discovered from Jupiter, much to the surprise of scientists who had thought Jupiter was too cold and inactive to emit radio waves. That discovery led Einstein to agree to assist in developing other tests of Velikovsky's thesis. But the world's most prominent scientist died only a few weeks later.

Velikovsky expected other discoveries through space exploration. He claimed that the planet Venus would be found to be extremely hot, since in his reconstruction, the planet was "candescent" in historical times. His thesis also implied the likelihood of a massive Venusian atmosphere, residue of its former "cometary" tail. And he claimed that the Earth would be found to have a magnetosphere reaching at least to the moon, because he was convinced that in historical times the Earth exchanged electrical charge with other planetary bodies.

Arrival of the space age was a critical juncture for Velikovsky, as data returned from the Moon, from Mars, and from Venus begin to recast our views of these celestial bodies. In 1959, Dr. Van Allen discovered that the Earth has a magnetosphere. In the early sixties, scientists realized, much to their surprise, that the planet Venus has a surface temperature as high as 900 degrees Fahrenheit, hot enough to melt lead. "The temperature is much higher than anyone would have predicted," wrote Cornell Mayer.

Things grew more promising for Velikovsky. In 1962, two scientists, Valentin Bargmann, professor of physics at Princeton, and Lloyd Motz, professor of astronomy at Columbia, urged that Velikovsky's conclusions "be objectively re-examined." In support of this reconsideration, they cited his prior predictions about radio noises from Jupiter, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and an unexpectedly high temperature of Venus.

In July 1969, on the eve of the first landing on the Moon, the New York Times invited Velikovsky to summarize what he expected the Apollo missions to find. Velikovsky responded by listing nine "advance claims," including remanent magnetism, a steep thermal gradient, radioactive hot spots, and regular moonquakes. All told, it was a remarkably accurate summation of later findings. But still, the scientific community was silent.

Then, in 1972, at the invitation of the Society of Harvard Engineers and Scientists, Velikovsky returned to the site from which the original boycott was launched. His presentation produced a standing ovation. "I survived, as you see," he said. "I have been waiting for this evening for 22 years. I came here to find the young, the spirited, the men who have a fascination for discovery."

http://www.thunderbolts.info/velikovsky-ghost.htm

[Swordmaker]

Then, in 1972, at the invitation of the Society of Harvard Engineers and Scientists, Velikovsky returned to the site from which the original boycott was launched. His presentation produced a standing ovation. "I survived, as you see," he said. "I have been waiting for this evening for 22 years. I came here to find the young, the spirited, the men who have a fascination for discovery."

Here we are 28 years later and the scientific community still refuses to test the electrical nature of the Cosmos...

[Fred Nerks]

Here we are 28 years later and the scientific community still refuses to test the electrical nature of the Cosmos...


That 'spark of life' without which our hearts would stop beating...

[Fred Nerks]

I thought this sounded hopeful:

NASA ADMINISTRATOR'S SEMINAR SCHEDULED

"The Plasma Universe," the next in a series of seminars to help shape a unified agenda for the future of NASA's space program will be held at 3 p.m. EST, on Monday, Nov. 20 in NASA's west lobby auditorium, 300 E St., SW, Washington, DC.

Dr. James Van Allen, University of Iowa; Dr. Ian Axford, Max-Planck Institute for Astronomy; and Dr. Roger Blandford, California Institute of Technology will describe how measurements of particles and fields within our local space plasma have led to new understandings of the Sun/Earth connection, the environments that envelop the planets, and the exotic behaviors of cosmic objects such as supernova remnants, pulsars, and quasars.

The seminar series, initiated by NASA Chief Scientist Dr. France Anne Cordova and introduced by NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin, will continue over the next year and will consider fundamental questions that bear on NASA's greatest challenges. Media representatives who wish to cover the event with cameras should call 202/358-1717 by 1 p.m. on Nov. 20.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/velikovsky-ghost.htm

But should this come as a surprise? Plasma cosmologists--including such distinguished authorities as Anthony Peratt of Los Alamos Laboratories and astrophysicist Eric Lerner--have long argued that the pillar of Big Bang reasoning is refuted by what we see in space and what we observe in scientific experiments. In fact, the world's leading authority on peculiar galaxies, astronomer Halton Arp, has been warning the astronomical community for decades now that it is following a dead-end path. He paid for these warnings dearly, losing his telescope time and being forced to move to Germany to carry on his work at the Max Planck Institute. Its too bad Halton Arp and Immanuel Velikovsky never had a chance to compare notes on the role of sacred cows in the sciences.

Peratt, Thornhill, Fred Hoyle, Margaret and Geoffrey Burbidge, and many others have long claimed that astronomers were overlooking evidence essential to the question of redshift. There is evidence that plasma discharge can produce intrinsic redshift--that is, redshift with no inherent relationship to velocity or distance. Our own Sun exhibits an unexplained excess redshift at its limb. This is no small matter. If plasma discharge is involved, the electrically neutral universe of the 1950's must be abandoned once and for all. And we're not talking about a small problem here, but the biggest mistake science has made in modern times. Virtually all of the theoretical sciences have been held captive by the same conjecture, which started as a guess, then hardened into the pretentiousness of pure mathematics, divorced from the rigors of observation and experiment...

See previous comment:
NASA, HALTON ARP, MAX PLANK INSTITUTE IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH?

[SunkenCiv]

Good lookin' out (jargon ;'). Even in the mid-1970s, the idea of the so-called greenhouse effect on Venus (which was suggested long before Sagan, when the cloud top temps were first measured using radar observations, before the space age) was rejected because the Venusian atmosphere is opaque to the sun's rays, such that the surface glow detected by the Venera probes is not due to solar rays -- they don't reach the surface.

My favorite title from those two KRONOS special issues is C.J. Ransom's "Sagan's Appendices: A Quick Appendectomy".

[Fred Nerks]

My favorite title from those two KRONOS special issues is C.J. Ransom's "Sagan's Appendices: A Quick Appendectomy".

....

I would love to read that, do I have to join KRONOS - or can you please provide a link?

[SunkenCiv]

Ceased publication years ago, but is available on the Catastrophism CD-ROM (along with Pensee', a previously defunct predecessor of KRONOS). Generally a search of the used book search engines will turn up copies, or entire sets.

http://www.kronia.com/used.html

http://gallery.bcentral.com/Gallery/ProductListing.aspx?GID=4907389&Dept=215904

[Fred Nerks]

Thank you.

[The Red Zone]

Plant kudzu!

[Fred Nerks]

Contains a complete searchable library of the most important catastrophist publications over the past quarter century, including Pensee, Kronos, SIS Review, SIS Workshop, and The Velikovskian, plus numerous website articles and other resources. An essential library for newcomers to catastrophism, but equally valuable for long-time enthusiasts and advanced researchers...

WOW! I have placed an early order with Santa - thanks for the link!

[FreedomCalls]

(Personally, I think there's a reason for that...both the odd rotation of Venus and the formation of our own tide locked moon seem to have resulted from huge impacts. My suspicion is that the impacts occurred simultaneously, or that Venus may have been involved with the impact itself).

Getting pretty close to Immanuel Velikovsky there.

[FreedomCalls]

There's a habitable zone in the upper parts of the atmosphere where there is a 70°F temperature inversion layer. You would still have to deal with that pesky sulphuric acid rain, but if you could float a balloon at that level you could live there easily.

[SunkenCiv]

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[particularly this subthread]
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[SunkenCiv]

;') well, last year they did detect clouds on Uranus...

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[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 2005. Thanks Dr._Joseph_Warren.

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