Patient wants to live, but old 'living will' mandates death

WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/20/05 | Diana Lynne

[BykrBayb]

I wasn't discussing Scientology. I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

There is nothing to suggest that his wife has given up trying to deprive him of the treatment he needs and has clearly stated he wants.

Since when is murder a private matter, only to be discussed by those who approve of murder? I noticed you didn't say it's none of your business. It's just none of my business because I don't approve of murder. And it's none of anyone else's business, unless they do approve of murder. No one is entitled to speak their minds on the subject, except you, and anyone else who supports forced euthanasia. I guess because you advocate involuntary euthanasia it's your business.

Refresh my memory. Did you also try to stop people from saving Mae Magouirk's life? Did you take it hard when the attempt to torture her to death was foiled, thanks in part to those of us who stepped over you and did the right thing? If Jimmy Chambers is allowed to live, in accordance with his stated wishes, will you become even more bitter?

[BykrBayb]

It's no joke. One of the police officers guarding Terri witnessed it. It's only funny to those who had drinking games celebrating her murder.

[John Robertson]

This is like a Saturday Night Live routine:

Doctor, he has a living will...go ahead.

Hello! I'm conscious here!

[billbears]

No one is entitled to speak their minds on the subject, except you, and anyone else who supports forced euthanasia

I don't support forced euthanasia. But guess what? I don't live in South Carolina, so this particular case is none of my business. And it's none of yours either. I have no idea in hell how you jump to the assumption that I support forced euthanasia (but nice try at tying me to something with no proof). However what I do support is the US Constitution and 10th Amendment. I support James Madison's views on the Constitution, and I support Justice Anton Scalia's views on the Constitution, particularly as it pertains to this issue. All three by the way agree that this issue should be determined by the citizens and legislature within a respective state. This means no external influences, such as wild packs of out of state fruits hanging out in front of hospitals and bothering local officials with emails or phone calls if you don't live in that state.

Did you also try to stop people from saving Mae Magouirk's life?

Refresh my memory. Die Mae Magouirk live in the state of North Carolina? As I have no idea who the hell that is, I suppose not. Does Jimmy Chambers live in the state of North Carolina? No. It's none of my business.

I'll tell you however what is my business (and should be yours if you are as concerned as you seem to be). Work on the issue within your state. Contact your state legislature. But quit bothering elected officials in other states who you did not cast a vote for. You have no right to interfere with the internal affairs nor influence decisions within other states

[IIntense]

"...the judge, Michael Schiavo, and his lawyer...and given no food or water."

IMO that idea is a fantasy, wishful thinking. For one thing, Greer used a casual comment by Terri as proof she chose death over her circumstances. Secondly, he chose to believe that she was a "vegetable", (a term I deplore, BTW), despite testimony from those who disagreed.

Neither of these decisions could be applied to M. Schiavo, Greer or Felos, at that time anyway.

Yet each of them suffers a serious sickness themselves. They reek of evil.

[IIntense]

When it regards certain issues, e.g., legalized murder and legalized marriage between same-sex people, the results will not be isolated to those states. They could influence legislators, judges and advocates of these policies in other states. The U.S. is comprised of all 50 states and when any one of these states caves in to the "anything goes" kind of destructive thinking, we all have the right to step in and let them know they are off the track. Why? Because it is our country and we don't want to sit by and watch it be destroyed by immoral people.

You MAY call me on my judgement of morality. Like it or not, the laws of this country ARE based on the Ten Commandments.

[Wampus SC]

"As it is an affair within the state of South Carolina involving private citizens, common sense would argue that this is an issue for South Carolinians and South Carolinians only."

I posted that information prior to BB, and I'm a South Carolinian -- so tell all that to me, all right?. This "affair" "involving private citizens" is now a court case, and court cases are public matters. Involvement from all over is welcome, because sometimes court decisions result in something called a precedent. (Look the term up if you don't know what it means. I'm sure you're capable.) Precedents are then used as a guide in deciding other cases - in other states, sometimes the whole country, potentially affecting everyone. Maybe even you.

1. You are injured.
2. You clearly communicate that you want to live.
3. Someone orders you doped up so much that you can't communicate, and removes any means of communication.
4. Then you can be killed.

That's Billbear's America. Who wants that America?

[Wampus SC]

"As the wife, who lived with her husband for 58 years, may have an understanding the children don't about her husband's wishes, and the state of SC gives her that right, it is her decision."

He clearly told several doctors and his children that he wants to live. That's a lot of witnesses, isn't it?

The only way your idea that his wife knows better than him would be if Jimmy Chambers was lying about wanting to live. So let's see your proof that he was lying.

[BykrBayb]

You may not like the term "forced euthanasia," but that is exactly what you have advocated. Knowing that Jimmy Chambers wants to live, you have admonished me for attempting to help see that his wishes are carried out. Knowing that Terri Schiavo Schindler wanted to live, you threw one hissy fit after another over people trying to prevent her murder. You advocated the forced euthanasia of Scott Thomas. You must have missed the attempt on Mae Magouirk's life. That was immediately after Terri's murder. Were you still hung over from the WPPFF thread? Has there ever been one time you opposed the extermination of a disabled person?

[Wampus SC]

If you have proof that the man is lying, and he really wants to be removed from the ventilator, produce your evidence, or STFU."

"LOL, temper, temper. Such language...."

...and still no evidence from you. Such sidestepping, such evasiveness....

Guess you had no choice but to use the old "I can't prove Jimmy Chambers was lying about wanting to live, so I'd better jabber about L. Ron Hubbard" trick.

[ArmyTeach]

One step at a time. ... one step, and suddenly we're in a place we never thought we'd be and never wanted to be.

[BykrBayb]

LOL - I still don't know what he was babbling about. I wonder if he does.

[Wampus SC]

Hmmm... looks self-inflicted to me...

[BykrBayb]

I remember one day at the circus, several years ago, he pointed into the center ring and said "I wouldn't want to live like that." Now, some people might claim he meant he wouldn't want to be whipped like the tiger, and even then he didn't mean he'd rather be dead. Just that he preferred the life he had over the life of the tiger. But I'm thinking he was pointing at the clown, and he meant that if he ever became a clown, he'd want to be decapitated.

So yeah, it looks self-inflicted to me. Isn't it pretty?

[Wampus SC]

Yep, sure is. And the clown was perfectly logical, in a clown logic kind of way... I mean, who wouldn't think that if they were to turn into a clown?

Well, gotta get up early in the morning. It's turkey season, ya know...

[BykrBayb]

Happy hunting! If you happen to bag a cuckoo bird, send it to Howard. I've heard he likes them. They're easy to attract, if you chum the swamp with Coco Puffs.

[djreece]

marking

[Iris7]

Looks like the Missus has a bit of a grudge, no? Likely she has been angry with him for decades. Human nature does not change.

[8mmMauser]

I was outside of Woodside at the time near the entry. It actually came out as a scream, "I waaaaaa..." understood by those at her bedside as "I want to live" when told what was about to happen. A cop witnessed it and one of those on the scene came out of the hospice shocked and approached me and brother Hilary, excited and said this time there could be no doubt because her scream was heard by a cop who could be a witness. Shortly afterwards, Attorney Waller confirmed it to the press, soon afterwards the cop promptly got amnesia.

I understand you are skeptical, and I was amazed at the time and would have been had I not witnessed this portion, though not surprised when the cop went limp.

8mm

[8mmMauser]

Yet each of them suffers a serious sickness themselves. They reek of evil.

It shows in their eyes and expressions. If you look at the various photos of each, you can see the empty eyes. 8mm