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New Digs Decoding Mexico's "Pyramids Of Fire"
National Geographic ^ | 10-21-2005 | John Roach

Posted on 10/25/2005 11:14:52 AM PDT by blam

New Digs Decoding Mexico's "Pyramids of Fire"

John Roach
for National Geographic News

October 21, 2005

On TV: Watch National Geographic Explorer: Pyramids of Fire, Sunday, October 23 at 8 p.m. ET/PT on the National Geographic Channel.

Using picks, shovels, and high-tech forensic sleuthing, scientists are beginning to cobble together the grisly ancient history and fiery demise of Teotihuacán, the first major metropolis of the Americas.

The size of Shakespeare's London, Teotihuacán was built by an unknown people almost 2,000 years ago. The site sits about 25 miles (40 kilometers) north of present-day Mexico City. Temples, palaces, and some of the largest pyramids on Earth line its ancient main street.

Scientists believe Teotihuacán was the hub of trade and commerce in Mesoamerica until the city's civilization collapsed around A.D. 650. When the Aztecs stumbled upon the metropolis centuries later, they dubbed it the "City of the Gods," because they believed it was where the Gods met to create the present universe and sun.

Saburo Sugiyama, an archaeologist at Japan's Aichi Prefectural University, says recent excavations and analysis put a mortal face on Teotihuacán's mythological builders. The research is also providing clues to the city's final days.

"We are renewing the early history of Teotihuacán," he said.

One researcher investigating the site is Michael Spence, an anthropologist at the University of Western Ontario, Canada. He says a flurry of research activity at Teotihuacán since the 1980s is allowing scientists to understand the city's history. But "we still have a lot more science to work out," he added.

Tunneling for a Tomb

Sugiyama has concentrated his efforts at Teotihuacán's Pyramid of the Moon. The archaeologist has tunneled deep into the heart of the structure to search for the ruler thought to have ordered the pyramid's construction.

"We've not found the ruler's tomb yet, but we really feel we are very close to these people, the history, of who made this great pyramid," he said.

Sugiyama has made some intriguing finds, including dozens of beheaded people with bound hands. The bodies suggest bloody sacrificial rituals ripe with symbolism of military power, he said.

Excavations also reveal that the pyramid was constructed in seven stages, each stage an enlargement of the last. The work started in A.D. 100 and ended around A.D. 400. Amid several sections, Sugiyama has uncovered the remains of sacrificed victims.

Analyses by Spence of the University of Western Ontario suggest the sacrificed victims came from outside Teotihuacán, possibly as captives brought back from distant territories or battles.

The clues come from oxygen isotopes in bones, which act as geological markers. "They tell you where a person was at a particular time," he said.

Climate and altitude are among factors that affect the isotopes. The isotopes found in remains of pyramid victims differ from those unearthed in city homes.

Bad Teeth

Spence has also found evidence that the health of Teotihuacán's population declined in the city's final century. Residents' teeth have tell-tale lines that form in childhood during episodes of severe stress, such as malnutrition or infection.

"Basically growth stops as the body concentrates on survival and repair," he said. "Then as the stress passes, the growth continues again. But there's a line left in the tooth that represents the stress episode."

Because teeth only grow during childhood, scientists can put a general age to when the stress happened. These signatures of bodily stress remain in adult teeth.

"We have shown that in the last century of the city there is a growing problem of some sort. We get more and more indications showing up in adult teeth," he said.

Teotihuacán's Demise

The largest unanswered questions about Teotihuacán concern its demise. Why, for example, was the city largely abandoned around A.D. 650?

The recent excavations are revealing new bits of information that help piece together an answer.

"We don't know exactly what happened at the final stage, but we know certainly the city was destroyed by man, not by natural disaster," Sugiyama said.

Researchers are uncertain whether insiders or outsiders caused the destruction, Sugiyama said, but they do know that the instrument was fire, particularly on Teotihuacán's monuments.

The archaeologist says an invading army could have set fires to the monuments as a signature of their conquest.

Spence, however, says the evidence suggests to him the fires were set during an internal revolt.

According to his theory, the deteriorating health of the city's poor was likely exacerbated by a drought or a disruption to the food supply. This spurred a revolution against the ruling elite and their symbols of power—temples, pyramids, and palaces.

"The destruction seems to have skipped the vast majority of the city and focused on the elite and punished the elite. That suggests a revolt to me," he said.


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To: VadeRetro
Not arguing here, just trying to add more information. The pyramids at Caral, Peru date to about 2,700 B.C. I think the great pyramid at the Olmec ceremonial center at La Venta dates to about 1,500 B.C.

Archaeologists pretty generally agree the Olmecs were the foundational society for other Mesoamerican cultures including Teotihuacan and the Maya. There are definite proofs of Mayan contact with Teotihuacan. Contacts from Mesoamerica to places further south in Peru, etc. seem a given to me but I don't have any links.

Someone brought up the Roman arch. It's hard to know all the construction techniques of the Olmecs because they built mostly out of wood which hasn't survived. The Maya used the corbel-vaulted arch instead of a keystone arch, which allowed them to build solid-roofed buildings and burial chambers. Some scholars speculate there was nearly continuous evolution of the Olmec into the Mayan culture. There's still a whole lot of diggin' left to do down there.

21 posted on 10/26/2005 2:51:16 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx; VadeRetro
Lost Civilization Caral, Peru
22 posted on 10/26/2005 3:43:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
the pyramid was constructed in seven stages, each stage an enlargement of the last

The description leaves something to the imagination. How, for example, did they support the top level while they built the larger levels below?

23 posted on 10/26/2005 3:49:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: blam; Bernard Marx
Live and learn. Never heard of Caral before.
24 posted on 10/26/2005 4:26:59 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RightWhale
[the pyramid was constructed in seven stages, each stage an enlargement of the last]

How, for example, did they support the top level while they built the larger levels below?

Hah! You simply ASSUME it was a right-side-up pyramid. (Good catch!)

25 posted on 10/26/2005 4:29:58 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RightWhale
"The description leaves something to the imagination. How, for example, did they support the top level while they built the larger levels below?"

Just visualize it as a very thick coat of paint each time. (And, they began painting at the bottom.)

26 posted on 10/26/2005 4:36:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: RightWhale

They built the new ones on top of the old ones, like Russian nesting dolls, leaving the old ones intact.


27 posted on 10/27/2005 8:11:10 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Bernard Marx

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/sites/meso_america/la_venta.html

"La Venta was inhabited by people of the Olmec Culture from around 800 BC to about 400 BC after which the site seems to have been abandoned."


28 posted on 10/27/2005 9:57:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam; Bernard Marx; VadeRetro

A pic of the largest of the Caral "pyramids" -- looks more like the oppida of the Celts (adapted, natural hillocks):

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/images/perupiramidemayor.jpg


29 posted on 10/27/2005 10:01:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Southack
Pyramid building is stacking stones, not rocket science...but a 3 sided pyramid is stronger and easier to build...yet the ancient societies built only 4 sided pyramids...an oddity.

The angles are easier to get right on a four-sided pyamid, both on the pyramid as a whole and on the uniform building-blocks you'll need.

30 posted on 10/27/2005 10:49:54 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: SunkenCiv
"La Venta was inhabited by people of the Olmec Culture from around 800 BC to about 400 BC after which the site seems to have been abandoned."

I was posting from memory. La Venta was Intermediate Olmec and new radiocarbon data push the date back about 200 years to 1,000 B.C. ("The Olmec World, Ritual and Rulership," Page 12.

31 posted on 10/28/2005 5:57:12 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx; SunkenCiv
"I was posting from memory. La Venta was Intermediate Olmec and new radiocarbon data push the date back about 200 years to 1,000 B.C. ("The Olmec World, Ritual and Rulership," Page 12."

Something I read this year said they were thinking even further back, 1400BC. That early date starts to conflict with the Shang Chinese theory though.

32 posted on 10/28/2005 7:46:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
My sources say there were settlements near La Venta as early as 2,200 B.C. They occurred in numerous spots along the Rio Bari. They call this the Pre Olmec period because these villages lacked monumental art, architecture, cultural and religious institutions associated with the Olmec.

The Initial Olmec Period is shown as 1,200-900 B.C. with its capital at San Lorenzo, which experienced cultural collapse around 900. There were "outrigger" settlements at places like La Venta, Laguna de los Cerros and maybe Tres Zapotes at that time. The same researchers say La Venta began to flourish around 1,000 B.C. Some believe its' influence continued to as late as 400 or 300.

What they call the Terminal Olmec and Epi-Olmec period ran from about 600 B.C. to A.D. 1. They say: "True Olmec culture drew to a close by 300 B.C., but a derived, epigonal culture survived north of the Tuxtla Mountains at Tres Zapotes...Ironically, although Tres Zapotes was the first Olmec site known, the nature of its Olmec occupation remains unresolved."

By reading several authors with varying points of view, it seems clear to me that what is called "Olmec" is subject to a lot of interpretation. Much evidence has either been destroyed or is yet undiscovered. My impression is that the archaeology to date has been pretty haphazard, probably due to economics. But the wet climate has also taken a big toll because much Olmec art and architecture were made of now-rotted wood. Usable stone was scarce in the La Venta region.

33 posted on 10/28/2005 8:49:31 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: blam
:')

[emphasis added]
Olmec Indians: 1200BC- 600AD
Crystalinks
Many early scholars were reluctant to believe that a society as sophisticated as the Olmec could have developed in the tropical habitat of the Gulf coast, and some hypothesized that the Olmec had originally migrated from elsewhere... radiocarbon dates inform us that La Venta and San Lorenzo were inhabited as early as 1700 B.C., by peoples who were the direct ancestors to the Gulf coast. They were corn farmers who supplemented their diets with fishing and hunting. Linguists suggest that they spoke a language related to the Mixe and Zoque languages of today... At La Venta we can see that after 900 B.C. such platform mounds were arranged around large plaza areas and include a new type of architecture, a tall pyramid mound. An important feature at Olmec centers was their buried network of stone "drain" lines -- long U-shaped rectangular blocks of basalt laid end to end and covered with capstones. The new San Lorenzo research suggests those systems were actually aqueducts used to provide drinking water to the different areas of the settlement. Some of the aqueduct stones, such as San Lorenzo Monument 52, were also monuments, indicating that the aqueduct system had a sacred character as well.
The Olmec and the Shang
by Claire Liu
tr. by Robert Taylor
Last year, in a book entitled Origin of the Olmec Civilization, Professor Mike Xu, a Chinese who teaches in the foreign languages department at the University of Central Oklahoma, proposed a hypothesis which aroused a storm of controversy in archeological circles. In Xu's view, the first complex culture in Mesoamerica may have come into existence with the help of a group of Chinese who fled across the seas as refugees at the end of the Shang dynasty. The Olmec civilization arose around 1200 BC, which coincides with the time when King Wu of Zhou attacked and defeated King Zhou, the last Shang ruler, bringing his dynasty to a close.

34 posted on 10/28/2005 9:05:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: pabianice
I dunno... 650 AD is a long time after the gate was buried at Giza. That seems like quite a while for an uprising to develop.
35 posted on 10/28/2005 9:13:27 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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the second link (at least) is dead, but here's a facsimile:

http://www.sinorama.com.tw/en/8605/605006e1.html

from this story:
http://www.magazine.tcu.edu/articles/1999-04-AC-02.asp

some glyphs in common:
http://www.magazine.tcu.edu/images/1999-04/charact.gif


36 posted on 10/28/2005 9:24:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Bernard Marx; SunkenCiv
"By reading several authors with varying points of view, it seems clear to me that what is called "Olmec" is subject to a lot of interpretation."

I agree.

Statues found in Olmec sites include all three of the racial groups.

Afrocentrist Dr Clyde Winters has a unique view of the Olmecs: Nubians And Olmecs

37 posted on 10/28/2005 11:22:17 AM PDT by blam
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To: Vicomte13
She doesn't have eyes like Geroge Soros, does she?


38 posted on 10/28/2005 3:25:56 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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39 posted on 07/07/2013 7:12:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: blam
According to his theory, ...

"...The destruction seems to have skipped the vast majority of the city and focused on the elite and punished the elite. That suggests a revolt to me," he said.

The more things change the more they stay the same...

40 posted on 07/07/2013 7:16:28 AM PDT by EBH (Democracy is the language of dictators.)
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