Posted on 10/27/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by Coleus
Ryan Miner, 19, of Hagerstown, Md., was sanctioned by Duquesne after posting his view in The Facebook, an online directory that is not related to the university.
Miner opposed an effort by other students to form a Gay-Straight Alliance group, an issue that is still being debated by the university.
"I believe as a student that my First Amendment rights in the Constitution were subverted and attacked," said Miner.
After Miner's comments appeared online, some students complained to the school.
After a hearing, the Office of Judicial Affairs found Miner guilty of violating the University Code, which prohibits harassment or discrimination based on sexual orientation, among other groups.
A 10-page paper was assigned as punishment. Miner said he refuses to write it and will file an appeal.
Write a paper stating 'homos are sick' for ten pages. Single spaced!
Office of Judicial Affairs (Dubuque University) at this address (from that article)...
http://www.studentlife.duq.edu/depJA.html
Dubuque has no place as a Catholic university organizing or hosting any such "Gay-Straight Alliance" group or otherwise interests, particularly and especially since the issue of homosexuality is defined as it is within Catholicism (and the Bible).
Also, the student's comments were written outside of the school's academic influence -- how the school is intruding into this person's actions given that important issue is beyond me (unless there was some sort of "academic dishonesty" involved as to the guy's character but I don't see from the article that there was, just that the school disagrees with the guy's choice of words).
"Sub-human" as expression seems like the age-appropriate language of someone trying to express civilized dismissal of entirely unacceptable behavior. The guy isn't a forty year old doctorate, he's an undergraduate young adult using words available to his level of knowledge...I don't find it as offensive as the school's alleging it is when considering the writer's age and academic level, nor given the non-academic venue on which the expression was made.
For what it's worth, all things considered, I agree that the fellow, the student, has been wronged and that the school is working entirely outside it's scope of responsibility, AND is otherwise also engaged in actions that do not represent a respect or acknowledgement for the Catholic Catechism.
While the Catechism does not declare homosexual acts to be "sub human," it DOES describe them (in more mature and accurate language) as "intrinsically disorded" and the kid seems to have just used a more casual vernacular to try to express that in his attempt to uphold the Catechism itself.
Dubuque should be chastised for it's attempts to punish and ridicule this guy.
The Vatican should censure Duquesne, demand it apologize to the student and ban Gay-Straight alliances and, should it fail to comply, strip them of their Catholic affiliation.
How can a Catholic school have an Abomination Club? That's what Catholicism says homo play is, an abomination.
Wikipedia is not a valid source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction
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LMAO!
Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit. Half the time they never even cite a source. The moderators there are leftist radical homo-activists.
Sorry, Try again.
Irrational perverted sexual behavior by animals isn't a yardstick to measure rational human behavior.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=031225377X
Here is another source. I haven't read the book but that is the main source that others cite for saying that some animals exibit homosexual behavior.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. College kids write for Wikipedia. It's very slanted in favor of the current PC fashions, but certainly does not have the scholarship of a real encyclopedia.
I agree, animal behavior is not a yardstick to measure human behavior by, but to say that no other animals display homosexual behavior is just wrong.
You notice he uses "homosexuality," the behavior, instead of "homosexuals," the people. I'd say it's "subhuman," in the sense that it's against human dignity.
Another source
In my earlier post, when I maintained that the complainant was sure to lose, it was not an observation on the merits of the plaintiff's case. A couple of friends of mine had somewhat similar problems years ago at a highly-regarded midwest University (and homosexuals were in the mix then, as well). An atorney was hired, the school's case was weak. However, the case law worked in favor of the university at every turn. I do not know about Duquesne, but some of these schools actually have alumni in judgeships. Courts just do not like to rule against mainstream universities. Even if you have the money and the stamina for a fight, it almost never works out against the school. (The Bakke decision is a notable exception, and that was a different type of issue.) More telling was the antitrust price-fixing case against certain schools, who were share financial aid data. The evidence was overwhelmingly against the schools. Nothing happened.
Miner was using an online directory not related to the University, where does the University get off punishing him???? Shouldn't the website/webmaster be responsible for it's content???
Posting an adverse view of specific, and very controversial, conduct on a public forum is not harassment or discrimination. The University Office of Judicial Affairs needs a crash course in the meaning of terms. For openers, this is a very sloppy attempt at legalistic analysis--worthy of the drivel that used to "sparkle" in the opinions of the late Earl Warren.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
To describe dominance displays or bonding activity in animals as "homosexual" is also just wrong.
So called scientists have agendas and see what they want to see and filter observations of animial behavior in order to relate it to and justify human behavior when in fact species specific behavior has no bearing on standards for human behavior
Many species are cannibalistic and/or abandon their young at birth. Does that mean it would be natural and normal for humans to do so also?
If that's the topic, it seems like he could write about how the Church teaches that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. Or he could start here: Top Vatican Cardinal: Gay Marriage is "A Crime Which represents the Destruction of the World"
There must be more to it than that if he's refusing.
"Exclusively Homosexual" Animals Do Not Exist.
Animals in captivity to not exhibit species normative behavior. Do these same species exhibit that behavior in the wild?
Yes, we should hate the sin and love the sinner. But it's the headline and the start of the article that say he used the term about homosexuality. Later in the linked article it says "A complaint was filed against Miner because he used the word "subhuman" when writing about gay people."
In other words, it might probably be better to look at exactly what he wrote rather than take the complainants' word for it. In that regard, I spoke somewhat hastily.
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Thats not my argument. I am not saying 'animals do it, so it must be okay'. I am saying that some animals exibit homosexual behavior.
To describe dominance displays or bonding activity in animals as "homosexual" is also just wrong.
I agree. Question - Would you consider dominance displays or bonding activity among humans to be homosexual? Ex. fraternity pranks, sports hazing, etc...?
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